Sempron prices listed, looks good for socket 754 people UPDATE REVIEW 3100+

[Vette73]

Saw on the front page the prices for Semprons...

Sempron 3100+ Socket 754 August $124
Sempron 2800+ Socket A August $103
Sempron 2600+ Socket A August $79
Sempron 2500+ Socket A August $69


Socket A looks OK, but damm $124 for a (I am guessing) 2Ghz to 2.2Ghz chip looks real nice.


The closest thing P4 has is a 533Mhz FSB 2.4Ghz chip at $121, No 800Mhz FSB P4 comes close. So the sempron if it comes out at $124 (or less when it hits the open market) looks to be a winner and also should clock well on newwer 754 chipsets.


UPDATE.

Juts saw this early review of the 3100+ socket 754 sempron
It runs at 1.8Ghz and has 256kb of L2 cache. Is around the same performnace as a 2800+ A64

Early review

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The mentioned increased power requirements at the rated speeds gives me pause as to wether these will ramp well in it's first incarnation. Besides I'd pony up the extra cash for a A64 2800+ over it if leaving sktA behind.

 

[Falloutboy]

I'm guessing the socket 754 based one should be a pretty peppy chip. my guess is it would out perform a 2800, at least until 64bit catches on.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Falloutboy525
I'm guessing the socket 754 based one should be a pretty peppy chip. my guess is it would out perform a 2800, at least until 64bit catches on.

You may be right about that, I have serious reservations about it though for various reasons. The biggest reason I remain skeptical is how undeserving the Barton 3200+ is of it's rating. Until benchies show the skt754 3100+ Sempron can outperform a A64 3000+ it's just a number thrown out there by AMD to me

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
The mentioned increased power requirements at the rated speeds gives me pause as to wether these will ramp well in it's first incarnation. Besides I'd pony up the extra cash for a A64 2800+ over it if leaving sktA behind.

ya not for 2x-4x the price though. Semiporn for me. well have o see performance first though.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
The mentioned increased power requirements at the rated speeds gives me pause as to wether these will ramp well in it's first incarnation. Besides I'd pony up the extra cash for a A64 2800+ over it if leaving sktA behind.

ya not for 2x-4x the price though. Semiporn for me. well have o see performance first though.

For skt754? $124 for a Sempron 3100+ compared to a 2800+@$50 or so more is hardly 2-4x the price, and having NX and 64bit capabilities easily make it worth the price difference to my mind even if the Semoron lives up to the PR. Unless it turns out to ramp well initially which I somehow doubt. It'll surprise me if for sktA it can overmatch your Barton-M@2.6ghz even overclocked.

 

[Zebo]

Wait that's not even fair. You take the highest end most expensive Semiporn and compare it to the lowest end newcastle. I said 2x-4x with the following assumption is mind.

4x = Just getting the $69 2500+ Semiporn and using your existing Socket A mobo and updating Bios. Vs. A64 2800+ $180 + new mobo $90.

$69 vs $270


3x = Getting the $100 2800+ Semiporn and using your existing Socket A mobo and updating Bios. Vs. A64 2800+ $180 + new mobo $90.

$100 vs $270


2x = Getting the $69 2500+ Semiporn and getting a $54 AN35N. Vs. A64 2800+ $180 + new mobo $90.

$123 vs $270

2x? = Getting the $124 socket 754 Semiporn adding mobo $90. VS. A64 2800+ $180 + new mobo $90

$214 vs $270

Well not quite 2x and in the last case I think it's better to get the hardcore pron version here, the A64. But the others offer great value to the venerable socket A holders (assuming good performance) and jives with what I meant.

 

[Vette73]

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Don't forget these are the MSRP prices, NOT what they will sale at prices. So will probable be lowwer?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Wait that's not even fair. You take the highest end most expensive Semiporn and compare it to the lowest end newcastle. I said 2x-4x with the following assumption is mind.

4x = Just getting the $69 2500+ Semiporn and using your existing Socket A mobo and updating Bios. Vs. A64 2800+ $180 + new mobo $90.

$69 vs $270


3x = Getting the $100 2800+ Semiporn and using your existing Socket A mobo and updating Bios. Vs. A64 2800+ $180 + new mobo $90.

$100 vs $270


2x = Getting the $69 2500+ Semiporn and getting a $54 AN35N. Vs. A64 2800+ $180 + new mobo $90.

$123 vs $270

2x? = Getting the $124 socket 754 Semiporn adding mobo $90. VS. A64 2800+ $180 + new mobo $90

$214 vs $270

Well not quite 2x and in the last case I think it's better to get the hardcore pron version here, the A64. But the others offer great value to the venerable socket A holders (assuming good performance) and jives with what I meant.

Certainly it will become a great value for enthusiasts if/when/once it proves it can ramp and perform well vs a Barton-M. You have 1@2.6ghz Zebo, that's gonna take some doing for sktA Sempron to surpass. Since it doesn't have the on-die controller will it bear the 2500+ rating at the same clockspeed the skt754 Sempron 3100+ has?

Don't get me wrong, it's going to in all likelyhood be a Celeron killer, but for enthusiasts it has a lot to prove before acquiring the title of price-to-performance champ IMHO. Those numbers you provided mean little if your Barton mobile@2.6ghz still out performs it The point being that I'm not going to embrace the first gen of Sempron for any skt until it proves it's worthy, and it has a tough act to follow in the sktA arena right now. If the smaller cache on the skt754 model shows the small hit going from 1mb to 512kb has,, then combined with the on-die memory controller it could prove to be a budget gamers best friend given how well A64 2800+ does against a Barton with a 400mhz advantage.

 

[dudeman007]

AWESOME. Thanks for the update

 

[lookouthere]

isn't Sempron just another name for AthlonXP?
as AthlonXP take over the Duron as the low-end?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: lookouthere
isn't Sempron just another name for AthlonXP?
as AthlonXP take over the Duron as the low-end?

For the most part. But AMD, like Intel, does not want there low-end product to have any type of name like their mid/high end level product. That way consumers will be more ok spending more on the ATHLON line or Pent. line because of the name.

 

[Budman]

I wonder how well that Sempron 2500+ Socket A will overclock.

 

[Vette73]

UPDATE.

Juts saw this early review of the 3100+ socket 754 sempron
It runs at 1.8Ghz and has 256kb of L2 cache. Is around the same performnace as a 2800+ A64

Early review

 

[Zebo]

Repost

 

[Vette73]

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Yea that one is a repost of THIS thread.. "06/18/2004 03:45 PM "

 

[Sonic587]

The new 'ron doesn't look half bad. Any news on if this will make the jump to skt939 in the near future? It would make for a compelling reason to go that upgrade route.

 

[LTC8K6]

Why bother with a 32bit CPU from AMD at this point?

I guess the reasoning is you'd buy a 64bit chip later on, but I'd rather go ahead and go 64bit if I am going to put together a new system.

 

[bobbyk]

one thing to remember is that the sempron is in a separate family. I think amd is trying to say that it would be comparable to a celeron running at 3.1Ghz not an a64. The a64 family is higher up so it shouldn't compare down. A p4 2.8 still clobers the new celeron. (as an example)

 

[Falloutboy]

wow the 3100 isn't looking all that bad. although not much of a deal with neweggs 2800 and a KV8 for 200 deal going on

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Falloutboy
wow the 3100 isn't looking all that bad. although not much of a deal with neweggs 2800 and a KV8 for 200 deal going on

Do you have a link on that fallout? I looked on the specials page and afet about 12 pages got flusterd...

 

[Falloutboy]

its in the hotdeals forum do a search for 280 or something i'm sure it will come up

 

[Concillian]

The thing that is most interesting to me is that the 1.8GHz Sempron 3100+ seems very close in performance to the 1.8GHz Athlon64 2800+... so they are NOT taking that much of a hit, at least on the benchmarks in that article. My guess is that they will o/c okay too, as AMD is probably keeping the clock speed atrifically low so they don't end up with faster processors than the low end A64s.

If they had a 2.0 GHz sempron, it looks as if that would be faster than an A64 2800+, and tehy'd probably have to price it lower than the A64 2800+, so they'd have very low demand for the 2800+ processors... as a result, I expect the Semprons to OC pretty well.

 

[Killrose]

AMD is showing how crappy and full of holes their PRating scheme is. I mean, if you have a 2800+ and a 3100+, no matter what the chip archetecture, the 3100+ should beat the 2800+ ALL the time

 

[Falloutboy]

Originally posted by: Killrose
AMD is showing how crappy and full of holes their PRating scheme is. I mean, if you have a 2800+ and a 3100+, no matter what the chip archetecture, the 3100+ should beat the 2800+ ALL the time

no the 3100 raiting is supposed to be for comparison to the 3.1 ghz celly when it comes out