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lxskllr

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The problem with Ubuntu is it isn't the world standard. If a customer tries to install something his buddy has for Windows, and it doesn't work, it's going to lead to irritation and disappointment. Ubuntu is a very good choice for the right person, but Windows should be made available also. Put together a pamphlet that describes the benefits and drawbacks of each O/S, and let the customer decide. Don't be disingenuous with your analysis. Regardless of what the fanbois say, Linux isn't good for everybody. It is a viable alternative for many though.
 

RebateMonger

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How are you going to provide a free Windows OS? Unless you tell the client that it's pirated software, they are going to be REALLY upset at you when it eventually fails WGA. My clients aren't happy when I tell them that the Windows XP they got from their previous computer dealer sold them pirated software. It really gives the business a bad name.

Also, go talk to a local computer dealer and see what's up. The last one I talked to told me that, between Dell and Newegg, it's REALLY hard to compete for hardware sales. As noted earlier, most consumers either buy a big-OEM box (Dell, HP) or build their own. And they buy their parts off the web.
 

TheStu

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Originally posted by: RebateMonger
How are you going to provide a free Windows OS? Unless you tell the client that it's pirated software, they are going to be REALLY upset at you when it eventually fails WGA. My clients aren't happy when I tell them that the Windows XP they got from their previous computer dealer sold them pirated software. It really gives the business a bad name.

Also, go talk to a local computer dealer and see what's up. The last one I talked to told me that, between Dell and Newegg, it's REALLY hard to compete for hardware sales. As noted earlier, most consumers either buy a big-OEM box (Dell, HP) or build their own. And they buy their parts off the web.

Heck, I am still confused as to how a customer of mine had XP Home SP3 installed, with an XP Pro sticker on the side, and the XP Pro key was used to install the OS. Plus it had a System Properties image in there from the previous shop, so I know that they installed it, but didn't give her a copy of the disk.
 

elconejito

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I'm all for the enterprising individuals. Too many lazy goats out there. Here's my $0.02, some of which has been mentioned by others.

-Have some capital handy and ready. When you buy the parts upfront, if the client decides later they don't want it, you're left footing the bill (it happens).
-In addition, maybe you have a full set of parts standing by, then you order replacements on each order "in advance" of the next order. Meaning, even before you have any clients have the parts for one computer ready to go. When someone orders it, you order the next set. This will keep wait times down.

-CYA. Make sure everything is spelled out. Put "non-refundable deposit" in nice clear print, maybe have them initial it. If there is any warranty (or not) have them initial that too.
-Spell out what is or isn't included. If it comes with Vista, say so. If it comes with linux, say so. If there is no OS, say so.
-Know your clientele. Are you going to get a call a few days after you deliver asking "Hey, there's no MS Word on this thing" (had it happen) and then you have to explain, "No. That is extra. It isn't included with windows." They get mighty pissy finding out they have to pay extra for something they thought was standard on every machine.

Expectations:
-When is payment due? have a clear schedule... 50% up front, 50% on delivery? 100% on order (that's what dell does when you order online)?
-Upon payment, when is the computer due to the client? Again, have a clear schedule. Within 1 week of payment? 2 weeks? Keep in mind shipping times and building times.
-What can the client expect in term support? Will you go to their house? Is it dropoff/pickup only? Do you warranty parts and/or labor? What if they spill coffee in it?
-What kind of performance can they expect? How do they know they are getting that kind of performance? Benchmarks? [True story - I built a system for a guy, who wanted a "reasonably fast" machine. He was coming from a P4 1.something GHz. All he does is browse the internet and check email. I put together a nice box for him based around an e8400. He was put off because he thought the machine would be "much faster" than his old one. He thought it would "almost read his mind". It was much faster than his old machine. But really... how much faster can you open a firefox tab?]

Advice:
Pick a niche, know that niche, and market to that niche.

If you're going the office route, they're going to want cheap computers, but will be willing to pay for ongoing support (there's lot of money in that, btw). Be prepared to go door to door in an office park to sell yourself.

If you're looking at gamers, they will pay extra up front for a high-performance machine. Then they don't want to see you again until it's time for a new one. If you're near a college, there must be a gaming club or two on campus. Find them.

Treat yourself like a system builder (like Dell, HP, etc). I'd recommend you have some standard warranty, like 30days parts and labor, then 90days labor only. Give folks the option if they want to pay for additional warranty like 1 year parts and labor. They are less likely to consider you a back-alley dealer if they have a sense of security in a warranty, it makes people feel better and more likely to buy from you than if you tell them "if it breaks you're on your own".

On your flyers, don't tie yourself to any particular part unless you need/want to. Definitely be specific about the CPU and maybe the motherboard, but any old 2.1 speaker system will do the job, just find whatever's cheapest. Ditto for the DVD burner. Instead of specifying PowerColor Radeon 4890, just say ATI Radeon 4890 that way you can get another brand if its on sale. Unless that specific model is a selling point, don't be so specific.
 

0roo0roo

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markets gone too cheap for such a business to work.
cheap dells, netbooks, most customers would rather be backed by that kind of warranty and name brand security. they aren't willing to pay for the personal tech support costs from a custom build. custom build is already rather crowded in the niche high end market with known brands as well.

not sure you can cover the effort/liability/costs of custom build at a reasonable price and still make enough money to be worth the bother. margins on the low/mid end are tiny, and the major companies make it up on volume, something you cannot do. only niche and apple get away with making a nice profit on machines. there was a time when there were small pc shops everywhere building people pc's. back then perhaps you could have had a small business building pcs as well, but those stores generally died out when the internet got rolling and when pc prices dropped so low that trying to get the best deal by going with a generic no longer was worth the bother.

pc building is not a valuable skill, esp not now that its plug and play galore. overclocking is dubious, instability and or shortened life is a good way to piss off customers/lead to headaches for you/time wasted. and if they really cared about such things they'd probably be the kind to do it themselves, and thus not need your service. the best deals on hardware tend to come with rebates. that doesn't work when building for others as well.

anyways the last deal on woot was a 149 dollar eeepc. how do you compete with that.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: TidusZ

$50-100 seems kinda low for a profit margin. 100 on a 1700 cpu is barely 6%. With a 175 markup your still offering better hardware than a similarly priced Dell albeit without retail windows/office and fancy warrenty. I was comparing today and I couldn't even find what motherboards they use because they dont list them. Last time I got a oem cpu was a Compaq with a proprietary motherboard and powersupply, no agp on the mobo and 110w on the power supply. Was a world of hassles. But anyway I want more opinions on what margin I should be taking, 50-100 per pc just seems too low to me. If ordering, building, installing os/testing, and bringing the pc to the person takes 6 hours that's like $8-17/hr and that's conservative because I plan to build them well, using quality TIM and offering overclocking for very low margins (which is time consuming). Keep in mind these are Canadian dollars.

well there you go, you figured it out, it is not worth the effort. you are an unknown quantity offering a generic product with no replacement garrantees on parts. cut rate price/low service=no margin. it doesn't work.
 

TidusZ

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: TidusZ

$50-100 seems kinda low for a profit margin. 100 on a 1700 cpu is barely 6%. With a 175 markup your still offering better hardware than a similarly priced Dell albeit without retail windows/office and fancy warrenty. I was comparing today and I couldn't even find what motherboards they use because they dont list them. Last time I got a oem cpu was a Compaq with a proprietary motherboard and powersupply, no agp on the mobo and 110w on the power supply. Was a world of hassles. But anyway I want more opinions on what margin I should be taking, 50-100 per pc just seems too low to me. If ordering, building, installing os/testing, and bringing the pc to the person takes 6 hours that's like $8-17/hr and that's conservative because I plan to build them well, using quality TIM and offering overclocking for very low margins (which is time consuming). Keep in mind these are Canadian dollars.

well there you go, you figured it out, it is not worth the effort. you are an unknown quantity offering a generic product with no replacement garrantees on parts. cut rate price/low service=no margin. it doesn't work.

You may be right, I'll let you know in a few weeks

Elconejito, thanks for the advice, it is useful. I totally agree with less detail on the specifics of the parts, I will change that for the flyer. I would really love to prove the naysayers wrong, theres no short supply of those.
 

TidusZ

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you are competing with this kind of thing
http://www.shopping.hp.com/voo.../boutique/psg/products
no matter your skill you aren't going to get a custom case like that. liquid cooled quad core sli system backed by hp for $17xx. we aren't talking 4 thousand+ alienware anymore...

The 1700cdn cpu I whipped together has a q9550 vs q9400, 4890 1tb vs 9800S 512 MXM sli (notebook gpus, think 9600gt sli in desktop terms), a 22" monitor, decent 2.1 speakers, 650w vs 350w p/s, 1tb caviar black vs 500gb el cheapo hdd, UD3P vs undisclosed motherboard, and lets be honest here, those cheapo water cooling options are no better than a TRUE. Your basically getting slower hardware in a sleeker case, w/o the option of overclocking and without a monitor and speakers. Let me throw out those extras (monitor/speakers) and I could upgrade the hardware even further or spend the ~$250 saved on a real water cooling setup. I don't really get your point.

1700cdn

1700 cdn to usd = $1508

Tax in Michegan is 6%. $1649 + 6% (for the base model) = $1748 before shipping
1748 - 1508 = $240 in savings and you get better hardware

Thank you for the motivation, I'd benchmark my $1508 cpu against that $1748 computer any day. Would have to use the monitor from my system to see the scores though.
 

0roo0roo

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problem is that is a mix of components of differing quality. warranty/os not really included. and the additional problem of that level buyer is now actually relatively price insensitive. its like tying to spec out a hyundai to try to steal bmw buyers, it just won't work. its not just components but a total package. the price sensitive that used to get generic pc's died out. those only were viable in the early days of the pc, from 386-early pentiums when 2000 dollars bought you a midrange retail pc, never mind inflation. and probably a slightly dodgy one at that..compaq..packard bell..junk. and thats when people turned to generics to help them out. now,..the low end is so well serviced by the dells and such for a few hundred bucks that market is gone. you confuse self build for your own use with costs of doing business. support/time purchasing/building/transportation/os/potential losses from rma/doa/loss mail/breakage/fraud etc components eat into the profit margin until it becomes unviable rather quickly. if one component you order comes out wonky your ship date gets very delayed very fast because unless you have a pipeline of machines going out the door you won't have a spare part to pop in. if that hp game machine arrives slightly messed up i'm sure they'll send another on the way as soon as you ship it back, maybe it'll even leave for shipping as soon as they authorize it because they got your credit card info anyways. you on the other hand would have to order parts and do all the waiting and such before you could ever get a working product back to the consumer. it would be very difficult for you to offer the customer a superior experience. remedying one botch job could wipe out profits for quite a bit with such a small operation.
 

0roo0roo

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heres dell @ $1500
http://www.dell.com/content/pr...?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
dell xps 630
q9550
vista 64bit home premium
microsoft works
8gb
2x 16x dvd
640gb
crossfire hd 4850
3 year warranty

the advantages of the dell make up for any slightly slower hardware, leaving you with very little margin to work with. cutting corners to save costs like getting a cheap low res 22" lcd is fine on a self build where you are shaving every penny, but for a higher end market it doesn't fly.


 

TidusZ

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
problem is that is a mix of components of differing quality. warranty/os not really included. and the additional problem of that level buyer is now actually relatively price insensitive. its like tying to spec out a hyundai to try to steal bmw buyers, it just won't work. its not just components but a total package. the price sensitive that used to get generic pc's died out. those only were viable in the early days of the pc, from 386-early pentiums when 2000 dollars bought you a midrange retail pc, never mind inflation. and probably a slightly dodgy one at that..compaq..packard bell..junk. and thats when people turned to generics to help them out. now,..the low end is so well serviced by the dells and such for a few hundred bucks that market is gone. you confuse self build for your own use with costs of doing business. support/time purchasing/building/transportation/os/potential losses from rma/doa/loss mail/breakage/fraud etc components eat into the profit margin until it becomes unviable rather quickly. if one component you order comes out wonky your ship date gets very delayed very fast because unless you have a pipeline of machines going out the door you won't have a spare part to pop in. if that hp game machine arrives slightly messed up i'm sure they'll send another on the way as soon as you ship it back, maybe it'll even leave for shipping as soon as they authorize it because they got your credit card info anyways. you on the other hand would have to order parts and do all the waiting and such before you could ever get a working product back to the consumer. it would be very difficult for you to offer the customer a superior experience. remedying one botch job could wipe out profits for quite a bit with such a small operation.

I've built somewhere in the range of 10 pc's over my lifetime and I've never had to RMA anything ever. I will be buying a premier partner upgrade to my account at NCIX for $100/year when my first order arrives, meaning free shipping on all RMA's, free shipping on orders over $3000, and lower prices across the board on all of their products. I am making it quite clear to customers that I will assist with handling the RMA but I will not purchase replacement parts - I'm basically there for service and support, not replacement beyond the manufacturer and retailer warrenties. The prices I'm offering are with a sizable markup - this is not what it costs me to build. If these prices are competitive then in my opinion this is marketable and viable.

I'm not sure why you keep linking OEM pcs that don't begin to compare with what I am offering for the same money. Side by side, that $1499 ($1589 with 6% tax) usd pc w/o shipping is inferior to the $1508usd pc I am offering, and as in the example above, throw out the monitor/speakers and use that $250 Canadian to further improve the hardware and its not even a fair fight - not even including the overclocking. After buying the Premier Partner upgrade the price on my pc would almost certainly drop as well. Even if you toss in a retail OS, Vista Home Premium OEM say, it's not close to even - I have the edge.

So, given that I am including a 1 year warranty, lets throw in an OS for ~140cdn for argument sake, faster hardware, free shipping, and very good overclocking, why would you ever want to buy from Dell or HP if given the choice? I can't think of a reason.


Tomorrow I shall begin delivering my flyer to as many houses as possible. The weather is beautiful, my 8gb mp3 player is full, and I'm open for business.
 

0roo0roo

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dell and hp are known quantities. the total package of something like the hp blackbird is more than the sum of its parts, and not something you can replicate. and at that price point it starts to be something more than simply bang for buck alone as the only consideration. that sweet custom case from hp is not matched by something like an antec 900 which is just a noise/dust magnet that mostly appeals to teenagers who think the number of fans you have is everything. dell or hp will be around a year from now, there is trust in a brand. you are an unknown quantity. build quality unknown. that you keep spec touting seems to show you don't really get it. if mp3 players were sold on specs apple would have lost long ago, the reality is they dominate. people who care about specs will build their own, or put out the money to buy a premium system even if it costs a bit more, after about 2000 a few hundred here or there is a quibble. casual gamers will settle for something slightly less powerful from a known brand, not to mention they'd be unlikely to even think of going with an unknown 3rd party builder. cheapskates will build their own, it leaves it very questionable who you would be left serving. it is questionable whether the value you add is enough to outweigh the many negatives inherent in your business model. "I am making it quite clear to customers that I will assist with handling the RMA but I will not purchase replacement parts" i don't see many people getting past that, regardless of the few bucks you promise to save them.
 

pcgeek11

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Originally posted by: Steven the Leech
Yes, Insist that they buy a legal copies of windows etc:, and make a restore disk after initial setup. You will also become their help desk.

Good Luck

Ain't it the truth. And some of them will want Free Lifetime support. That is their life and not the PC.

pcgeek11

 

TidusZ

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
dell and hp are known quantities. the total package of something like the hp blackbird is more than the sum of its parts, and not something you can replicate. and at that price point it starts to be something more than simply bang for buck alone as the only consideration. that sweet custom case from hp is not matched by something like an antec 900 which is just a noise/dust magnet that mostly appeals to teenagers who think the number of fans you have is everything. dell or hp will be around a year from now, there is trust in a brand. you are an unknown quantity. build quality unknown. that you keep spec touting seems to show you don't really get it. if mp3 players were sold on specs apple would have lost long ago, the reality is they dominate. people who care about specs will build their own, or put out the money to buy a premium system even if it costs a bit more, after about 2000 a few hundred here or there is a quibble. casual gamers will settle for something slightly less powerful from a known brand, not to mention they'd be unlikely to even think of going with an unknown 3rd party builder. cheapskates will build their own, it leaves it very questionable who you would be left serving. it is questionable whether the value you add is enough to outweigh the many negatives inherent in your business model.

The impression I get is that you believe I am trying to best Dell and HP. I expect to make money, but not that much money. I am offering superior products and prices, name not withstanding, and I do believe that's enough. If I were replicating Dell and HP I would be failing in my opinion.

The ipod analogy I rather like. Ipods are overpriced, require expensive proprietary hardware and annoying proprietary software, and are successful based on adverstising, branding, and looks. I have an 8gb mp3 player that cost me $59.99 Canadian and plays music just as well as an Ipod at a fraction of the price. I think if you found someone with an Ipod and showed them a comparable mp3 player that cost considerably less, and you showed them the software and the ui etc.. and if that person was reasonable they would agree that the less expensive mp3 player was the better choice.

You may be right, I might try really hard and not get one phonecall or email and I will have wasted my time. The thing is, if I didn't try then I would of wasted that time anyway playing Demigod or watching tv - but I'm confident that's not how this is gonna go down.
 

TidusZ

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Originally posted by: pcgeek11
Originally posted by: Steven the Leech
Yes, Insist that they buy a legal copies of windows etc:, and make a restore disk after initial setup. You will also become their help desk.

Good Luck

Ain't it the truth. And some of them will want Free Lifetime support. That is their life and not the PC.

pcgeek11

Yea I plan to use acronis for this.
 

lxskllr

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I have my doubts, but good luck in your venture. Please post back after you've been at it awhile. I'm curious to know how you did :^)
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: TidusZ
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
dell and hp are known quantities. the total package of something like the hp blackbird is more than the sum of its parts, and not something you can replicate. and at that price point it starts to be something more than simply bang for buck alone as the only consideration. that sweet custom case from hp is not matched by something like an antec 900 which is just a noise/dust magnet that mostly appeals to teenagers who think the number of fans you have is everything. dell or hp will be around a year from now, there is trust in a brand. you are an unknown quantity. build quality unknown. that you keep spec touting seems to show you don't really get it. if mp3 players were sold on specs apple would have lost long ago, the reality is they dominate. people who care about specs will build their own, or put out the money to buy a premium system even if it costs a bit more, after about 2000 a few hundred here or there is a quibble. casual gamers will settle for something slightly less powerful from a known brand, not to mention they'd be unlikely to even think of going with an unknown 3rd party builder. cheapskates will build their own, it leaves it very questionable who you would be left serving. it is questionable whether the value you add is enough to outweigh the many negatives inherent in your business model.

The impression I get is that you believe I am trying to best Dell and HP. I expect to make money, but not that much money. I am offering superior products and prices, name not withstanding, and I do believe that's enough. If I were replicating Dell and HP I would be failing in my opinion.

The ipod analogy I rather like. Ipods are overpriced, require expensive proprietary hardware and annoying proprietary software, and are successful based on adverstising, branding, and looks. I have an 8gb mp3 player that cost me $59.99 Canadian and plays music just as well as an Ipod at a fraction of the price. I think if you found someone with an Ipod and showed them a comparable mp3 player that cost considerably less, and you showed them the software and the ui etc.. and if that person was reasonable they would agree that the less expensive mp3 player was the better choice.

You may be right, I might try really hard and not get one phonecall or email and I will have wasted my time. The thing is, if I didn't try then I would of wasted that time anyway playing Demigod or watching tv - but I'm confident that's not how this is gonna go down.

i sort of remember you saying you were a nurse. you are better off getting overtime than trying this out. dell and hp are ALWAYS your competition for people who can't be bothered to build their own rigs. they set the bar. and i think they've already taken the value buyer out the equation, and now with their gaming rigs they've also taken a large bite out of the enthusiast market as well. that leaves very little left for a product that is neither fish or fowl. neither cheap or prestigious/backed by brand/"special".

lol did you really think they were going to get into an argument with you over an ipod? they probably nodded along to just let it by since they didn't want trouble/and didn't care. you should have asked if they'd like to trade their ipod for your "equivalent" product ..in fact you would throw in 10 dollars even to sweeten the deal.. i'd like to see how that would go.

 

TidusZ

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Just did some work on the flyer, posting what I have so far before I go to sleep. If anyone's got some ideas for improvements in the wording or anything else, let me know. I'll do a bit of work on it in the morning before I print out a few hundred and I want it to be good.
Flyer

Likely going to print it in black and white but if it looks like shit I may do some colour. Note that I took out the contact information for this purpose, its there though.

 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: TidusZ
Originally posted by: pcgeek11
Originally posted by: Steven the Leech
Yes, Insist that they buy a legal copies of windows etc:, and make a restore disk after initial setup. You will also become their help desk.

Good Luck

Ain't it the truth. And some of them will want Free Lifetime support. That is their life and not the PC.

pcgeek11

Yea I plan to use acronis for this.

what? you going to buy acronis for each customer?

From the Acronis TI EULA:

Quote:
2. The Original Purchaser may use the Software on a single computer owned or leased by the Original Purchaser. You may not use the Software on more than a single machine even if you own or lease all of them without the written consent of Acronis.
3. The Original Purchaser may not engage in, nor permit third parties to engage in, any of the following:
A. Providing or permitting use of or disclosing the Software to third parties.
B. Providing use of the Software in a computer service business, network, timesharing or multiple user arrangement to users who are not individually licensed by Acronis.
 

TidusZ

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: TidusZ
Originally posted by: pcgeek11
Originally posted by: Steven the Leech
Yes, Insist that they buy a legal copies of windows etc:, and make a restore disk after initial setup. You will also become their help desk.

Good Luck

Ain't it the truth. And some of them will want Free Lifetime support. That is their life and not the PC.

pcgeek11

Yea I plan to use acronis for this.

what? you going to buy acronis for each customer?

From the Acronis TI EULA:

Quote:
2. The Original Purchaser may use the Software on a single computer owned or leased by the Original Purchaser. You may not use the Software on more than a single machine even if you own or lease all of them without the written consent of Acronis.
3. The Original Purchaser may not engage in, nor permit third parties to engage in, any of the following:
A. Providing or permitting use of or disclosing the Software to third parties.
B. Providing use of the Software in a computer service business, network, timesharing or multiple user arrangement to users who are not individually licensed by Acronis.


Definitely not going to buy Acronis for each customer, that wouldn't be necessary. The one pirated copy I have is all I need and there is no way for the customer to know any differently. If I didn't know any better rooroo, I would say you are trolling at this point. I've been patient with you, I don't mind criticism constructive or not, but your just being childish now.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


anyways the last deal on woot was a 149 dollar eeepc. how do you compete with that.

Or systems like this:

? AMD Athlon X2 2.6 GHz processor (Qty 1); 3 GB DDR2 SDRAM
? 160 GB hard drive; DVD±RW / DVD-RAM; Gigabit Ethernet
? Microsoft Windows Vista Business / XP Professional downgrade
? 1 year warranty


All for $399


Its gotten seriously cheap for a halfway decent system. Good for the consumer, but bad for the independent builders.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: TidusZ
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: TidusZ
Originally posted by: pcgeek11
Originally posted by: Steven the Leech
Yes, Insist that they buy a legal copies of windows etc:, and make a restore disk after initial setup. You will also become their help desk.

Good Luck

Ain't it the truth. And some of them will want Free Lifetime support. That is their life and not the PC.

pcgeek11

Yea I plan to use acronis for this.

what? you going to buy acronis for each customer?

From the Acronis TI EULA:

Quote:
2. The Original Purchaser may use the Software on a single computer owned or leased by the Original Purchaser. You may not use the Software on more than a single machine even if you own or lease all of them without the written consent of Acronis.
3. The Original Purchaser may not engage in, nor permit third parties to engage in, any of the following:
A. Providing or permitting use of or disclosing the Software to third parties.
B. Providing use of the Software in a computer service business, network, timesharing or multiple user arrangement to users who are not individually licensed by Acronis.


Definitely not going to buy Acronis for each customer, that wouldn't be necessary. The one pirated copy I have is all I need and there is no way for the customer to know any differently. If I didn't know any better rooroo, I would say you are trolling at this point. I've been patient with you, I don't mind criticism constructive or not, but your just being childish now.

lol the pirate is calling me a troll.

sorry, from what i've seen so far i wouldn't want anyone to do business with you. the more you talk, the more convinced i get. remember i talked about the negatives outweighing the postives when it comes to your model, the "ethically dubious" bit pushes it way over the ledge.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


anyways the last deal on woot was a 149 dollar eeepc. how do you compete with that.

Or systems like this:

? AMD Athlon X2 2.6 GHz processor (Qty 1); 3 GB DDR2 SDRAM
? 160 GB hard drive; DVD±RW / DVD-RAM; Gigabit Ethernet
? Microsoft Windows Vista Business / XP Professional downgrade
? 1 year warranty


All for $399


Its gotten seriously cheap for a halfway decent system. Good for the consumer, but bad for the independent builders.

yup cheap dual cores+cheap ram= low and mid end user totally satisfied by retail builds.
 

TidusZ

Golden Member
Nov 13, 2007
1,765
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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


anyways the last deal on woot was a 149 dollar eeepc. how do you compete with that.

Or systems like this:

? AMD Athlon X2 2.6 GHz processor (Qty 1); 3 GB DDR2 SDRAM
? 160 GB hard drive; DVD±RW / DVD-RAM; Gigabit Ethernet
? Microsoft Windows Vista Business / XP Professional downgrade
? 1 year warranty


All for $399


Its gotten seriously cheap for a halfway decent system. Good for the consumer, but bad for the independent builders.

$66 Athlon X2 2.7ghz
$55 4gb ddr2-800
$64 500gb 7200rpm
$28 DVD±RW + DL
$60 Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 mATX (gigabit lan)
$65 Gigabyte Radeon hd 4650 1gb
$40 Chant MicroATX Case w/ 500w p/s
$378 + 5% gst = $397 Cdn --> $352 Usd
399 + 6% tax = $423
423 - 352 = $71Usd difference
Shipping cancels each other out

This is without a markup. I could charge a $50Usd markup (10-15% depending on shipping) and still offer a far superior rig at $21 savings. The catch is I can't include windows vista and be competetive, but I think someone thrifty enough to be buying a $400 pc is unlikely to spend $200 on an OS. Sounds pretty good to me. The cheaper you go the harder it is to compete with OEMs though that's for sure, and if you matched the hardware exactly and added the OS you wouldn't be able to make money off that.



 
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