Hmm, no Broadwell in 2014 then ?? If that rumor is true, then 14nm ATOM may be pushed to 2015 as well.From the sources in which I confirmed the last Intel 14nm delay, I just confirmed another. Intel 14nm is STILL having yield problems. Remember Intel bragging about 14nm being a full node and deriding TSMC because 16nm is "just" 20nm with FinFETs added? Judging by the graph, clearly FinFETs are not the problem here. Intel used a much more aggressive metal fabric to get better density which is challenging modern lithography methods.
Q4 2014 then.
Also the source in that "article" is non-existent,
You mean they will release Broadwell in Q4 2014 ??
Also, that puts 14nm way beyond 24 months of 22nm release.
32nm first product release January 2010 (First gen Core i3)
22nm first product release April 2012 (IvyBridge), 27 months after 32nm
14nm first product release Q4 2014 (Broadwell), 30 months after 22nm if they will release in October.
This is the time for Intel to push harder, not ease back. They're getting into new markets, and delays like this are very, very bad in that regard.Intel is finally going to slow down the train, I am assuming. Between SB/IB/HW being more than "good enough" for basically everything, causing even enthusiasts to question the need to upgrade, the increasing costs of developing each new process, as well as the global outlook for PCs, predictable "tick tock" is dead.
Fab 42 wasn't meant to be empty. Sony just ended VAIO as we know it. Global PC sales are on a 6-quarter decline streak. Today's headline from an "emerging" BRICs market:
PC sales slump 19%, manufacturers look for exit
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...urers-look-for-exit/articleshow/30248511.cms?
Intel is finally going to slow down the train, I am assuming. Between SB/IB/HW being more than "good enough" for basically everything, causing even enthusiasts to question the need to upgrade, the increasing costs of developing each new process, as well as the global outlook for PCs, predictable "tick tock" is dead.
Fab 42 wasn't meant to be empty. Sony just ended VAIO as we know it. Global PC sales are on a 6-quarter decline streak. Today's headline from an "emerging" BRICs market:
PC sales slump 19%, manufacturers look for exit
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...urers-look-for-exit/articleshow/30248511.cms?
Reportedly, the top five notebook vendors saw their shipments grow 9% from January 2013 to January 2014.
I'd be willing to listen about 14nm delays if the information came from just about any other source, and not some TSMC shill.
A bit off topic, but I'm thrilled that Sony's out of the PC market. What terrible laptops.
Yes there could be 1 quarter delay compared to 22nm and 32nm but seeing how TSMC is struggling with 20nm (probably 3 years from 28nm to 20nm) it shouldn't surprise anyone that the timeframe is increasing from shrink to shrink.
He actually is banned from our forums, lol.Even the list of his previous articles shows his extreme bias. Besides giving TSMC a complete free pass.
Not sure why anyone even reads that rubbish. Unless they hope it to be so.
Yeah, I wouldn't call TSMC 20nm "struggling." Just slow to market.First TSMC 28nm product(FPGA) was released in Q4 2011(October), AMD officially released Tahiti(HD7970) in January 2012.
First TSMC 20nm products will be released this quarter (Q1 2014). That make it 28 months (February) or 29 months if they will release in March 2014.
He actually is banned from our forums, lol.
Yeah, I wouldn't call TSMC 20nm "struggling." Just slow to market.
@OCGuy - i am surprised india market is not growing. like china it is a huge market with a lot of first time laptop buyers. i think the marketing teams are just sleeping
This is in stark contrast to tablet and smartphone market. In India, 2.66 million tablets were sold in 2012 and while the final figures for 2013 are still not out, IDC is expecting it to be around 6 million. Also, in Q3 2013, around 12.8 million smartphone -- including those with large screens -- were sold in India, registering a year-on-year growth of 229%.
They're not slowing down the train, according to them, they're speeding up the train (as in: improving density and reducing cost/transistor even more than at the current pace). Also, the desktop market has probably bottomed.Intel is finally going to slow down the train, I am assuming. Between SB/IB/HW being more than "good enough" for basically everything, causing even enthusiasts to question the need to upgrade, the increasing costs of developing each new process, as well as the global outlook for PCs, predictable "tick tock" is dead.
Intel couldn't know that 3 years ago. According to Intel, this isn't very strange in Intel's history. Fab 42 is also ready for 450mm wafer, so it'll be useful anyway in some point in the future, because the 300mm fabs will become useless.Fab 42 wasn't meant to be empty. Sony just ended VAIO as we know it. Global PC sales are on a 6-quarter decline streak. Today's headline from an "emerging" BRICs market:
They're not slowing down the train, according to them, they're speeding up the train (as in: improving density and reducing cost/transistor even more than at the current pace). Also, the desktop market has probably bottomed.
Intel isnt alone in trimming its workforce, although its expected number of job cuts pales in comparison to Hewlett-Packards (HPQ) in-progress 34,000-position shedding. Still, Intel's planned layoff is nearly three times the size of IBMs (IBM) 1,700 employee furlough last year. For its part, newly private Dell is said to be mulling laying off thousands of sales and marketing personnel worldwidea number that could run to 9,000 people, according to some reports.
Intel already said that it aren't real layoffs: This is not a layoff. Its not a giant, one time action. This is a target employment rate for the end of the year.
Their 20nm is certainly struggling....they are bringing up the 16nm FinFET out as quickly as possibly behind it, with the first 16nm products slated to hit shelves at the end of the year.