Senate rejects Universal Background Checks

[HumblePie]

Lol nice try. They have been many surveys that directly ask simply if the party is in favour of all gun sales requiring a background check.

Here, read them yourself.

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

ooooo.... 1000 adults polled in highly democratic areas that typically favor nutty gun control measures. color me surprised by the results.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

ooooo.... 1000 adults polled in highly democratic areas that typically favor nutty gun control measures. color me surprised by the results.

Please show me which survey specifically you are referencing. Or are you just making shit up to avoid addressing actual information?

 

[BoberFett]

This. I am so god damned tired of hearing about this "loophole" from the uneducated left. There is NO loophole.

For all the bitching and moaning Democrats do about Republicans ignoring reality, they sure do a brisk trade in fantasy when it suits them.

 

[fskimospy]

ooooo.... 1000 adults polled in highly democratic areas that typically favor nutty gun control measures. color me surprised by the results.

I don't think you understand how scientific polling works.

 

[HumblePie]

Please show me which survey specifically you are referencing. Or are you just making shit up to avoid addressing actual information?

The ones in your link. Pollingreports.com typically does polls in high urban areas and calls it a nationwide poll. High urban areas are more skewed to people who favor more stringent gun laws. They poll places like NYC, LA, and Chicago. They don't poll places like Black Oaks, Arkansas.

 

[HumblePie]

I don't think you understand how scientific polling works.

Ohh I understand how polling is suppose to work. I also understand how easy it is to skew the data to whatever you like it to be. Even without intending to do so. Major polling places like Ramussen, Gallup, Pollster, and others have all been called out on doing that from time to time and have been caught fucking up too.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Here's the livestream for the voting. National concealed carry reciprocity just failed by 3 votes, looks like Feinstein's AWB amendment is up next.

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

Is anyone else a bit sad that the CC reciprocity failed?
Of all the things up for vote this one makes the most sense.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The ones in your link. Pollingreports.com typically does polls in high urban areas and calls it a nationwide poll. High urban areas are more skewed to people who favor more stringent gun laws. They poll places like NYC, LA, and Chicago. They don't poll places like Black Oaks, Arkansas.

No pollingreport does no polling at all. They are a collection of polls done by other services.

I assume that's really just your way of saying you don't want to address the matter on a factual basis by pointing out any specific poll that follows this methodology you claim.

 

[irishScott]

Is anyone else a bit sad that the CC reciprocity failed?
Of all the things up for vote this one makes the most sense.

I am, but everything else died with it. I can live with that. Momentum is, although only slightly, in a pro-gun direction. We'll have other opportunities for national CC reciprocity.

I have to say though, there is valid perspective that universal CCW will lead to registration as well.

 

[kage69]

Is anyone else a bit sad that the CC reciprocity failed?
Of all the things up for vote this one makes the most sense.

A bit sad? That was the one possible ray of sunshine for me in all this BS, very sad it got shot down.

I have permits in two other states and that covers 95% of my travel these days, but some real across the board state reciprocity would have been nice.

 

[HumblePie]

No pollingreport does no polling at all. They are a collection of polls done by other services.

I assume that's really just your way of saying you don't want to address the matter on a factual basis by pointing out any specific poll that follows this methodology you claim.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/203341021.html

The gun poll was done by one group that added their own weighting and called a "random" selection of landlines in various zip codes. Due to HOW that works, there are more land lines in high urban areas compared to low urban areas. High urban areas have more people in favor or gun control laws. Polls that way have always been skewed. Especially a small sample size of 1000 only done that way. I would have more confidence had the poll been over 100,000 with no more than 10 calls to any given zip code.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/203341021.html

The gun poll was done by one group that added their own weighting and called a "random" selection of landlines in various zip codes. Due to HOW that works, there are more land lines in high urban areas compared to low urban areas. High urban areas have more people in favor or gun control laws. Polls that way have always been skewed. Especially a small sample size of 1000 only done that way. I would have more confidence had the poll been over 100,000 with no more than 10 calls to any given zip code.

How about the liberal Mecca of Utah. Where 83% favour it.

http://www.kcsg.com/view/full_story...3--in-Utah-Favor-Mandatory-Background-Checks-

 

[rommelrommel]

No registration, EVER. Period.

Got it?

We sure as hell learned it in Canada. Registration led to confiscations. Took us 20 years to convince the government to abolish the long gun registry. after wasting over a billion dollars for maybe 50% compliance and no evidence of any crimes prevented or solved.

Handguns and certain rifles are still registered. I don't know that we'll ever get rid of that because we have no equivalent to the 2nd here.

 

[ivwshane]

Shall not be infringed. It's really very clear.

Selling my private property to somebody else is infringement. And the only way universal background checks could work is eventual registration. No registration, EVER. Period.

Got it?

Except the bill had a provision that said no registration database would be allowed. But keep shouting how ignorant you are.

 

[HumblePie]

How about the liberal Mecca of Utah. Where 83% favour it.

http://www.kcsg.com/view/full_story...3--in-Utah-Favor-Mandatory-Background-Checks-

A poll conducted by Majors Against Guns.... no possible agenda there huh?

The poll conducted by Douglas E. Schoen, LLC on behalf of Majors Against Guns...

Let's see who is this Shoen? A democratic consultant that does polls for the democrats who are largely against gun rights.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

As for this bill, I guess that really shows the power of the gun lobby. Background checks are probably one of the most popular things ever to be voted down by the Senate.

I prefer to think of it as an example of freedom winning out over tyranny but I realize you have never encountered an expansion of government power you didn't like, unless that expansion of power concerned voter id that is.

 

[Incorruptible]

I prefer to think of it as an example of freedom winning out over tyranny but I realize you have never encountered an expansion of government power you didn't like, unless that expansion of power concerned voter id that is.

Good point. He is such a hypocrite. I remember him bitching and moaning about voter ID and he has no problem with gun control. Pathetic.

 

[HumblePie]

I also want to point out when many of these polls were taken. Most of this polling data was done within the first 30 days of the of the Sandy Hook Massacre. As in that Shoen one. Emotions run high at that time. Polls showed America was highly in favor with going into Iraq shortly after 9/11. What do you think polls show now about that decision?

Going by polls as your basis of argument is stupid.

 

[BoberFett]

I prefer to think of it as an example of freedom winning out over tyranny but I realize you have never encountered an expansion of government power you didn't like, unless that expansion of power concerned voter id that is.

Very rare instances of voter fraud: Statistically insignificant

Very rare instances of firearms violence: BAN ALL GUNS

Democrats are as inconsistent as Republicans. Some Democrats like to pretend that they're more logical, but it's just denial.

 

[Doppel]

I don't think the universal background check is really so bad. I really think that the ideal is to make bad guys less able to buy guns and good guys more able to. So, perhaps introduce universal check, but make concealed carry permits easier to get (statistically speaking those who have them very rarely go on a rampage or anything else stupid) and done at the federal level to avoid stupid things like NYC and DC's attempted or de facto bans on personal carry.

 

[ivwshane]

Very rare instances of voter fraud: Statistically insignificant

Very rare instances of firearms violence: BAN ALL GUNS

Democrats are as inconsistent as Republicans. Some Democrats like to pretend that they're more logical, but it's just denial.

How did you jump from universal background checks to ban all guns? Sure it makes your argument look good but it's based on a half truth at best and a lie at worst.

 

[HumblePie]

Very rare instances of voter fraud: Statistically insignificant

Very rare instances of firearms violence: BAN ALL GUNS

Democrats are as inconsistent as Republicans. Some Democrats like to pretend that they're more logical, but it's just denial.

What's worse, is there is a 2nd amendment that protects the right of the PEOPLE to both keep and bear arms.

There is a 15th amendment that protects CITIZENS and their right to vote. Note the difference in vocabulary.

 

[irishScott]

I don't think the universal background check is really so bad. I really think that the ideal is to make bad guys less able to buy guns and good guys more able to. So, perhaps introduce universal check, but make concealed carry permits easier to get (statistically speaking those who have them very rarely go on a rampage or anything else stupid) and done at the federal level to avoid stupid things like NYC and DC's attempted or de facto bans on personal carry.

I agree. For my part, I'm willing to meet in the middle. If the gun grabbers recognize my right to own an AR-15 or equivalent with as large a magazine as I want, conceal carry an d defend myself on any public land, from now until the end of time, I'd be willing to pay $500 and undergo psychological, proficiency, and safety-of-storage training and tests to get a gun license. So long as that license didn't enumerate any specific guns I owned, and acted to protect my 2nd amendment rights as oppose to limiting them, I'd be all for it.

But reasonable compromises are a pipe dream in the current political climate.

 

[BoberFett]

How did you jump from universal background checks to ban all guns? Sure it makes your argument look good but it's based on a half truth at best and a lie at worst.

Have you not seen some of the proposals being floated? CA and their ban on removable magazines? Give you gun grabber an inch and you'll take a mile. Stop with the phony incredulity you hack.

 

[thraashman]

How the fuck is a universal background check taking away your 2nd amendment rights? Do all the pro-gun people here want mentally unstable citizens owning guns? It's a fucking background check. Lighten up Francis.

Have you ever seen some of the gun nuts in P&N post? Some of them would never qualify as mentally stable.