I don't see how that contradicts what Intel said.
Intel said they are moving forward and will adjust their funding to ASML. ASML has said their other customers aren't ready to move forward with 450mm.
If anything it just confirms what Intel said.
a sound rebuttal from ASML. so who is really telling the truth.
http://blog.timesunion.com/business/asml-chip-makers-calling-shots-on-450mm-pause/59460/
I don't see how that contradicts what Intel said.
Intel said they are moving forward and will adjust their funding to ASML. ASML has said their other customers aren't ready to move forward with 450mm.
If anything it just confirms what Intel said.
Saw that Apple is rumored to release a 12 inch MacBook Air in the 4Q. What's notable is that it is rumored to not include a fan unlike the current models. I'd presume this is Broadwell-Y and not Cherry Trail or even A8 at this point.
So it does look like at least some of Broadwell is going to be released in 2014.
Intel already confirmed that in their Q1 conference call.So it does look like at least some of Broadwell is going to be released in 2014.
Here's what was told during Q4 conf call (you won't find the Q1 2014 earning call transcript unless you find a time machine first :biggrin:So it does look like at least some of Broadwell is going to be released in 2014.
The part about back to school is slightly ambiguous as it doesn't explicitly say the new designs will use Broadwell, but this is very likely.We also exit the year having made important strides on our 14-nanometer process technology. Yields improved significant in Q4 putting it squarely on track with the Broadwell production later this quarter. Our customers and partners also continue to evolve the computing exercise. By the time we enter the back to school selling season we have nearly 70 unique 2-in-1 designs with outstanding battery life and performance across a range of price points in those markets.
There's also a leaked roadmap showing Broadwell NUC end of this year: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...ll-nucs-coming-late-2014-says-leaked-roadmap/We continue to make progress with the industrys first 14nm manufacturing process and our second generation 3-D transistors. Broadwell, the first product on 14nm, is up-and-running as we demonstrated at the Intel Developer Forum in Q313. Were now planning to begin production this quarter with shipments to customers later this year.
Thanks. When was this leaked/published?Its more than just the NUC roadmap.
A typical Fjodor2001 troll posting. Just because Haswell-->Broadwell is a 18 months cycle doesn't mean all successors will be on the same release cycle.
So new Intel desktop release cycle (Haswell->Broadwell) is 18 months. Since Broadwell K is 2015Q1, Skylake will be 2016Q3.
Skylake in 2016, certainly H2, doesn't make any sense because Intel will start 10nm production in 2015.
Hell, they just started volume production of 16nm in Q1 2014 and you say they will start 10nm in 2015 ?? Even with 24 months, 10nm is going to be Q1 2016 the earliest. Add the market conditions and any R&D/Yield delays and 10nm could easily go to late 2016 or even early 2017.
Intel stated they'll start production (in Q4 obviously), so availability in Q1 2016 is unlikely. I think if Intel still wants to keep their Tick-Tock model, they should release Skylake in 2015. But now they have a second architecture for a new market that can give them a lot of money, so maybe they'll shift things a bit.
Cannonlake is realistically a 2017 product given that the 2 years time frame between two nodes is not the case anymore. Skylake on the other side don't need to deal with a new process and its issues unlike Broadwell. Broadwell for desktop wasn't even planned, hence why there is a Haswell refresh coming next month and for desktop only Broadwell-K and no other models. To rule out Skylake for H2 2015 based on that is nonsense.
To rule out Skylake for H2 2015 based on that is nonsense.