Senate Intel report: Russia Tried To Help Trump Win 2016 Election

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This whole blame Obama routine is quite lame. Conservatives need to blame themselves for being chumps to divisive & hateful rhetoric they've embraced for decades culminating in Trump's election.
What should Trump do if another Ukraine or Crimea occurs? The same thing Obama did?
 

HomerJS

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You're worried that Trump will pull an Obama? That's a hoot!
Bigger hoot, I thought Trump was better then everything the negro ever did. At least according to Trump.

Obama did take action. He wanted to do more but got ho help from the Republicans and he was concerned about appearances of trying to swing the election. Something people like you would have screamed.

Trump on the other hand has taken no actions to protect this country from the next attack.
 
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What should Trump do if another Ukraine or Crimea occurs? The same thing Obama did?

Obviously not what has failed in the past.
Armchair quarterbacking is easy. Doing something is hard.

Seriously what is the point. Obama’s policy regarding Crimea failed. You were right is that what you wanted?
 

Jaskalas

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What should Trump do if another Ukraine or Crimea occurs? The same thing Obama did?

NATO was caught off guard.
We should be on high alert with sufficient forward deployment of military assets that the next time territory is taken we go in with weapons hot.
 

blackangst1

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The lingering question is did the Trump campaign, or Trump himself, criminally collude with Russia, or did Trump obstruct investigations into said collusion. The Mueller investigation continues.

Pretty much this. The fact Russia interfered with blitz campaigning is old news at this point.
 
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DaveSimmons

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The article mentioned it, I was simply pointing it out. I suppose if Democrats truly want to protect our democracy and get to the bottom of how the Russians pulled off what they did, some criticism will eventually and necessarily also target the Obama Administration and social media.

It’s an inconvenient truth.

Exactly. Obama's administration, Facebook, Twitter, etc. all failed the American people by allowing the Russians to interfere in our elections.

It's true that if Obama had tried to act sooner and more aggressively the GOP might have attacked him over it and possibly tried to block those actions, but it's still wrong to give Obama a pass on this one.

Russia meddled to help Trump, Trump and/or his staff might have colluded, Obama, Facebook and Twitter were asleep at the wheel.

Also, I've sadly come to the realization that Trump might have won the electoral vote even without Russia. As incompetent and corrupt as he seems to educated observers there are vast numbers of mostly less educated or older white folks who see him as "their guy" who really can MAGA.
 
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Bigger hoot, I thought Trump was better then everything the negro ever did. At least according to Trump.
Trump never said he was better than everything the "negro" ever did. That's a lie.

Obama did take action. He wanted to do more but got ho help from the Republicans and he was concerned about appearances of trying to swing the election. Something people like you would have screamed.

Trump on the other hand has taken no actions to protect this country from the next attack.
And Republicans were all over Obama's ass for his feckless and pathetic reaction to Crimea and the Ukraine. Your incredibly twisted alternate reality is truly amazing.
 
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NATO was caught off guard.
We should be on high alert with sufficient forward deployment of military assets that the next time territory is taken we go in with weapons hot.
ROFLMAO. All this rationalization and dishonesty is killing me.
 
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Trump never said he was better than everything the "negro" ever did. That's a lie.


And Republicans were all over Obama's ass for his feckless and pathetic reaction to Crimea and the Ukraine. Your incredibly twisted alternate reality is truly amazing.
So where are they now? This is what I meant about take your party back.
Where are the Republicans that want more action done to Russia? Where are they when the President drags his feet?
 

zinfamous

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What talking points. It’s widely accepted now that Russia meddled in our election. The OP’s article explicitely says as much in non partisan terms:

“The U.S. House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, dominated by Republicans sympathetic to Trump, found no conclusive evidence proving collusion. But House panel Republicans, in a report on April 27, did say that Russia ran an information warfare campaign to disrupt the election.”

The article is even surprisingly generous to Trump:

The lingering question is did the Trump campaign, or Trump himself, criminally collude with Russia, or did Trump obstruct investigations into said collusion. The Mueller investigation continues.

Ruh roh, look what else the article mentions:

“Committee Democrats also are collaborating with Republicans on an inquiry that is likely to cite former President Barack Obama and his administration for moving too slowly to probe evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Committee Democrats and Republicans also are working together on an examination of the role social media played in influencing U.S. voters, and may hold hearings on that issue.”

Essentially, the Obama administration made the only proper decision you could make out of two terrible options. At the same time, they were not informed of the thoroughly sourced and well-vetted intelligence within the Steele dossier to even factor that in prior to the election. Obama wanted to release a join statement, with Mitch, about what he and everyone else in the community knew about Russia's meddling. It was the only proper action, for anyone that is in any way tasked with serving and defending this country, but of course Mitch said no, because he's a petulant bitch that only ever thinks self and party ahead of country.

Obama's decision, then, was either to go it alone and inform the public from a partisan angle and be endlessly excoriated by the retard rightwing media for meddling in the election (and, to be fair--it would certainly appear to be a legitimate concern at the time, would it not?), or keep quiet and assume the better heads and adults would prevail, as all the data said it would, and the clown wouldn't be elected, so no need to go into detail about how thoroughly compromised the American public was wrg to the elections, by an aggressor state.
 

zinfamous

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The article mentioned it, I was simply pointing it out. I suppose if Democrats truly want to protect our democracy and get to the bottom of how the Russians pulled off what they did, some criticism will eventually and necessarily also target the Obama Administration and social media.

It’s an inconvenient truth.

This has already been out in public for a long time, anyway. The timeline is thoroughly established, about what was know, by whom, when, and what actions were deliberately not taken, and why. Of course these committees are going to be reviewing everything again with a finer comb, as they do, which is fine and necessary, but it's not like there hasn't been any criticism lobbed against the Obama administration for the way this was handled.

Of course the wise readers would put themselves in those shoes, at that time point during the election, and mull their heads over the decisions and what is proper. Presidents have a tough job and no decision is clear or easy. It's why, proven again and again and again and again, Trump is wholly incapable of doing this job.
 
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So where are they now? This is what I meant about take your party back.
Where are the Republicans that want more action done to Russia? Where are they when the President drags his feet?
Trump agreed to the sanctions. What is your true beef here...that he didn't do it fast enough for you?

BTW, where were the Democrats when Russia was taking over Crimea and Ukraine? Or, when the Obama administration first realized Russia was attempting to influence our election?
 

ivwshane

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Trump agreed to the sanctions. What is your true beef here...that he didn't do it fast enough for you?

BTW, where were the Democrats when Russia was taking over Crimea and Ukraine? Or, when the Obama administration first realized Russia was attempting to influence our election?

No where to be found.

So now back to the present...
 

Jhhnn

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So, we have Trump chumps telling us that Obama should have done more to warn us about the Russians when the Russians merely echoed the messaging of Trump & the GOP. You know, as if they might have listened in the midst of their witch burning.

Don't blame the people who tried to warn you. Blame yourselves for thinking with the head of your dick instead of the head on your shoulders.
 

DaveSimmons

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So, we have Trump chumps telling us that Obama should have done more to warn us about the Russians when the Russians merely echoed the messaging of Trump & the GOP. You know, as if they might have listened in the midst of their witch burning.

Don't blame the people who tried to warn you. Blame yourselves for thinking with the head of your dick instead of the head on your shoulders.

I voted for Clinton. Not because I like her, I just expected her to be much closer to a moderate than either Trump or Sanders. I was also hoping to get a First Laddie into the white house

https://www.deviantart.com/sharpwriter/art/Bill-Clinton-the-Lady-Killer-357619589
 
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