I only play grammar police when someone is attacking another's intelligence while demonstrating the inadequacies of their own. People who live in glass houses ...
I only play grammar police when someone is attacking another's intelligence while demonstrating the inadequacies of their own. People who live in glass houses ...Originally posted by: daniel49
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(PS. If you're going to call others an idiot, you might want to learn the difference between "your" and "you're". Might give your opinion a tad more credibility.)
Even though you still had to play grammer police. ...
Amen! That is far more disrespectful to America and our principles than all the flag burning in history. Well said.Originally posted by: DealMonkey
And furthermore, those same pandering, superficially-patriotic senators would do better to focus on the things that really do tarnish America's image. Baseless, pre-emptive wars based on a pile of fabricated BS. Torture. Indefinite imprisonment. Spying on its own citizens and the world's citizens. Flipping off the international community of virtually every single issue.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
The flag is not America. It is a symbol, a symbol not just of America, but of America's most noble principles like liberty and justice and equality. The very first such liberty, from the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights is freedom of speech. It is fundamental to America's greatness. Compromising the principles America and the American flag represent doesn't show respect. It shows disdain, even outright contempt. It shows that you don't really believe in America's principles, that the symbol of liberty has somehow become more important than the actual liberty it symbolizes. As MB pointed out so eloquently, that is "servile symbol worship", not respect for America.
Those things hurt this country even more than burning some inanimate object.
As usual, our Congress and our Administration have their priorities ass-backwards.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I only play grammar police when someone is attacking another's intelligence while demonstrating the inadequacies of their own. People who live in glass houses ...Originally posted by: daniel49
[ ... ]Originally posted by: Bowfinger
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(PS. If you're going to call others an idiot, you might want to learn the difference between "your" and "you're". Might give your opinion a tad more credibility.)
Even though you still had to play grammer police. ...
The flag is not America. It is a symbol, a symbol not just of America, but of America's most noble principles like liberty and justice and equality. The very first such liberty, from the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights is freedom of speech. It is fundamental to America's greatness. Compromising the principles America and the American flag represent doesn't show respect. It shows disdain, even outright contempt. It shows that you don't really believe in America's principles, that the symbol of liberty has somehow become more important than the actual liberty it symbolizes. As MB pointed out so eloquently, that is "servile symbol worship", not respect for America.
Originally posted by: Kevin
The flag is not America. It is a symbol, a symbol not just of America, but of America's most noble principles like liberty and justice and equality. The very first such liberty, from the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights is freedom of speech. It is fundamental to America's greatness. Compromising the principles America and the American flag represent doesn't show respect. It shows disdain, even outright contempt. It shows that you don't really believe in America's principles, that the symbol of liberty has somehow become more important than the actual liberty it symbolizes. As MB pointed out so eloquently, that is "servile symbol worship", not respect for America.
Nice post but what you fail to realize is in reality the flag is what gives us the bill of rights, it is the precursor to our entire nation. If the flag was not flying, we'd have nothing. The flag symbolizes everything that is America - both the good and the bad. Something that important and that powerful shouldn't be "disrespected". Unfortunately there should be no need for a law banning flagging as people should just not do it. However we live in a "me" society where people do things just because they can.
Here's a very basic example. If you were living under another flag, say the flag of China, you'd be subject to censorship where a threat like this one would probably not exist.
Originally posted by: Kevin
Your thinking is too narrow.
If 2 nations are at war and one is conquered, the "winning" nation flies their flag over the defeated land and the citizens are subject to the "winning" nation's law. The presence (or absence) of a flag is what grants (or forbids) freedoms. A USA flag flying over USA soil is the reson we have the Constitution and the Bill of the Rights.
Originally posted by: Kevin
Believe what you want, the flag grants you that freedom...
Originally posted by: Kevin
I'm not admitting I'm wrong, I just don't want to debate you all night so I will leave you with this:
The Declaration of Independance was signed in 1776 and the US Constitution was completed in 1787. However a flag existed before these 2 very important documents were ever created hence the flag is the precursor to everything our nation is built on.
Good night...
Hehe, surely this joker is pulling our leg. Most people are of the opinion that it's the presence of troops that grants or forbids freedoms in these cases. If not we should tell Bush to raise the flag in Iraq and send the troops home. And the fact that the flag is typically lowered at night must be the reason for these night long anarchy reigns we've been seeing.Originally posted by: Kevin
Your thinking is too narrow.
If 2 nations are at war and one is conquered, the "winning" nation flies their flag over the defeated land and the citizens are subject to the "winning" nation's law. The presence (or absence) of a flag is what grants (or forbids) freedoms. A USA flag flying over USA soil is the reson we have the Constitution and the Bill of the Rights.
Yeah, I was tapping my sarcasm meter, but it seems to be on the fritz. It's an interesting theory, however. I always thought one took down the flag because it is raining, for example. Apparently, it is taking down the flag that causes the rain. I also like the idea of bringing democracy to the world simply by raising a flag. That would be so much easier and less bloody than all that diplomacy and saber-rattling and invasions and such.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Hehe, surely this joker is pulling our leg. Most people are of the opinion that it's the presence of troops that grants or forbids freedoms in these cases. If not we should tell Bush to raise the flag in Iraq and send the troops home. And the fact that the flag is typically lowered at night must be the reason for these night long anarchy reigns we've been seeing.Originally posted by: Kevin
Your thinking is too narrow.
If 2 nations are at war and one is conquered, the "winning" nation flies their flag over the defeated land and the citizens are subject to the "winning" nation's law. The presence (or absence) of a flag is what grants (or forbids) freedoms. A USA flag flying over USA soil is the reson we have the Constitution and the Bill of the Rights.
I'm walking around with a US flag stuffed in my pants as we speak!Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Yeah, I was tapping my sarcasm meter, but it seems to be on the fritz. It's an interesting theory, however. I always thought one took down the flag because it is raining, for example. Apparently, it is taking down the flag that causes the rain. I also like the idea of bringing democracy to the world simply by raising a flag. That would be so much easier and less bloody than all that diplomacy and saber-rattling and invasions and such.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Hehe, surely this joker is pulling our leg. Most people are of the opinion that it's the presence of troops that grants or forbids freedoms in these cases. If not we should tell Bush to raise the flag in Iraq and send the troops home. And the fact that the flag is typically lowered at night must be the reason for these night long anarchy reigns we've been seeing.Originally posted by: Kevin
Your thinking is too narrow.
If 2 nations are at war and one is conquered, the "winning" nation flies their flag over the defeated land and the citizens are subject to the "winning" nation's law. The presence (or absence) of a flag is what grants (or forbids) freedoms. A USA flag flying over USA soil is the reson we have the Constitution and the Bill of the Rights.
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Someone here has this in their sig, or something close to it, but I don't remember who:
"The day you can't burn the flag is the day you should."
And hell, didn't anyone watch Futurama? Zoidberg burned an Earth flag. "Yes I'm desecrating a flag, but to preserve the freedom it represents!"
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Someone here has this in their sig, or something close to it, but I don't remember who:
"The day you can't burn the flag is the day you should."
And hell, didn't anyone watch Futurama? Zoidberg burned an Earth flag. "Yes I'm desecrating a flag, but to preserve the freedom it represents!"
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Tom
You cannot desecrate the flag by burning it, only by weakening the principals it stands for.
the flag is a symbol, representing your country and the principles it stands for.
Have you somehow strenghtened those principles by not thinking it worthy of respect?
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Someone here has this in their sig, or something close to it, but I don't remember who:
"The day you can't burn the flag is the day you should."
And hell, didn't anyone watch Futurama? Zoidberg burned an Earth flag. "Yes I'm desecrating a flag, but to preserve the freedom it represents!"