Seminar on suicide bombing

[maddogchen]

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Mohammad Ali Samadi, spokesman for Esteshadion, or Martyrdom Seekers, boasted of having hundreds of potential bombers in his talk at a seminar on suicide-bombings tactics at Tehran's Khajeh Nasir University.

"With more than 1,000 trained martyrdom-seekers, we are ready to attack the American and British sensitive points if they attack
Iran's nuclear facilities," Samadi said.

"If they strike, we have a lot of volunteers. Their (U.S. and British) sensitive places are quiet close to Iranian borders," Samadi said.

Samadi reviewed the history of suicide bombing as a weapon, praising it as the most effective Palestinian tactic in their confrontation with
Israel.

The organizers showed video clips of suicide attacks against Israelis, including one in the Morag settlement near Rafah in Gaza strip in February 2005. One settler, three Israeli soldiers and the two attackers were killed in the attack....

I thought this was real interesting, how they have seminars and attract and sign up suicide bombers at a university. And I'm not surprised it happened in Iran, a supporter and exporter of terrorism. I think it shows how in some Islamic countries that terrorism, suicide bombings, is starting to become an accepted norm where it doesn't draw as much criticism from its leaders.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
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Mohammad Ali Samadi, spokesman for Esteshadion, or Martyrdom Seekers, boasted of having hundreds of potential bombers in his talk at a seminar on suicide-bombings tactics at Tehran's Khajeh Nasir University.

"With more than 1,000 trained martyrdom-seekers, we are ready to attack the American and British sensitive points if they attack
Iran's nuclear facilities," Samadi said.

"If they strike, we have a lot of volunteers. Their (U.S. and British) sensitive places are quiet close to Iranian borders," Samadi said.

Samadi reviewed the history of suicide bombing as a weapon, praising it as the most effective Palestinian tactic in their confrontation with
Israel.

The organizers showed video clips of suicide attacks against Israelis, including one in the Morag settlement near Rafah in Gaza strip in February 2005. One settler, three Israeli soldiers and the two attackers were killed in the attack....

I thought this was real interesting, how they have seminars and attract and sign up suicide bombers at a university. And I'm not surprised it happened in Iran, a supporter and exporter of terrorism. I think it shows how in some Islamic countries that terrorism, suicide bombings, is starting to become an accepted norm where it doesn't draw as much criticism from its leaders.

How many sucide bombers go to Iraq from Iran?

They are not promoting suicide attacks on anyone by Iranians unless Iran is attacked. Even then their message is simply directed at U.S forces.

 

[jpeyton]

Their message: attack Iran and we will strike back.

Is it against Iran's rights to return fire at an aggressor? I think not.

 

[StormRider]

Rats, there goes my hypothesis (and hope) that Shiites don't do these kind of things....

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I thought this was real interesting, how they have seminars and attract and sign up suicide bombers at a university. And I'm not surprised it happened in Iran, a supporter and exporter of terrorism. I think it shows how in some Islamic countries that terrorism, suicide bombings, is starting to become an accepted norm where it doesn't draw as much criticism from its leaders.

How exactly is attacking the US military terrorism if the US military attacks Iran first?

...warned the United States and Britain on Saturday that they will strike coalition military bases in Iraq if Tehran's nuclear facilities are attacked.

 

[Aimster]

You also forgot to add that only 200 people attended this seminar

and when asking some of the members who attended why they attended some said "they are not interested in being a suicide bombers but rather interested in what they have to say"

If you really want to make your case against Iran/Suicide Bombers, 1,000 is a small force.

Iran has a milita of 300,000+ on top of their military/army that is ready to fight to the death for Iran. I'm sure plenty in that volunteer force would go to any means to make sure no U.S forces occupy Iran.

 

[Aimster]

Iran borders Iraq. If Iranian people were really out to blow themselves up for Islam, thousands of Iranians would be going to Iraq to blow themselves up.

Before you say "no Iranians go to Iraq", wrong. Thousands go. Iraq has some really religious Shia holy sites and Iranians have been flocking there.

99.9% of suicide bombings in Iraq (maybe world?) are a result of Arabs. Iranians are not Arab.

 

[IdioticBuffoon]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I thought this was real interesting, how they have seminars and attract and sign up suicide bombers at a university. And I'm not surprised it happened in Iran, a supporter and exporter of terrorism. I think it shows how in some Islamic countries that terrorism, suicide bombings, is starting to become an accepted norm where it doesn't draw as much criticism from its leaders.

Isn't the lack of criticism by the American public of Bush's adventures a form of acceptance of his inhumane policies? I mean he is in power for a second time because of this acceptance.

Bush set out over 4 years ago to avenge the deaths of what ... 2700 Americans? And make the world a "safer" place?

Since then, how many innocents have died as a direct result of his policies? 10 times that amount? 20 times? 30 times!!?

Sure, there is very little criticism of suicide-bombing in Iran by Iranians themselves. But isn't it the acceptance of America as a whole to allow this man to continue his misguided vision of the world?

You use daisy-cutters, they use their bodies...what's the difference?

 

[Aimster]

Since then, how many innocents have died as a direct result of his policies? 10 times that amount? 20 times? 30 times!!?

I believe 100,000+.

Iraqi civilians don't count as humans or do they?

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I thought this was real interesting, how they have seminars and attract and sign up suicide bombers at a university. And I'm not surprised it happened in Iran, a supporter and exporter of terrorism. I think it shows how in some Islamic countries that terrorism, suicide bombings, is starting to become an accepted norm where it doesn't draw as much criticism from its leaders.

Isn't the lack of criticism by the American public of Bush's adventures a form of acceptance of his inhumane policies? I mean he is in power for a second time because of this acceptance.

Bush set out over 4 years ago to avenge the deaths of what ... 2700 Americans? And make the world a "safer" place?

Since then, how many innocents have died as a direct result of his policies? 10 times that amount? 20 times? 30 times!!?

Sure, there is very little criticism of suicide-bombing in Iran by Iranians themselves. But isn't it the acceptance of America as a whole to allow this man to continue his misguided vision of the world?

You use daisy-cutters, they use their bodies...what's the difference?

lack of criticism of Bush? what? have you seen these forums or several others? How much attention, support and money Dean got for his anti-war stance? I guess 1 million protesting in Washington DC agaisnt the Iraq war was too insignificant for you.

 

[maddogchen]

I love it how in this forum everything goes back to Bush

Its like the rioters against the cartoons grouping Israel in it. Like somehow Israel is behind the everything in this world.

 

[IdioticBuffoon]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
How exactly is attacking the US military terrorism if the US military attacks Iran first?

Agreed.

And let me add, in the event of an American attack on Iran, I think they have the complete right to resist as they wish as long as they target "enemy combatants", in this case the American soldiers.

You see that? That's how an average Iranian would think. An average joe like you or me.

Iran has the right to pursue a nuclear program, including weapons. This is the only deterrent they have against an American invasion.

What gives you the right to seize the moral high ground when the greatest violator of human rights in recent memory IS the United States? Hasn't this been proven to death here?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I love it how in this forum everything goes back to Bush

Its like the rioters against the cartoons grouping Israel in it. Like somehow Israel is behind the everything in this world.

Mods didn't like my sarcasm.

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[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: StormRider
Rats, there goes my hypothesis (and hope) that Shiites don't do these kind of things....

Just because they went to a "seminar" doesn't mean they would actually go thru with it.

 

[IdioticBuffoon]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I love it how in this forum everything goes back to Bush

Its like the rioters against the cartoons grouping Israel in it. Like somehow Israel is behind the everything in this world.

It goes back to Bush and it must because this is in context of a possible invasion of Iran by America.

Originally posted by: maddogchen
lack of criticism of Bush? what? have you seen these forums or several others? How much attention, support and money Dean got for his anti-war stance? I guess 1 million protesting in Washington DC agaisnt the Iraq war was too insignificant for you.

Yes it was. After the results of the Iraq war and AFTER having known that thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians had perished in this completely ill-conceived war, it is unforgivable in my eyes.

And most impotantly, AFTER having seen that this war was not heading in ANY direction and that the eventual outcome was very uncertain, what is the excuse of putting him in power?

Now what are you gonna tell me? That Iraqi civilians are indispensable? Or that "collateral damage" is an inevitable reality of war? :roll:

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I love it how in this forum everything goes back to Bush

Its like the rioters against the cartoons grouping Israel in it. Like somehow Israel is behind the everything in this world.

It goes back to Bush and it must because this is in context of a possible invasion of Iran by America.

Originally posted by: maddogchen
lack of criticism of Bush? what? have you seen these forums or several others? How much attention, support and money Dean got for his anti-war stance? I guess 1 million protesting in Washington DC agaisnt the Iraq war was too insignificant for you.

Yes it was. After the results of the Iraq war and AFTER having known that thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians had perished in this completely ill-conceived war, it is unforgivable in my eyes.

And most impotantly, AFTER having seen that this war was not heading in ANY direction and that the eventual outcome was very uncertain, what is the excuse of putting him in power?

Now what are you gonna tell me? That Iraqi civilians are indispensable? Or that "collateral damage" is an inevitable reality of war? :roll:

There's no pleasing trolls is there? Its amazing how far they go offtopic.

 

[judasmachine]

We need to have some of those. This way all the gung ho types can put their anger in a constructive direction, and start suicide bombing Tehran.

 

[Meuge]

Nobody needs to invade Iran. We need to destroy their nuclear facilities... and possibly other research sites as well. Given the choice between unfairly depriving Iran of the chance to build nuclear weapons, and the danger that one of those weapons would kill my family or myself, I'll take the former over the latter.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Nobody needs to invade Iran. We need to destroy their nuclear facilities... and possibly other research sites as well. Given the choice between unfairly depriving Iran of the chance to build nuclear weapons, and the danger that one of those weapons would kill my family or myself, I'll take the former over the latter.

I don't think we should try to destroy their nuclear facilities. Thats a bad option IMO. We need to get the UN, specifically Russia and China to apply more pressure on them to turn things around.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Meuge
Nobody needs to invade Iran. We need to destroy their nuclear facilities... and possibly other research sites as well. Given the choice between unfairly depriving Iran of the chance to build nuclear weapons, and the danger that one of those weapons would kill my family or myself, I'll take the former over the latter.

I don't think we should try to destroy their nuclear facilities. Thats a bad option IMO. We need to get the UN, specifically Russia and China to apply more pressure on them to turn things around.

They won't.

Russia is trying to get on the good side of the Muslim world.

Russia's policy in the ME is driven by 3 factors:
1. Pleasing its own population through supporting any state which is a foe of Israel
2. Pleasing the muslims by supporting states that are foes of Israel.
3. Economic impact of their military and civilian contracts in the ME.

All of these factors contradict our policies in the ME.

And finally, both Russia and China are interested in the continuing conflict in the middle east (especially China), since it destabilizes the Western powers, and will allow them to take a more prominent role in the world.

 

[maddogchen]

I guess what gets me is this was held at a University. I wonder what the University president was thinking allowing this. I would think that most university presidents around the world would agree that a university is there to educate people so they can have a better future. Educating and recruiting people to become suicide bombers seems out of context for me. Its like encouraging them not to have a future.

 

[Aimster]

Why would Russia be anti-Israel when the largest population in Israel is Russian?

M.E military purchases from Russia is so minimal it is less than 1% of their GDP.

 

[IdioticBuffoon]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
There's no pleasing trolls is there? Its amazing how far they go offtopic.

This is the first time I'm participating in discussion with you on this topic and you start name-calling. :thumbsup:

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Meuge
Nobody needs to invade Iran. We need to destroy their nuclear facilities... and possibly other research sites as well. Given the choice between unfairly depriving Iran of the chance to build nuclear weapons, and the danger that one of those weapons would kill my family or myself, I'll take the former over the latter.

I don't think we should try to destroy their nuclear facilities. Thats a bad option IMO. We need to get the UN, specifically Russia and China to apply more pressure on them to turn things around.

They won't.

Russia is trying to get on the good side of the Muslim world.

Russia's policy in the ME is driven by 3 factors:
1. Pleasing its own population through supporting any state which is a foe of Israel
2. Pleasing the muslims by supporting states that are foes of Israel.
3. Economic impact of their military and civilian contracts in the ME.

All of these factors contradict our policies in the ME.

And finally, both Russia and China are interested in the continuing conflict in the middle east (especially China), since it destabilizes the Western powers, and will allow them to take a more prominent role in the world.

Are you still posting you ISRAEL PARANOIA BULLSHvT. Not everyone is out to get them. Get over it.

...It seems that if Israel's leaders shared the same unwarranted paranoia as you do, then they would be the greater threat of using nuclear weapons.

Israel is not better than Iran in ANY way, shape, or form. They both have extremists. They both have (had in the case of Sharon) dangerous people in power, and they both have questionable tactics in dealing with each other. To allow Israel to have nuclear weapons, simply because they are an ally of the US, and refuse that same right to Iran is unacceptable.

There will be no peace in the ME if, in an area, predominantly surrounded by muslims, the only country allowed to have nuclear weapons, is a non-muslim one.

Unacceptable!

If they were both put on the same level, i'm sure all of the problems there would not exist. But right now, Israel has all the power/sympathy. Either let Iran pursue it's program, or disallow/remove Israel's program. It's that simple.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Why would Russia be anti-Israel when the largest population in Israel is Russian?

What makes you think Russia gives a f*ck?