The difference, you moron, is that I can point to literally 100's of abortions laws that have been passed or attempted to be passed in multiple states and by many republicans. How many gun ban legislations have you seen? 1? 5? 20? Yeah, not even close.
Just stay out of the conversation since we are now dealing with numbers, something you are horrible with.
Then you should take your own advice.
I can count 4 just in the last 2 months.
Well shit 4>100+ isn't it?
Idiots!
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Well if you want to count proposed then it's easy to come up with >100.
But keep up the deflection. It's the liberal play book when defeated by the constitution.
Sorry I don't take advice from idiots. Hypocrite!
You've demonstrated my point, and that is that you're a fucking hypocritical hack. Whatever "differences" you've constructed doesn't change that.The difference, you moron, is that I can point to literally 100's of abortions laws that have been passed or attempted to be passed in multiple states and by many republicans. How many gun ban legislations have you seen? 1? 5? 20? Yeah, not even close.
I believe it was the onslaught of calls, e-mails and letters from their constituents that swayed them. Notice the few democrats that voted no.
Voting for gun control is political suicide.
It's kinda sad that democracy didn't prevail here. There's probably only a few things that have 80-90% support in this country, and to imagine the government doing a 180 from what the people support? That's pretty bad.
Democracy worked just fine. Those in the pro-gun camp (NRA, GOA, SAF, CGF, etc) are much more dedicated and organized and numerous than those in the anti-rights camp (Brady Campaign, VPC). They were able to get elected enough people who support them, plus put the fear of opposition in the next election in others who might not support them otherwise, to succeed.
99% of the people could support something, but it would not matter if only the other 1% voted. Public opinion polling means nothing if those people do not get out and vote for candidates that support their position.
So it's really lobbying that won. I get it that the Senate gives 2 to each state, so the population isn't really represented. States are, especially the small states. But given the public is 90% behind UBC, and even if you said just 80% or whatever lowass number, it's an overwhelming number.
It's kinda sad that democracy didn't prevail here. There's probably only a few things that have 80-90% support in this country, and to imagine the government doing a 180 from what the people support? That's pretty bad.
Are the questions themselves "scientific"? Is it at least possible to skew your results by asking questions in certain ways?
Scientific polling isn't determining how people actually feel about something its determining how people respond to a given set of questions. If the questions are skewed then the results are going to be skewed.
We're not a democracy. That's the purpose of the Senate, to represent the sovereignty of the states. Our representative republic worked just fine.
The Senate does NOT represent the public, they represent the states.
Yes, of course question wording and question order matter. Regardless, numerous polls with numerous different question wordings all turned up utterly overwhelming support for universal background checks. The idea that question wording has skewed the result to an extent that support is not overwhelming is extremely dubious.
So with 90% support and 50% turnout for election, even if all the opposition to the 90% turned out and the rest was just the idiots, that means its still a 4:1 split for UBC. Even at 80% support, it's 3:2 in favor of UBC if ALL 20% came out to vote.
The point is democracy did not work fine. You just basically said that throwing money around did the trick. You think they voted the way they did because they felt that way? Because they wanted to go against their constituents? Or because they were backed in a corner by lobbyists. Sure, for those of you who submitted all the gun laws going down, that's great and all, but for the 90% that supported UBC for example? That's not so great.
But from a more objective standpoint and evaluating this country as a whole, yeah I'm disappointed. It's already pretty bad that lobbyists control legislation, but it's worse when Congress isn't representing the public.
The interesting part is that many bills have died in Congress. Yet this is the one where people say "Shame," when they talk about the death of the bill.
So did our representative republic work just fine when it passed the health care bill?
Many gun owners are single issue voters, and would vote to expel their current representative. If they didn't, the NRA would have about as much clout as the anti-gun lobby (read: not much).
So I'd say democracy worked just fine. It represented the will of the voters, that being the slim segment of population that actually votes in midterm elections. It's not like everyone else is barred from voting, if they want a different outcome they can easily vote the NRA into irrelevance on this issue. But I think a year from now most will have moved on.
Exactly, I won't vote for a single Democrat until their party stops attacking the second amendment, I don't care who is running against them.
And I won't vote for a single Republican until ... well ever. I'm simply too intelligent to think voting Republican is a good idea.
Unfortunately, yes. "Worked just fine" doesn't mean "makes perfect decisions."
I'm actually a bit surprised that right wingers seem so against this stuff in the first place.
This legislation wasn't obama taking anybodies guns... or preventing upstanding citizens from buying guys... So what's the big deal from all of the staunch opponents to this?
(and please, before flaming me go back a page or 2 and read my earlier post about how I feel bout this topic)
I'm actually a bit surprised that right wingers seem so against this stuff in the first place.
This legislation wasn't obama taking anybodies guns... or preventing upstanding citizens from buying guys... So what's the big deal from all of the staunch opponents to this?
(and please, before flaming me go back a page or 2 and read my earlier post about how I feel bout this topic)