Senate opens flag-burning debate

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chowderhead

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just failed in the Senate 66-34 by one vote. Shame on all those Senators and House of Reps who voted to restrict free speech.
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: chowderhead
just failed in the Senate 66-34 by one vote. Shame on all those Senators and House of Reps who voted to restrict free speech.

Why do those 34 hate 'Merica? Oh well, back to bashing gays, illegals and keeping feeding tubes inserted.
 

daniel49

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How your Senate voted:


Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Nay
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Nay
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Nay
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r....cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00189
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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The first time McConnell's done something right!

But, Sen. Fristian is 0-3 now. :laugh:
 

2Xtreme21

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How come most of the dems are the ones voting Nay? Wasn't it "Do you support an amendment prohibiting flag burning"?
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
How come most of the dems are the ones voting Nay? Wasn't it "Do you support an amendment prohibiting flag burning"?

Nay is no, so they do not support an amendment.
 

2Xtreme21

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OH, I read the post as "in one vote" and not taking into account the 2/3rds rule for amendments. Gotcha.
 

chowderhead

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Todd33
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea - jeesh...

surprised me too.

why? She supported the amendment the last time in 2000 ... being one of 58 co-sponsors of the bill. At least in the House, the number of members voting no increased.
 

Pens1566

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On to the important issues like discriminating against gays, and finding out how Battlefield 2 is secretly a tool for the terrists.
 

2Xtreme21

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Originally posted by: Strk
At least my senators are good for something.

Yeah, must be nice to have good senators. Although Santorum will be gone and all will be good next year.
 

wirelessenabled

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I consider myself patriotic, and treat our flag with utmost respect. Flag burning pisses me off, and I saw a lot of it in the '60s. But, one of the great things about this country is we let you say you hate it if you want. I think anybody for this deal needs a civics lesson or some brain food. The politicians pushing this are fools or idiots if they really belive this needs to be done, and worse if it is just a scam for votes.

The Constitution is critical to the continued success of our nation and should only be modified when there is an oportunity to make us a better nation. Careful thought, enlightened debate, and cool heads are what we should require before taking such a serious step.

Those who ignore it, or consider it a triffling matter to tamper with it discust me.



Of course then there is Bush's opinion on the Constitution Constitution is just a godda...d piece of paper.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I consider myself patriotic, and treat our flag with utmost respect. Flag burning pisses me off, and I saw a lot of it in the '60s. But, one of the great things about this country is we let you say you hate it if you want. I think anybody for this deal needs a civics lesson or some brain food. The politicians pushing this are fools or idiots if they really belive this needs to be done, and worse if it is just a scam for votes.

The Constitution is critical to the continued success of our nation and should only be modified when there is an oportunity to make us a better nation. Careful thought, enlightened debate, and cool heads are what we should require before taking such a serious step.

Those who ignore it, or consider it a triffling matter to tamper with it discust me.



Of course then there is Bush's opinion on the Constitution Constitution is just a godda...d piece of paper.

Wow. And I didn't think he could go any lower. Don't like the constitution, go to Russia.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Strk
At least my senators are good for something.

Yeah, me too...I'm not particularly fond of my senators...but at least they stood up for something.
 

RichardE

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Rejected!

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 7 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - A constitutional amendment to ban flag desecration died in a Senate cliffhanger Tuesday, a single vote short of the support needed to send it to the states for ratification and four months before voters elect a new Congress.

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The 66-34 tally in favor of the amendment was one less than the two-thirds required. The House surpassed that threshold last year, 286-130.

The proposed amendment, sponsored by Sen. Orrin Hatch (news, bio, voting record), R-Utah, read: "The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States."

It represented Congress' response to Supreme Court rulings in 1989 and 1990 that burning and other desecrations of the flag are protected as free speech by the First Amendment to the Constitution.

Senate supporters said the flag amounts to a national monument in cloth that represents freedom and the sacrifice of American troops.

"Countless men and women have died defending that flag," said Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., closing two days of debate. "It is but a small humble act for us to defend it."

Opponents said the amendment would violate the First Amendment right to free speech. And some Democrats complained that majority Republicans were exploiting people's patriotism for political advantage in the midterm elections.

"Our country's unique because our dissidents have a voice," said Sen. Daniel Inouye (news, bio, voting record), D-Hawaii, a World War II veteran who lost an arm in the war and was decorated with the Medal of Honor.

"While I take offense at disrespect to the flag," he said, "I nonetheless believe it is my continued duty as a veteran, as an American citizen, and as a United States senator to defend the constitutional right of protesters to use the flag in nonviolent speech."

Among possible presidential contenders in 2008, six voted yes: Democrat Evan Bayh of Indiana and Republicans George Allen of Virginia, Sam Brownback of Kansas, Frist, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, and John McCain of Arizona. Five, all Democrats, voted no: Joseph Biden of Delaware, Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, Russell Feingold of Wisconsin, John Kerry of Massachusetts.

The Senate also rejected an alternative put forward by assistant Democratic leader Dick Durbin of Illinois. It would have made it against the law to damage the flag on federal land or with the intent of breaching the peace or intimidation. It also would have prohibited unapproved demonstrations at military funerals.

The last time the Senate considered the amendment, in 2000, it fell four votes short of what was needed. Both sides predicted rightly before Tuesday's vote that it would get more support.

The last proposed constitutional amendment that Congress sent to the states for ratification was the Equal Rights Amendment in 1972. The normal seven-year deadline for state ratification was extended to 1982, but the ERA couldn't muster the approval of more than 35 state legislatures, three short of the three-fourths of states required under the Constitution.

The 26th Amendment, guaranteeing 18-year-olds the right to vote, was approved by Congress in March 1971 and was ratified by the states less than four months later.

The 27th Amendment, ratified in 1992, was first proposed in 1789. It says pay raises that Congress votes for itself can't take effect until after the next election for members of the House.

The House also got into the July Fourth spirit Tuesday by passing on a voice vote a measure that would bar condominium and homeowner associations from restricting how the flag can be displayed.

Sponsored by Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (news, bio, voting record), R-Md., the resolution would prohibit those groups from preventing residents from displaying an American flag on their own property. The Senate is considering whether to bring up the measure this year.
 

HomerJS

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Have an idea that would end these stupid get out the base ploys...

The Dems should attach an ammendment for a constitutional ban to outlaw divorce. It's a two fold strike. First it would stop the gay bashing under the guise of preserving the "sanctity of marriage". We all know divorce is more of a threat to marriage then gay people getting married. Second it shows how silly amending the constitution is for these kinds of things.
 

mc00

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anyone has link to the list of senators the voted yes and no, I need to add those senator(for NYC) the vote yes and add them to my sh1t list..
 

alien42

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i am appalled that we were a single vote away from losing part of our first amendment rights. this great nation seems to be corroding faster then i could ever imagine.
 
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