SEMI - 75gig 7200 Deskstar 149.99

lipkun

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Very nice find, also dont forget the $10 of $99 coupon that you can find at youre favourite bargains site.

Is shipping free?

However take note that it is a 75GXP, theres something inherently wrong with that drive and ibm's being sued for it.

75GXP Lawsuit and Failure details

take a look before deciding if you want to buy this. Also the same drive is avaliable on egay for almost the same price.
 

Emulex

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i can vouch that in the 6 months of ownership we've replaced 6/10 drives, then sent the rest back the vendor for replacement (free, or we would have sued) for seagate barracude 80 gig drives. The following 6 months, none of them failed.

avoid these POS
 

weepul

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i believe deskstars are IBM (aka the best hd maker and lets not forget the most expensive brand out there). ^_^x

as for seagates, i have 30gb and it has not failed me yet for ~year.
 

Diablo6178

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I currently own 5 Deskstar drives 3 have failed. Two have been replaced the other is a paper weight. Personally I feel these drives are dying from heat on the controller chipset. Try putting the drive in a freezer for a little while and see how much better it works.

Also one would have assumed that IBM would put the platters evenly spaced on the spindle. So for a 15Gig (single platter) the platter would be in the middle instead it's on the bottom. For simpler manufacturing they stack them bottom up which is one reason why I think the heads crash on them so much. Osilation due to unequal load.
 

Kipper

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The 60GXP line, I've heard, has problems as well. Over at the Storage Review forums there is an entire thread with people moaning about their RMA'd 60GXP's. I have a dead one on my hands as well, over a period of a month, I formatted it sixteen times. SIXTEEN! So much for that. Gonna RMA it to IBM and try my luck. Currently using a Barracuda IV, no problems, running fine for over two months.
 

exisle

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<< (aka the best hd maker and lets not forget the most expensive brand out there) >>



How can they be the best hard drives if they don't even work reliably? The reason the IBM drives were so acclaimed to begin with was because of their performance, but the reliablitity problems are probably because they either made their drives to fast or they spent too much time trying to make them fast and didn't spend enough time on reliability
 

greg

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If you have been around long enough...I'm in Law School and have seen these lawsuits directed at nearly every hard disk, video card, monitor, and RAM manufacturer. What would be nice is a single source of independent review - forget stroagereview - that monitors dead drives and the defect return rate.
 

gopunk

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i don't think the 60gxps have any more problems than other drives.... could be wrong though. mine's been reliable for the 6 months that i've had it... then again, i don't think i've ever had a hd crap out on me.

and yea, storage review is only good for performance reviews, they have jack about reliabilty.
 

DUKAT1

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I am one of the lucky ones. My two 45gb 75gxp's have worked flawlessly since I purchased them January, 2001. Together they make up my striped raid boot drive. After reading about all the problems others have had with 75gxp's, I make sure to back up often.
 

hojl

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its funny how people are saying their hds has been good for six months...
I figure hds should be good for at least their warrenty 3 years?
6months is lame...
sorry for the bitching..

I have a maxtor 20gig that went dead in 8 months and I am fully pissed off ..
 

Nomans

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Yep. It's an 75GXP so you know what you get. Select the Editoral Review on the left side. The price is still very tempting though...

Linky
 

Nomans

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I'm just thinking out loud here...

Supposed the drive goes bad before the 3 years warranty is over. You'll get an RMA, return the drive back to IBM and MAYBE you'll get a brand new 75GB 60GXP or even something better instead of the bad 75GXP. That would be good, wouldn't it? Still a lot of hassle 'cause IBM return policy is not as easy as other MFR in terms of packing material and stuffs.
 

Dran

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<< but the reliablitity problems are probably because they either made their drives to fast or they spent too much time trying to make them fast and didn't spend enough time on reliability >>



Well... no.

The issue with the 75GXPs is platter expansion. In all HDDs, data is written to a platter by a write head changing the magnetic orientation of very small areas on the platter. Under normal operation, this works perfectly and allows us to store data to and read data from our HDDs.

Unfortunately, sometimes things go awry. In the IBM 75GXPs, the substrate of the platters, the actual non-magnetic material that makes the platters themselves (platters are made of aluminum or glass, for instance, then coated with a magnetic material) expands when a level of heat is reached. Now, we're not talking about expansion on a scale large enough to cause cracks in the magnetic film. Just a tiny amount...

But that small bit of expansion is enough to totally throw off the read heads, which expect data to be in certain places on certain platters. Said data is still there, but due to the expansion, it's been shifted out of its original physical position ever-so-slightly. The result being, the read heads fail to find the data they're expecting to find and reset their positions... over and over again.

*click click click*

Once the drive cools (read, has been off for a while), the platters contract to their normal size again, and the data can be retrieved. But each time the drive is used, it heats up and causes platter expansion again, making it unusable in a normal working environment, under normal working circumstances.

The problem is exacerbated by ferromagnetic-resistance heads, which make use of electron spin to read data. This works by having a platter material in which there's a global electron spin orientation. When data is written to the magnetic film that coats the platter, it causes the spin orientation in the precise area where data's written to change (either opposite that of the platter, or matching that of the platter) and create either electrical resistance (opposite spin) or permit current to pass through unhindered (matching spin). It's this measure of resistance that determines whether each bit is a 1 or 0. While this allows greater areal densities, it also leads to problems like what everyone's experienced with the 75GXP line.

IOW, the closer you pack the data on a platter, the greater the problem when the platter expands and the more sensitive the heads become to slighter and slighter expansions. Everything's still there, but it's just not where it's physically _supposed_ to be, which makes it irretrievable until the platter contracts to its former dimensions.

And that's why the 75GXP is a cold deal.

Any questions? Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller? ;-)
 

greendonuts

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I've had a 30gb 75gxp for 1 year now, no problems at all, it is superbly fast and quiet.
I wonder if the heat issue is related to overclocking ?
 

Yo2

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<< I've had a 30gb 75gxp for 1 year now, no problems at all, it is superbly fast and quiet.
I wonder if the heat issue is related to overclocking ?
>>



AFAIK the 60, 45 and 30gig versions of the GXP75 are ok, but do fail sometimes - in fact one of mine (I have 4) died. The 75GB version has 5(!!!) platters, and this makes them more succeptible to failure. Given that now there are two and three platter designs for 80GB this does not appear to be a good deal at all. Rather go tho OM this week and get a 80GB WD drive for $199-$80 MIR=$119+tax.

Yo
 

Dran

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<< I've had a 30gb 75gxp for 1 year now, no problems at all, it is superbly fast and quiet. I wonder if the heat issue is related to overclocking ? >>



No. I read numerous reports of IT buyers purchasing 75GXPs for their company systems/workstations, running stock from the factory, and still having more than 2/3rds of the GXPs die.

Granted, it's probably more likely to happen in an OCed system, since there's more heat circulating through the case, but the problem isn't OC-specific. I'd also tend to be less suspect of an OCed system, if the OCer were experienced and knew the HDD needed to be cooled (ever seen the inside of a Compaq or HP? hideous designs. absolutely hideous. it's a wonder anything works in those rat-traps).



<< buying ibm = unnecessary risk >>



Not necessarily. Every manufacturer has bad runs, at some time or another. Everyone here has preferences, all of them different, because everyone's been burned by different HDDs failing on them, be it Seagate, Maxtor, Quantum, WD, IBM, Fujitsu, or whoever. Issues get dealt with, problems get fixed, newer/better HDDs come out, and we upgrade. *shrug*
 

lipkun

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Thx for shining light on this topic Dran.

At least I know now wtf happened to both of my 75gxps. Mine started clicking when I didnt shut down my comp overnight, then I got a BSOD, tried to reboot and BSODed on start up. I shut it down and after a hour I could get into the os and save some files before it started clicking again. All these knda coincides with Dran's analysis of the problem.

Does this mean that the drives with lower capacities are less likely to scr3w up?

I just bought a pair of 40GB 60 gxps from newegg refurb. I hope they are not like the 75gxps I had. gdluck to whoever trys this deal out.



Lip
 

aks93

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guys Ive had one 75g 75gxp for 18 months now and it runs perfectly, about 6 months ago I bought another one to run raid on, theyre both excellent hd's. No problems whatsoever, system is busy 24/7. I may be the exception here, but I just love my 75gxps and for the price of this deal, depending on how much money I have left after xmas, Im tempted to get 2 more and run all 4 in a raid configuration. This is a HOT deal.
 

Huggies

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Wouldn't you think that IBM has corrected this issue and all the new drives and repaired drives will not fail from this particular type of breakdown? I find it hard to imagine that IBM would still be selling a HD model that they KNOW is going to most likely fail in a year and they will have to repair...
 

krackato

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You give IBM too much credit. My 75gb 75gxp has been running fine since they were released, but when a large company buys over a hundred of them and 2/3 crap out... I admit that I got lucky and I don't tempt fate again.
 

greg

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>>it also leads to problems like what *everyone's* experienced with the 75GXP line.

Aside from the ONE class action (which has spawned about a million identical articles), what else has been found on the entire GXP line. Are there any sources out there besides Billy Joe Jim Bob, who swears he has 50 drives running Quake3 24/7, that can attest to this? Otherwise it seems like piling on to me. I have owned drvies from every major manufacturer. Many have failed, but that says nothing about the reliability of any drive.
 

BigLou

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I had 4 75GXP's (3 45GB and 1 30GB) and eventually had to replace them all. Some lasted over a year but eventually started clicking indicating bad spots on the disk.

To IBM's credit they have a nice RMA setup where they will replace them with 60GXP's free once you run a disk checking utility. For the 45GB ones I got 60GB replacements. I'm keeping my fingers crossed to see how reliable the 60GXPs are.

The down side is that it takes about 2 weeks or more to get the replacement disks and you have to have some way to copy your old data (backups or ghost) onto the new disk. I had an extra disk so I was never diskless but it still took quite a bit of time to do the copying and disk swapping.

I would never buy 75GXP disks but since IBM did replace them without any hassle I will continue to buy their disks.

 

WaNaNaa

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my 40GB 60gxp ibm hard drive started to make clicking noises and i only had it for 2 months. :|
 
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