Senate Intel report: Russia Tried To Help Trump Win 2016 Election

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I thought it was because Putin hated Hillary with a passion.

Fanatical Meat, it's time to #walkaway.

A bit but I think the above is more likely.
I'm not walking away from something the Intelligence community and pretty much every expert matter on the subject agrees with. You can choose to ignore it. That is your choice, I'd prefer guys like you start holding the President accountable/.
 

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The article mentioned it, I was simply pointing it out. I suppose if Democrats truly want to protect our democracy and get to the bottom of how the Russians pulled off what they did, some criticism will eventually and necessarily also target the Obama Administration and social media.

It’s an inconvenient truth.

So, it's Obama's fault somehow that 63M Americans let themselves be chumped by decades of relentless right wing agitprop, Trump & Russian psyops?

Anybody who falls back on the whole crooked Hillary routine is still chumped.
 

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The article mentioned it, I was simply pointing it out. I suppose if Democrats truly want to protect our democracy and get to the bottom of how the Russians pulled off what they did, some criticism will eventually and necessarily also target the Obama Administration and social media.

It’s an inconvenient truth.

I dont care if Obama administration gets reviewed, I won't ignore the political environment he operated in either.
 
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A bit but I think the above is more likely.
I'm not walking away from something the Intelligence community and pretty much every expert matter on the subject agrees with. You can choose to ignore it. That is your choice, I'd prefer guys like you start holding the President accountable/.
Wut? I'm not ignoring a damn thing. I agree with you that Russia wanted Trump to win. But the Intelligence community and pretty much every expert on the subject actually doesn't know whether or not his support was motivated by revenge against Clinton (which appears quite likely based on what Clinton did to Putin after the 2011 election).

Yet you ask that I hold Trump accountable in this context...please elaborate.
 
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Wut? I'm not ignoring a damn thing. I agree with you that Russia wanted Trump to win. But the Intelligence community and pretty much every expert on the subject actually don't know whether or not his support was motivated by revenge against Clinton (which appears quite likely based on what Clinton did to Putin after the 2011 election).

Yet you ask that I hold Trump accountable in this context...please elaborate.

I apologize, I made assumptions and misunderstood.

I mean hold him accountable when he suggests a perverted guy should win to make Trumps agenda easier or when he consistently says he doesn't know if Russia meddled or when your buddies put something on Facebook about Trump being the toughest guy on Russia Ever.
That type basic stuff.

*For the record a guy I used to work with whom I still find pretty interesting used to post all sorts of Trump crap that is well....crap and verifiable untrue.
He "un-friended" me after posting known Russian Propaganda. I called him out on it and that was the last I heard from him.
Also I understand its propaganda, its designed to go after what you believe. I'm not claiming someone is weak for believing it. I do feel its all of our responsibility to correct people when they spread it.
 
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Jhhnn

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Wut? I'm not ignoring a damn thing. I agree with you that Russia wanted Trump to win. But the Intelligence community and pretty much every expert on the subject actually doesn't know whether or not his support was motivated by revenge against Clinton (which appears quite likely based on what Clinton did to Putin after the 2011 election).

Yet you ask that I hold Trump accountable in this context...please elaborate.

That's ridiculous. Clinton's competence would thwart Putin's geopolitical ambitions. What we get instead is Trump tearing down the unity of America & the West which plays right into his hands. Just because Trump & Tillerson ran a wrecking ball through the State Dept, for example, doesn't mean the Russian equivalent isn't as strong as ever. Just because we're renouncing trade agreement left & right doesn't mean the Russians aren't trying to forge ones of their own to obtain greater world market share.

This Trumpian notion that we can lead the free world via bullying is pure folly.
 

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Wut? I'm not ignoring a damn thing. I agree with you that Russia wanted Trump to win. But the Intelligence community and pretty much every expert on the subject actually doesn't know whether or not his support was motivated by revenge against Clinton (which appears quite likely based on what Clinton did to Putin after the 2011 election).

Yet you ask that I hold Trump accountable in this context...please elaborate.
It could also be that Putin has more leverage over Trump to do his bidding than he did over Clinton.
 
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I apologize, I made assumptions and misunderstood.

I mean hold him accountable when he suggests a perverted guy should win to make Trumps agenda easier or when he consistently says he doesn't know if Russia meddled or when your buddies put something on Facebook about Trump being the toughest guy on Russia Ever.
That type basic stuff.
I hold Trump accountable for being a complete buffoon. But, so far, I see no compelling evidence of Russian collusion. That said, I will defer to Mueller's report as the final authority on this matter (which has all the markings of an insane conspiracy theory imo).
 
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That's ridiculous. Clinton's competence would thwart Putin's geopolitical ambitions. What we get instead is Trump tearing down the unity of America & the West which plays right into his hands. Just because Trump & Tillerson ran a wrecking ball through the State Dept, for example, doesn't mean the Russian equivalent isn't as strong as ever. Just because we're renouncing trade agreement left & right doesn't mean the Russians aren't trying to forge ones of their own to obtain greater world market share.

This Trumpian notion that we can lead the free world via bullying is pure folly.
We do know that Putin was really pissed at Clinton. And I highly doubt Putin was afraid of her as you speculate without any basis in fact.
 

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We do know that Putin was really pissed at Clinton. And I highly doubt Putin was afraid of her as you speculate without any basis in fact.

We also know that Russia played both sides. The reason for that is likely that he wanted to cause internal fighting within the country. I think Trump fits multiple roles in that not only is he not Hillary, not only does Trump have relations with Russia, but Trump winning would piss off many while causing a shitstorm while being POTUS.
 
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We also know that Russia played both sides. The reason for that is likely that he wanted to cause internal fighting within the country. I think Trump fits multiple roles in that not only is he not Hillary, not only does Trump have relations with Russia, but Trump winning would piss off many while causing a shitstorm while being POTUS.
I believe the Russians were surprised as anyone that Trump won....but I'm sure they're loving all the discord.
 

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Wut? I'm not ignoring a damn thing. I agree with you that Russia wanted Trump to win. But the Intelligence community and pretty much every expert on the subject actually doesn't know whether or not his support was motivated by revenge against Clinton (which appears quite likely based on what Clinton did to Putin after the 2011 election).

Yet you ask that I hold Trump accountable in this context...please elaborate.
Now that the final determination has been release holding Trump accountable for continuing to sow doubt about the findings. Hold him accountable for failing to act in preventing the next attack which the same people agree will happen. Our intel agencies have stated in hearings not nearly enough has been done to prevent the next attack and Trump has held no meetings with his top department heads. This sounds like malpractice of a President.

Imagine if GW Bush continued to doubt the guilt of OBL and made no directives to the various agencies on how we are going to shore up our defenses after 9/11.
 
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Now that the final determination has been release holding Trump accountable for continuing to sow doubt about the findings. Hold him accountable for failing to act in preventing the next attack which the same people agree will happen. Our intel agencies have stated in hearings not nearly enough has been done to prevent the next attack and Trump has held no meetings with his top department heads. This sounds like malpractice of a President.

Imagine if GW Bush continued to doubt the guilt of OBL and made no directives to the various agencies on how we are going to shore up our defenses after 9/11.
You're worried that Trump will pull an Obama? That's a hoot!
 
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Like actually having a pee tape?

I'm not so sure of the pee tape but context is important.
The tape isn't Trump asking to be pee'd on or him doing the peeing, its Trump staying in the same hotel room as Obama and him asking a Hooker to pee on the bed where Obama slept.
That sounds a lot more believable but I'm still not sold on that idea.
 

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I hold Trump accountable for being a complete buffoon. But, so far, I see no compelling evidence of Russian collusion. That said, I will defer to Mueller's report as the final authority on this matter (which has all the markings of an insane conspiracy theory imo).

Just forget collusion for the moment, OK? Forget Mueller, as well.

The Russians knew Trump was an unbelievably gifted con artist when they threw in for him. When you put yourself in their shoes it's easy to understand why they did it. We're all fucked up while they forge ahead.
 

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You're worried that Trump will pull an Obama? That's a hoot!

This whole blame Obama routine is quite lame. Conservatives need to blame themselves for being chumps to divisive & hateful rhetoric they've embraced for decades culminating in Trump's election.
 
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