Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BoberFett
They certainly couldn't love them less.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Israel won because the Arabs and the Lebanese love them more now than they did before and will want them to live in peace.
It's quite psychologically interesting how people who believe they are hated manage to act is ways that guarantee it.
I believe they can and are loving them less and less. I believe the radicalization of the Islamic world is accelerating thanks in no small part to the behavior of both Israel and the West.
It's equally interesting to see people who poke at bee's nests act surprised when the bees sting them.
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its amazing you can type and breath at the same time. hezbollah is the terrorist group. if israel were intentionally targeting civilians how many do you think they would kill eh? target a few shelters full of hundreds and well you can save a whole lotta bombs!! you are disengenuous or just ignorant. for the number of bombs isreal has dropped the collateral damage is low. and if they really just wanted to kill civilians they would not have risked their jewish lives by sending ground troops. and as you've seen, they've taken losses instead of simply flattening entire areas.
i'm sick of hearing about people claim hezbollah is "defending" lebanon. theres no way around it, hezbollah destroyed lebanon. a terrorist group with ties to the government and a militia and a stated terrorist objective of genocide. it built up thousands of weapons for targeting civilians and then went on a military strike into another country to provoke war. then it relied on tactics involving civilians as shields, fighting in populated areas, and then complaining so niave fools like you would defend their cowardly tactics. they use the faux news tactic..the right wing radio tactic. claim the mainstream media is severely biased to the left when its not so they can push their own extremist media out under this cover as justification. and thats essentially the tactic of hezbollah. their rockets have no military targets, just civilians. so you are a gullable idiot. worse actually you are a terrorist sympathiser, an apologist for terrorists. a niave fool who thinks rewarding such tactics and ideology encourages peace when it does exactly the opposite. people like you ensure war. you legitimize the terrorists methods.
but their use is a sign that someone is losing an argument.PERSONAL FLAMES WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
Originally posted by: BoberFett
That's just stupid. There are over a billion Muslims in the world, a lot of them average people who are just living their lives, raising their children, doing their jobs. If those people can figure out how to weed out the extremists they'll be in good shape. Many would argue that the US needs to do the same.Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Aisengard
If that happens, there shouldn't be any doubt in anyone's mind that Hezbollah is a cancer on the Middle East, and just really needs to be cut out, like any malignent tumor. Unfortunately, peaceniks around the world will be against this invasive surgery, and will recommend 'alternative medicine' which really, just never works.
I would amend that by surmising that the entire Islamic world is a malignant tumor.
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: BoberFett
That's just stupid. There are over a billion Muslims in the world, a lot of them average people who are just living their lives, raising their children, doing their jobs. If those people can figure out how to weed out the extremists they'll be in good shape. Many would argue that the US needs to do the same.Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Aisengard
If that happens, there shouldn't be any doubt in anyone's mind that Hezbollah is a cancer on the Middle East, and just really needs to be cut out, like any malignent tumor. Unfortunately, peaceniks around the world will be against this invasive surgery, and will recommend 'alternative medicine' which really, just never works.
I would amend that by surmising that the entire Islamic world is a malignant tumor.
Not stupid at all. The Islamic World = The Middle East in particular, and in general areas of the world where the majority of the population are Muslim. The problem is that the extremism has become entrenched in the culture.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BoberFett
They certainly couldn't love them less.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Israel won because the Arabs and the Lebanese love them more now than they did before and will want them to live in peace.
It's quite psychologically interesting how people who believe they are hated manage to act is ways that guarantee it.
I believe they can and are loving them less and less. I believe the radicalization of the Islamic world is accelerating thanks in no small part to the behavior of both Israel and the West.
It's equally interesting to see people who poke at bee's nests act surprised when the bees sting them.
I think it was such people that invented RAID.
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its amazing you can type and breath at the same time. hezbollah is the terrorist group. if israel were intentionally targeting civilians how many do you think they would kill eh? target a few shelters full of hundreds and well you can save a whole lotta bombs!! you are disengenuous or just ignorant. for the number of bombs isreal has dropped the collateral damage is low. and if they really just wanted to kill civilians they would not have risked their jewish lives by sending ground troops. and as you've seen, they've taken losses instead of simply flattening entire areas.
i'm sick of hearing about people claim hezbollah is "defending" lebanon. theres no way around it, hezbollah destroyed lebanon. a terrorist group with ties to the government and a militia and a stated terrorist objective of genocide. it built up thousands of weapons for targeting civilians and then went on a military strike into another country to provoke war. then it relied on tactics involving civilians as shields, fighting in populated areas, and then complaining so niave fools like you would defend their cowardly tactics. they use the faux news tactic..the right wing radio tactic. claim the mainstream media is severely biased to the left when its not so they can push their own extremist media out under this cover as justification. and thats essentially the tactic of hezbollah. their rockets have no military targets, just civilians. so you are a gullable idiot. worse actually you are a terrorist sympathiser, an apologist for terrorists. a niave fool who thinks rewarding such tactics and ideology encourages peace when it does exactly the opposite. people like you ensure war. you legitimize the terrorists methods.
You must think I'm as stupid as the rest of the propagandized masses here in America. The question has nothing to do with how many civilians Israel could kill, the question is why is Israel killing any Lebanese civilians at all? Why is Israel destroying Lebanon's civilian infrastructure at all?
I'm no gullible idiot. You're a propagandist with an Israeli bias so large you refuse to admit that slaughtering civilians by either side is wrong. Israel instigated and escalated the current conflict. Israel killed many more civilians, destroyed far more civilian infrastructure, and is continuing to get its last shots in while a cease fire that wildly favors Israel is purpotedly in the works.
How can you refer to Hezbollah as a terrorist organization and not Israel when Israel's attacks against civilians and civilian targets are far more egregious than Hezbollah's?
And oh, BTW,but their use is a sign that someone is losing an argument.PERSONAL FLAMES WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
Originally posted by: BBondYou pathetic gullible idiots lapping up every word Israel says are too far gone to be reasoned with
yes you did! go figure eh?
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BoberFett
They certainly couldn't love them less.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Israel won because the Arabs and the Lebanese love them more now than they did before and will want them to live in peace.
It's quite psychologically interesting how people who believe they are hated manage to act is ways that guarantee it.
I believe they can and are loving them less and less. I believe the radicalization of the Islamic world is accelerating thanks in no small part to the behavior of both Israel and the West.
It's equally interesting to see people who poke at bee's nests act surprised when the bees sting them.
I think it was such people that invented RAID.
What, like Air RAID?
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its amazing you can type and breath at the same time. hezbollah is the terrorist group. if israel were intentionally targeting civilians how many do you think they would kill eh? target a few shelters full of hundreds and well you can save a whole lotta bombs!! you are disengenuous or just ignorant. for the number of bombs isreal has dropped the collateral damage is low. and if they really just wanted to kill civilians they would not have risked their jewish lives by sending ground troops. and as you've seen, they've taken losses instead of simply flattening entire areas.
i'm sick of hearing about people claim hezbollah is "defending" lebanon. theres no way around it, hezbollah destroyed lebanon. a terrorist group with ties to the government and a militia and a stated terrorist objective of genocide. it built up thousands of weapons for targeting civilians and then went on a military strike into another country to provoke war. then it relied on tactics involving civilians as shields, fighting in populated areas, and then complaining so niave fools like you would defend their cowardly tactics. they use the faux news tactic..the right wing radio tactic. claim the mainstream media is severely biased to the left when its not so they can push their own extremist media out under this cover as justification. and thats essentially the tactic of hezbollah. their rockets have no military targets, just civilians. so you are a gullable idiot. worse actually you are a terrorist sympathiser, an apologist for terrorists. a niave fool who thinks rewarding such tactics and ideology encourages peace when it does exactly the opposite. people like you ensure war. you legitimize the terrorists methods.
You must think I'm as stupid as the rest of the propagandized masses here in America. The question has nothing to do with how many civilians Israel could kill, the question is why is Israel killing any Lebanese civilians at all? Why is Israel destroying Lebanon's civilian infrastructure at all?
I'm no gullible idiot. You're a propagandist with an Israeli bias so large you refuse to admit that slaughtering civilians by either side is wrong. Israel instigated and escalated the current conflict. Israel killed many more civilians, destroyed far more civilian infrastructure, and is continuing to get its last shots in while a cease fire that wildly favors Israel is purpotedly in the works.
How can you refer to Hezbollah as a terrorist organization and not Israel when Israel's attacks against civilians and civilian targets are far more egregious than Hezbollah's?
you are stupid. you think israel has some magical jewish fairy weapons that can avoid all civilian death apparently. sorry, ugly reality is what hezbollah relies on when it uses human shields. even they realize this.
slaughtering civilians is wrong. but it is not always avoidable. and body count is not a sign of moral superiority or righteousness. else hitler would have been morally superior to the us and uk based on his massive and "disproportionate" civilian losses.
simple logic would have told you if israel really had the same mindset as hezbollah the body count would have been enormous by now.
and of course it should favor isreal. should a un resolution favor or be even handed with terrorist groups? thats a crock.
Originally posted by: BBondAnd oh, BTW,but their use is a sign that someone is losing an argument.PERSONAL FLAMES WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
you know why i started with personal attacks? lets see, who started first.
Originally posted by: BBondYou pathetic gullible idiots lapping up every word Israel says are too far gone to be reasoned with
yes you did! go figure eh?
Read back to the post I quoted then tell me who used those words first, genius.
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you are stupid. you think israel has some magical jewish fairy weapons that can avoid all civilian death apparently. sorry, ugly reality is what hezbollah relies on when it uses human shields. even they realize this.
slaughtering civilians is wrong. but it is not always avoidable. and body count is not a sign of moral superiority or righteousness. else hitler would have been morally superior to the us and uk based on his massive and "disproportionate" civilian losses.
simple logic would have told you if israel really had the same mindset as hezbollah the body count would have been enormous by now.
and of course it should favor isreal. should a un resolution favor or be even handed with terrorist groups? thats a crock.
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you are stupid. you think israel has some magical jewish fairy weapons that can avoid all civilian death apparently. sorry, ugly reality is what hezbollah relies on when it uses human shields. even they realize this.
slaughtering civilians is wrong. but it is not always avoidable. and body count is not a sign of moral superiority or righteousness. else hitler would have been morally superior to the us and uk based on his massive and "disproportionate" civilian losses.
simple logic would have told you if israel really had the same mindset as hezbollah the body count would have been enormous by now.
and of course it should favor isreal. should a un resolution favor or be even handed with terrorist groups? thats a crock.
No, we know Israel has no magic fairy weapons. But they did just attack a convoy of refugees that they knew was leaving a Christian town in southern Lebanon. That's right, the Israeli military gave the convoy permission to leave the area and then when the cars were on the open road, they attacked.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060811/D8JEGAS00.html
It's not a lack of magic fairy weapons that Israel suffers from, it's a lack of caring whether they hit a militant or an innocent. Which is why there is almost a 10 to 1 ratio of innocents to militants killed so far.
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you are stupid. you think israel has some magical jewish fairy weapons that can avoid all civilian death apparently. sorry, ugly reality is what hezbollah relies on when it uses human shields. even they realize this.
slaughtering civilians is wrong. but it is not always avoidable. and body count is not a sign of moral superiority or righteousness. else hitler would have been morally superior to the us and uk based on his massive and "disproportionate" civilian losses.
simple logic would have told you if israel really had the same mindset as hezbollah the body count would have been enormous by now.
and of course it should favor isreal. should a un resolution favor or be even handed with terrorist groups? thats a crock.
No, we know Israel has no magic fairy weapons. But they did just attack a convoy of refugees that they knew was leaving a Christian town in southern Lebanon. That's right, the Israeli military gave the convoy permission to leave the area and then when the cars were on the open road, they attacked.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060811/D8JEGAS00.html
It's not a lack of magic fairy weapons that Israel suffers from, it's a lack of caring whether they hit a militant or an innocent. Which is why there is almost a 10 to 1 ratio of innocents to militants killed so far.
There's a 1:2 ratio.
BTW I believe thay many civilians that were killed were actually Hezbullah members. Obviously they're still counted as "civilians" for propoganda.
The 32-day struggle has claimed nearly 900 lives - including at least 763 in Lebanon and 130 in Israel.
Hezbollah generally takes care of its own dead and wounded, sending only the worst of the wounded for treatment at hospitals, so there is no way to independently determine its casualties. The group has acknowledged 65 deaths in its ranks, while Israel says at least 200 guerrillas have been killed.
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you are stupid. you think israel has some magical jewish fairy weapons that can avoid all civilian death apparently. sorry, ugly reality is what hezbollah relies on when it uses human shields. even they realize this.
slaughtering civilians is wrong. but it is not always avoidable. and body count is not a sign of moral superiority or righteousness. else hitler would have been morally superior to the us and uk based on his massive and "disproportionate" civilian losses.
simple logic would have told you if israel really had the same mindset as hezbollah the body count would have been enormous by now.
and of course it should favor isreal. should a un resolution favor or be even handed with terrorist groups? thats a crock.
No, we know Israel has no magic fairy weapons. But they did just attack a convoy of refugees that they knew was leaving a Christian town in southern Lebanon. That's right, the Israeli military gave the convoy permission to leave the area and then when the cars were on the open road, they attacked.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060811/D8JEGAS00.html
It's not a lack of magic fairy weapons that Israel suffers from, it's a lack of caring whether they hit a militant or an innocent. Which is why there is almost a 10 to 1 ratio of innocents to militants killed so far.
There's a 1:2 ratio.
BTW I believe thay many civilians that were killed were actually Hezbullah members. Obviously they're still counted as "civilians" for propoganda.
Even Israel doesn't claim 2 to 1. They just dropped leaflets on Lebanon with the names of just over 100 militants they say they have killed. There are over 750 known dead Lebanese. Did you fail math?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF6FKG0.html
The 32-day struggle has claimed nearly 900 lives - including at least 763 in Lebanon and 130 in Israel.
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you are stupid. you think israel has some magical jewish fairy weapons that can avoid all civilian death apparently. sorry, ugly reality is what hezbollah relies on when it uses human shields. even they realize this.
slaughtering civilians is wrong. but it is not always avoidable. and body count is not a sign of moral superiority or righteousness. else hitler would have been morally superior to the us and uk based on his massive and "disproportionate" civilian losses.
simple logic would have told you if israel really had the same mindset as hezbollah the body count would have been enormous by now.
and of course it should favor isreal. should a un resolution favor or be even handed with terrorist groups? thats a crock.
No, we know Israel has no magic fairy weapons. But they did just attack a convoy of refugees that they knew was leaving a Christian town in southern Lebanon. That's right, the Israeli military gave the convoy permission to leave the area and then when the cars were on the open road, they attacked.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060811/D8JEGAS00.html
It's not a lack of magic fairy weapons that Israel suffers from, it's a lack of caring whether they hit a militant or an innocent. Which is why there is almost a 10 to 1 ratio of innocents to militants killed so far.
There's a 1:2 ratio.
BTW I believe thay many civilians that were killed were actually Hezbullah members. Obviously they're still counted as "civilians" for propoganda.
Even Israel doesn't claim 2 to 1. They just dropped leaflets on Lebanon with the names of just over 100 militants they say they have killed. There are over 750 known dead Lebanese. Did you fail math?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF6FKG0.html
The 32-day struggle has claimed nearly 900 lives - including at least 763 in Lebanon and 130 in Israel.
Israel claims they've killed around 550 Hezbulah members,
they've verified names for more than 300.
The group has acknowledged 65 deaths in its ranks, while Israel says at least 200 guerrillas have been killed.
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you are stupid. you think israel has some magical jewish fairy weapons that can avoid all civilian death apparently. sorry, ugly reality is what hezbollah relies on when it uses human shields. even they realize this.
slaughtering civilians is wrong. but it is not always avoidable. and body count is not a sign of moral superiority or righteousness. else hitler would have been morally superior to the us and uk based on his massive and "disproportionate" civilian losses.
simple logic would have told you if israel really had the same mindset as hezbollah the body count would have been enormous by now.
and of course it should favor isreal. should a un resolution favor or be even handed with terrorist groups? thats a crock.
No, we know Israel has no magic fairy weapons. But they did just attack a convoy of refugees that they knew was leaving a Christian town in southern Lebanon. That's right, the Israeli military gave the convoy permission to leave the area and then when the cars were on the open road, they attacked.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060811/D8JEGAS00.html
It's not a lack of magic fairy weapons that Israel suffers from, it's a lack of caring whether they hit a militant or an innocent. Which is why there is almost a 10 to 1 ratio of innocents to militants killed so far.
There's a 1:2 ratio.
BTW I believe thay many civilians that were killed were actually Hezbullah members. Obviously they're still counted as "civilians" for propoganda.
Even Israel doesn't claim 2 to 1. They just dropped leaflets on Lebanon with the names of just over 100 militants they say they have killed. There are over 750 known dead Lebanese. Did you fail math?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF6FKG0.html
The 32-day struggle has claimed nearly 900 lives - including at least 763 in Lebanon and 130 in Israel.
Israel claims they've killed around 550 Hezbulah members,
they've verified names for more than 300.
Nope, just over 200.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF2UA00.html
The group has acknowledged 65 deaths in its ranks, while Israel says at least 200 guerrillas have been killed.
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you are stupid. you think israel has some magical jewish fairy weapons that can avoid all civilian death apparently. sorry, ugly reality is what hezbollah relies on when it uses human shields. even they realize this.
slaughtering civilians is wrong. but it is not always avoidable. and body count is not a sign of moral superiority or righteousness. else hitler would have been morally superior to the us and uk based on his massive and "disproportionate" civilian losses.
simple logic would have told you if israel really had the same mindset as hezbollah the body count would have been enormous by now.
and of course it should favor isreal. should a un resolution favor or be even handed with terrorist groups? thats a crock.
No, we know Israel has no magic fairy weapons. But they did just attack a convoy of refugees that they knew was leaving a Christian town in southern Lebanon. That's right, the Israeli military gave the convoy permission to leave the area and then when the cars were on the open road, they attacked.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060811/D8JEGAS00.html
It's not a lack of magic fairy weapons that Israel suffers from, it's a lack of caring whether they hit a militant or an innocent. Which is why there is almost a 10 to 1 ratio of innocents to militants killed so far.
There's a 1:2 ratio.
BTW I believe thay many civilians that were killed were actually Hezbullah members. Obviously they're still counted as "civilians" for propoganda.
Even Israel doesn't claim 2 to 1. They just dropped leaflets on Lebanon with the names of just over 100 militants they say they have killed. There are over 750 known dead Lebanese. Did you fail math?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF6FKG0.html
The 32-day struggle has claimed nearly 900 lives - including at least 763 in Lebanon and 130 in Israel.
Israel claims they've killed around 550 Hezbulah members,
they've verified names for more than 300.
Nope, just over 200.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF2UA00.html
The group has acknowledged 65 deaths in its ranks, while Israel says at least 200 guerrillas have been killed.
I don't know where that site gets its info, but that info is really outdated.
Israel claimed 400 last weekend, and said it had names for around 275. The numbers have been uped to 550 this week.
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you are stupid. you think israel has some magical jewish fairy weapons that can avoid all civilian death apparently. sorry, ugly reality is what hezbollah relies on when it uses human shields. even they realize this.
slaughtering civilians is wrong. but it is not always avoidable. and body count is not a sign of moral superiority or righteousness. else hitler would have been morally superior to the us and uk based on his massive and "disproportionate" civilian losses.
simple logic would have told you if israel really had the same mindset as hezbollah the body count would have been enormous by now.
and of course it should favor isreal. should a un resolution favor or be even handed with terrorist groups? thats a crock.
No, we know Israel has no magic fairy weapons. But they did just attack a convoy of refugees that they knew was leaving a Christian town in southern Lebanon. That's right, the Israeli military gave the convoy permission to leave the area and then when the cars were on the open road, they attacked.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060811/D8JEGAS00.html
It's not a lack of magic fairy weapons that Israel suffers from, it's a lack of caring whether they hit a militant or an innocent. Which is why there is almost a 10 to 1 ratio of innocents to militants killed so far.
There's a 1:2 ratio.
BTW I believe thay many civilians that were killed were actually Hezbullah members. Obviously they're still counted as "civilians" for propoganda.
Even Israel doesn't claim 2 to 1. They just dropped leaflets on Lebanon with the names of just over 100 militants they say they have killed. There are over 750 known dead Lebanese. Did you fail math?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF6FKG0.html
The 32-day struggle has claimed nearly 900 lives - including at least 763 in Lebanon and 130 in Israel.
Israel claims they've killed around 550 Hezbulah members,
they've verified names for more than 300.
Nope, just over 200.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF2UA00.html
The group has acknowledged 65 deaths in its ranks, while Israel says at least 200 guerrillas have been killed.
I don't know where that site gets its info, but that info is really outdated.
Israel claimed 400 last weekend, and said it had names for around 275. The numbers have been uped to 550 this week.
Got a link? I know the list they dropped on Lebanon mid-week this week had just over 100 'verified' names. Interesting that they wouldn't have put more names on the list if they had them.
Major General Udi Adam, head of the Israeli northern command, said some Israeli forces had reached as far as the Litani river in Lebanon. He said at least 500 Hizbollah fighters had been killed so far in the conflict. Hizbollah has announced fewer than 100 deaths.
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you are stupid. you think israel has some magical jewish fairy weapons that can avoid all civilian death apparently. sorry, ugly reality is what hezbollah relies on when it uses human shields. even they realize this.
slaughtering civilians is wrong. but it is not always avoidable. and body count is not a sign of moral superiority or righteousness. else hitler would have been morally superior to the us and uk based on his massive and "disproportionate" civilian losses.
simple logic would have told you if israel really had the same mindset as hezbollah the body count would have been enormous by now.
and of course it should favor isreal. should a un resolution favor or be even handed with terrorist groups? thats a crock.
No, we know Israel has no magic fairy weapons. But they did just attack a convoy of refugees that they knew was leaving a Christian town in southern Lebanon. That's right, the Israeli military gave the convoy permission to leave the area and then when the cars were on the open road, they attacked.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060811/D8JEGAS00.html
It's not a lack of magic fairy weapons that Israel suffers from, it's a lack of caring whether they hit a militant or an innocent. Which is why there is almost a 10 to 1 ratio of innocents to militants killed so far.
There's a 1:2 ratio.
BTW I believe thay many civilians that were killed were actually Hezbullah members. Obviously they're still counted as "civilians" for propoganda.
Even Israel doesn't claim 2 to 1. They just dropped leaflets on Lebanon with the names of just over 100 militants they say they have killed. There are over 750 known dead Lebanese. Did you fail math?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF6FKG0.html
The 32-day struggle has claimed nearly 900 lives - including at least 763 in Lebanon and 130 in Israel.
Israel claims they've killed around 550 Hezbulah members,
they've verified names for more than 300.
Nope, just over 200.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF2UA00.html
The group has acknowledged 65 deaths in its ranks, while Israel says at least 200 guerrillas have been killed.
I don't know where that site gets its info, but that info is really outdated.
Israel claimed 400 last weekend, and said it had names for around 275. The numbers have been uped to 550 this week.
Got a link? I know the list they dropped on Lebanon mid-week this week had just over 100 'verified' names. Interesting that they wouldn't have put more names on the list if they had them.
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlene...sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage3
Third page.
Major General Udi Adam, head of the Israeli northern command, said some Israeli forces had reached as far as the Litani river in Lebanon. He said at least 500 Hizbollah fighters had been killed so far in the conflict. Hizbollah has announced fewer than 100 deaths.
Major General Udi Adam, head of the Israeli northern command, said some Israeli forces had reached as far as the Litani river in Lebanon. He said at least 500 Hizbollah fighters had been killed so far in the conflict. Hizbollah has announced fewer than 100 deaths.
At least 1,061 people in Lebanon and 135 Israelis have been killed in the war that began after Hizbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on July 12.
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you are stupid. you think israel has some magical jewish fairy weapons that can avoid all civilian death apparently. sorry, ugly reality is what hezbollah relies on when it uses human shields. even they realize this.
slaughtering civilians is wrong. but it is not always avoidable. and body count is not a sign of moral superiority or righteousness. else hitler would have been morally superior to the us and uk based on his massive and "disproportionate" civilian losses.
simple logic would have told you if israel really had the same mindset as hezbollah the body count would have been enormous by now.
and of course it should favor isreal. should a un resolution favor or be even handed with terrorist groups? thats a crock.
No, we know Israel has no magic fairy weapons. But they did just attack a convoy of refugees that they knew was leaving a Christian town in southern Lebanon. That's right, the Israeli military gave the convoy permission to leave the area and then when the cars were on the open road, they attacked.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060811/D8JEGAS00.html
It's not a lack of magic fairy weapons that Israel suffers from, it's a lack of caring whether they hit a militant or an innocent. Which is why there is almost a 10 to 1 ratio of innocents to militants killed so far.
There's a 1:2 ratio.
BTW I believe thay many civilians that were killed were actually Hezbullah members. Obviously they're still counted as "civilians" for propoganda.
Even Israel doesn't claim 2 to 1. They just dropped leaflets on Lebanon with the names of just over 100 militants they say they have killed. There are over 750 known dead Lebanese. Did you fail math?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF6FKG0.html
The 32-day struggle has claimed nearly 900 lives - including at least 763 in Lebanon and 130 in Israel.
Israel claims they've killed around 550 Hezbulah members,
they've verified names for more than 300.
Nope, just over 200.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JF2UA00.html
The group has acknowledged 65 deaths in its ranks, while Israel says at least 200 guerrillas have been killed.
I don't know where that site gets its info, but that info is really outdated.
Israel claimed 400 last weekend, and said it had names for around 275. The numbers have been uped to 550 this week.
Got a link? I know the list they dropped on Lebanon mid-week this week had just over 100 'verified' names. Interesting that they wouldn't have put more names on the list if they had them.
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlene...sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage3
Third page.
Major General Udi Adam, head of the Israeli northern command, said some Israeli forces had reached as far as the Litani river in Lebanon. He said at least 500 Hizbollah fighters had been killed so far in the conflict. Hizbollah has announced fewer than 100 deaths.
No it doesn't.
Major General Udi Adam, head of the Israeli northern command, said some Israeli forces had reached as far as the Litani river in Lebanon. He said at least 500 Hizbollah fighters had been killed so far in the conflict. Hizbollah has announced fewer than 100 deaths.
At least 1,061 people in Lebanon and 135 Israelis have been killed in the war that began after Hizbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on July 12.
It says an Israeli General claims 500+, but doesn't provide any evidence. It also says Hizbollah claims fewer than 100. It also ups the overall death toll in Lebanon to 1000+. Which means even if the 275 verified names is true, and I doubt it, you're looking at 3:1 innocent to militant. If you take Hizbollah 's number, it's more then 10:1. I'd guess it's somewhere in the middle. That's still too high if this war is truly about Hizbollah.
JERUSALEM, Aug. 12 ? Israel?s move to greatly increase its ground forces in Lebanon a day before it is expected to accept a cease-fire has two goals: to damage Hezbollah as much as possible and to conclude the conflict with something that could be called a victory for an Israeli government under domestic pressure.
Having begun the war by proclaiming that the aim was the destruction and disarmament of Hezbollah, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert will be able to claim only that Hezbollah is badly hurt and, with the help of international troops, effectively restrained ? even without the robust new international force or disarming of the militia that Israel initially demanded.
In this last army push, which many here regard as too late to make a big difference, Mr. Olmert wants to ensure that the Iranian-backed militia and its stockpiles are at least cleared out of southern Lebanon.
The hope is that inhabitants of the north will be able to return home or emerge from bomb shelters without the daily fear of rocket fire.
The Israeli cabinet is scheduled to meet Sunday to discuss a United Nations Security Council resolution calling for a cease-fire. But the Israeli Army will be pressing forward at least until Monday, if not beyond, trying to destroy Hezbollah rockets and assets. That is a task that Israel does not believe the Lebanese Army, even accompanied by an expanded United Nations force, will dare to do.
Mr. Olmert and his defense minister, Amir Peretz, have been wounded by the perception that they mishandled the war and were overly reluctant to commit sizable ground forces when there was enough time to accomplish the government?s stated goals. The life of the government is likely to have been shortened.
The debate in Israel has not been over the war?s legitimacy ? that is widely accepted. The attacks on the government have been over its handling of the assault.
In a familiar pattern of backbiting ? the best indication that the war has not gone well ? the army leadership is complaining that the politicians did not let the military do its job, and the politicians are complaining that the army promised that the task could be accomplished in a week or two and largely with air power.
As usual in Israel, the army is more popular than the politicians, and it is bound to win the argument. But the army?s performance against Hezbollah will lead to considerable introspection and criticism about failures in strategic analysis, intelligence, training and preparedness, especially among the reserves.
There will also be sharp criticism of governmental preparedness, with the image of many thousands of poorer Israelis huddling for a month in decrepit bomb shelters with inadequate public services and supplies.
Mr. Olmert, who leads the centrist Kadima Party, is going to face a postwar onslaught from the right, in particular from Benjamin Netanyahu. Mr. Netanyahu, the Likud Party leader, favored a major military operation to destroy what he called ?an Iranian army division? fighting in ?a war conceived, organized, trained and equipped by Iran, with Iran?s goal of destroying Israel and its fantasy ideology of building a once-glorious Muslim empire in which we are merely the first pit stop.?
There is more of this talk to come, and from another rival on the right: Avigdor Lieberman, who is already very popular among the Russians who make up a large number of the Jewish Israelis living in the north, many of whom were too poor to seek shelter in southern towns.
Mr. Olmert?s plan to extend the policy of unilateralism by removing up to 70,000 Israeli settlers from the West Bank, behind the separation barrier, also appears moribund. The rocket wars have made the barrier look flimsy, and one year after Ariel Sharon and Mr. Olmert pulled 9,000 Israeli settlers out of Gaza unilaterally, many onetime supporters of the plan say that critics like Mr. Netanyahu appear to have been correct ? that the disengagement provided little security or stability.
The plan to hand over more territory in the West Bank to a Hamas-led Palestinian Authority that could use more sophisticated rockets to hit Tel Aviv is now being dismissed as folly by many in the center, not just on the right ? an unexpected gift to the settler movement.
?A year after the withdrawal of Gaza, there is a huge ?I told you so? hanging in the air, and it?s hard to argue with, when Qassams are still flying out of Gaza and nothing has moved forward,? said Tom Segev, an Israeli historian. ?Like Oslo, Gaza disengagement was a good idea, but it was managed very badly. But instead of criticizing the management, we criticize the thing itself.?
Itamar Rabinovich, a former ambassador to Washington, said bluntly: ?Two notions have died. First, unilateralism, and second, separation by the fence. Missiles dwarf the fence.?
Israelis also fear there has been damage done to their relationship with the United States, where some may complain that the Israelis were given time to clobber Hezbollah and did not get the job done.
Mr. Rabinovich is more sanguine. ?Part of the reckoning will be our reputation as a strategic partner, when we tell the Americans, ?Give us the tools and we?ll do the job,? ? he said. ?Part of our self-image is of military miracle workers, and we didn?t do that this time.?
Still, he said, Lebanon reinforces Israel?s view that the real danger in the region is Iran, Hezbollah?s patron, and that the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran is aimed at Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan too.
For Mr. Segev, the Lebanese war seems like a side show to Israel?s main and persisting problem: the Palestinians. Israel still faces a crisis in Gaza, including the unknown fate of a soldier captured June 25, and unresolved disputes over the Hamas-led government.
?This war is a huge detour from the real problem, like an accident that shouldn?t have happened,? Mr. Segev said. ?The Palestinian problem persists, and again the government looks to be bad managers.?