Exactly. For the same reason, I leave all the doors to my home opened and unlocked. I simply protect my home with a shroud of sarcasm and an acerbic wit.
Thanks for the reply. I had suspected your logic was based in hope, feelings and emotion and I now know that to be true.Yes and your problem with that is what exactly? This country is proof positive immigration is a net positive.
Thanks for the reply. I had suspected your logic was based in hope, feelings and emotion and I now know that to be true.
Thanks for the reply. I had suspected your logic was based in hope, feelings and emotion and I now know that to be true.
Is this a serious response? Which one of us is advocating a wall based on the hope and feeling it will actually stop the flow?
Please point out where I did. I am for securing the border, that's for certain. Any sovereign nation that wishes to remain so would be for controlling who crosses their borders. That's just common sense.Is this a serious response? Which one of us is advocating a wall based on the hope and feeling it will actually stop the flow?
boomerang said:I am still able to choose how to waste my time and this instance is definitely a time waster. I choose to move on.
Plus, it ignores that fact that most illegals came here legally, and have over stayed their visas. How's securing the border going to fix that?
The number of illegal immigrants entering the U.S. annually is at its lowest level in over 20 years. It's a non-issue, especially in the context of much greater domestic problems facing America, such as our crumbling infrastructure, the falling quality of life of the middle class, and the grossly wasteful war on drugs. So anyone attempting to make "increasing border security" a campaign issue is just a demagogue.
2 seconds with Google:I keep hearing that talking point, but it's absurd unless you have some proof to back it up.
Are you claiming that most of those poverty stricken Mexicans who are flocking over the border to pick vegetables and cut lawns are getting visas first?
That doesn't pass the sniff test.
I lump them all together for this argument. Because quite frankly if we fixed our immigration law people wouldnt be flowing over the border like they do now in an illegal manner. Instead it would be orderly and people would come in through a much smaller more controlled area. And thus any argument anybody has for a wall is out the window. And illegals would become citizens instead of hiding in the shadows and creating a 15-20 million underclass that are outside our society.
I keep hearing that talking point, but it's absurd unless you have some proof to back it up.
Are you claiming that most of those poverty stricken Mexicans who are flocking over the border to pick vegetables and cut lawns are getting visas first?
That doesn't pass the sniff test.
The Center has previously estimated that on average there are 700,000850,000 new unauthorized migrants arriving annually by all modes of entry. The estimates reported in this fact sheet imply that in recent years some 1 to 1.5% of foreign nationals entering the country on nonimmigrant visas have overstayed. That would be approximately 250,000 to 350,000 people added to the unauthorized population every year or roughly 35 to 45% of the annual flow.
lol Riiight . . . You said it's impossible, but you never actually said we shouldn't do the impossible.Umm, just where have I made an augment that the US shouldn't secure its borders?
It would help if you debated stuff like this honestly.
My argument is that it's impossible. All you can do is try and slow the inflow.
Unless you get around to building that really big dome that I mentioned earlier.
Mexico's largest industry is remittances, money sent back to Mexico, and Mexican forces have been known to fire on US forces attempting to stop illegals or more likely, drug smugglers. How then do you imagine that "cooperative border task force" working?I have friends who've unknowingly crossed the 49th parallel while camping in the middle of no where and have had a military response to this incursion into your sovereign nation. The tech exists so that tracking is easy and I'd bet in place and very effective at knowing what's going on at any time at any point along the border.
I personally have no stance on the Mexican border but feel that with the above tech and surveillance the Northern border is a complete waste of resources, time, and pretty much anything else you can imagine. The vision of a border from last century and every century before that was great and effective. It was pretty much the only way to do things. Today they're little more than a massive drain on the economy. Mexico is a different situation with illegal migrants but even there from a purely cost benefit analysis what's the benefit to a massive border expenditure? Couldn't that be better used by some kind of cooperative border task force?
+1Exactly. For the same reason, I leave all the doors to my home opened and unlocked. I simply protect my home with a shroud of sarcasm and an acerbic wit.
It's not "most", but it's anywhere from about a third up to half of all illegal immigrants are visa overstays. (this is a somewhat old report, but I would imagine the overall proportions today are at least reasonably similar) Clearly this isn't the easiest thing to measure though.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2006/05/22/modes-of-entry-for-the-unauthorized-migrant-population/
Also, it's important to remember that only about half of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico, and the absolute number of them has been dramatically declining in recent years:
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/11/18/chapter-2-birthplaces-of-u-s-unauthorized-immigrants/
Mexico's largest industry is remittances, money sent back to Mexico.
That's 78% of people that are illegally in this country come through the southern border or the water touching it --- unless they are going all the way around the US and sneaking through Canada.
Doing something about the border should be a priority. I am not advocating for a wall. But there has to be a policy change because whatever we have now is clearly not working.
Do you honestly believe that?
Yeah, I blew that. Remittances to Mexico are way down (almost a third since 2006) and are apparently the tenth largest sector. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2013/11/15/remittances-to-latin-america-recover-but-not-to-mexico/Speaking of being an honesty czar, remittances are not the largest industry in Mexico or anything even remotely close to that, actually. They comprise about 2% of GDP.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mx.html
I have no idea where you get these ridiculous ideas.
It's all the rage. They fly in on Delta to take jobs Americans won't due at below minimum wage. All that running across the border, that's really more of a hobby.I keep hearing that talking point, but it's absurd unless you have some proof to back it up.
Are you claiming that most of those poverty stricken Mexicans who are flocking over the border to pick vegetables and cut lawns are getting visas first?
That doesn't pass the sniff test.
I agree, we should dramatically increase legal immigration and start up guest worker programs.
If we fixed our immigration law to make it more feasible\streamlined for people to become legal immigrants absolutely.
I agree, we should dramatically increase legal immigration and start up guest worker programs.
Umm...in case you hadn't noticed....
There are still millions of Americans out of work. Your solution is to add how many more millions of workers to the force?
lol Riiight . . . You said it's impossible, but you never actually said we shouldn't do the impossible.
Yep, you should certainly be a self-appointed Honesty Czar.