Senator Bob Menendez indicted on bribery/fraud/extortion charges—gold bars found in home

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hal2kilo

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But that same "payment" from foreign business would have been perfectly legit if Menendez had a direct family member become "employed" for the SAME influence?
Just wondering why Menendez and not Biden. It's the same thing, just done a slightly different way.
Still stuck watching shit I see.
 
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hal2kilo

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It's really sad that's he's already playing the, they're trying to take down an Hispanic. GFYS.
 

FelixDeCat

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The main difference is there is zero evidence of any policy favors done by Joe Biden in exchange for money to Hunter Biden.

It’s wild that you’ve convinced yourself of a totally made up set of facts.
Wow dude

What did Joe Biden do in return for payments to Hunter? If you have evidence by all means bring it forward. Since the Republicans certainly haven’t disclosed any.

What does Bidens threatening to withhold billions in aid to Ukraine unless a corruption investigation against the company paying his son $183,000 a month (and in exchange for $10,000,000) was dropped ...have to do with this?

We should stick to the topic at hand, and that is the second set of charges against Bobby The Bribetaker.
 

brycejones

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What does Bidens threatening to withhold billions in aid to Ukraine unless a corruption investigation against the company paying his son $183,000 a month (and in exchange for $10,000,000) was dropped ...have to do with this?

We should stick to the topic at hand, and that is the second set of charges against Bobby The Bribetaker.
I would imagine that you don't want to discuss Biden because what you posted was bull shit.

Now Menendez needs to resign and hopefully be convicted and go to jail.
 

allisolm

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What does Bidens threatening to withhold billions in aid to Ukraine unless a corruption investigation against the company paying his son $183,000 a month (and in exchange for $10,000,000) was dropped ...have to do with this?

You mean this https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/ where all that is debunked, or here https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/06/22/biden-bribe-claims/ where it is also debunked, or the maybe the Senate Republican investigation that found no wrongdoing by the Bidens? Read it all. The more you know...
 

brycejones

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fskimospy

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What does Bidens threatening to withhold billions in aid to Ukraine unless a corruption investigation against the company paying his son $183,000 a month (and in exchange for $10,000,000) was dropped ...have to do with this?

We should stick to the topic at hand, and that is the second set of charges against Bobby The Bribetaker.
but that’s all lies - why would we discuss lies?
 

FelixDeCat

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You mean this https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/ where all that is debunked, or here https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/06/22/biden-bribe-claims/ where it is also debunked, or the maybe the Senate Republican investigation that found no wrongdoing by the Bidens? Read it all. The more you know...
Im trying not to derail this thread too much because it should be about Bob's second set of bribery charges, but there is absolutely no denying that Burisma paid Hunter Biden a large salary monthly (despite having no experience in the oil and gas industry) and this was done in hopes to have access to the VP of the US.

The factcheck.org article was written in 2020, before the additional information supporting the payments to Bidens came to light. The media was disinterested in investigating any of it.

The updates, in summary:



In response Snopes says this:

These claims are problematic for several reasons. First, Zlochevsky has explicitly denied that such a conversation ever occurred. In 2020, Politico asked Zlochevsky to detail any contacts he had with Joe Biden from 2013 to 2019. He replied that, "No one from Burisma ever had any contacts with VP Biden or people working for him during Hunter Biden's engagement."

Second, several individuals, including Shokin's former aide, said Shokin was not actually pursuing any Burisma investigation at the time of the alleged bribe. The Washington Post also reported that the investigation was dormant:

As for the alleged tapes, no organization or agency has confirmed they exist. Speaking on Newsmax, Comer said of the alleged tapes that, "We don't know if they're legit or not."

In sum, the FD-1023 form detailed by GOP investigators is unverified hearsay that rehashes old allegations that still make little to no sense when one considers that there was no investigation to halt with a bribe in the first place.

They claim was that Zlocheskly had previously said they had no direct contact with Biden, but guess who did?

That would be like me running a dirty company in a small town. I hire the Mayor's son for a large monthly salary (despite him having no related experience). During meetings where the son is present, I mention that the town prosecutor or local officials are making trouble for the company. In fact I mention this in every meeting.

Dont you think the son of the Mayor has his ear? He mentions this to his dad "the local officials are making trouble for the crooked company I work for". Would not the dad be inclined to listen? I think so.

So I guess we will have to disagree as I remain unconvinced that the Bidens are innocent. This just smells bad.

Back to Bobby's second set of bribery charges.
 

fskimospy

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Im trying not to derail this thread too much because it should be about Bob's second set of bribery charges, but there is absolutely no denying that Burisma paid Hunter Biden a large salary monthly (despite having no experience in the oil and gas industry) and this was done in hopes to have access to the VP of the US.

The factcheck.org article was written in 2020, before the additional information supporting the payments to Bidens came to light. The media was disinterested in investigating any of it.

The updates, in summary:



In response Snopes says this:



They claim was that Zlocheskly had previously said they had no direct contact with Biden, but guess who did? That would be like me running a dirty company in a small town. I hire the Mayor's son for a large monthly salary (despite him having no related experience). During meetings where the son is present, I mention that the town prosecutor or local officials are making trouble for the company. In fact I mention this in every meeting.

Dont you think the son of the Mayor has his ear? He mentions to his dad "the local officials are making trouble for the crooked company I work for". Would not the dad be inclined to listen? I think so.

So I guess we will have to disagree as I remain unconvinced that the Bidens are innocent. This just smells bad.

Back to Bobby's second set of bribery charges.
There is zero evidence of Biden exchanging policy favors for money. Zero.

Stop spreading lies.

There’s a lot of evidence of Trump and his associates doing that though - but I never saw you care about that.
 

fskimospy

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So in other words after three years Felix is still believing a lie. Shocking
I mean he said deficits and debt were his reasons for voting Republican and when confronted with the fact that Republicans cause the biggest increases in debt his answer was he was sure they will fix it next time. Lol.
 

akugami

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I mean he said deficits and debt were his reasons for voting Republican and when confronted with the fact that Republicans cause the biggest increases in debt his answer was he was sure they will fix it next time. Lol.

Did anyone tell FelixDeCatatonic that this has been happening for decades?

Republicans go in, run up the national debt, and not a damned single Republican cares about fiscal responsibility. Giving welfare money to millionaires and billionaires. It's all good to them.

Then when a Democrats go in, and fixes the deficit, but wants some extra money for things like school (cause think of the children), or trying to fund things like the infrastructure, then all of a sudden the Republicans care about fiscal responsibility.
 
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akugami

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Menendez is shady. He needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

And yes, this is one of the main differences between someone who votes Democrat, and one who votes Republican. If a politician is being shady, a Democrat will admit it, and want that shady politician out. Republicans will deny, obstruct, deny, obstruct.

But I do have to give it to Menendez. It takes balls to be charged for bribery once, somehow beat the charges, and keep on doing it, as if the DOJ does not already have their eye on you.
 

NWRMidnight

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Im trying not to derail this thread too much because it should be about Bob's second set of bribery charges, but there is absolutely no denying that Burisma paid Hunter Biden a large salary monthly (despite having no experience in the oil and gas industry) and this was done in hopes to have access to the VP of the US.

The factcheck.org article was written in 2020, before the additional information supporting the payments to Bidens came to light. The media was disinterested in investigating any of it.

The updates, in summary:



In response Snopes says this:



They claim was that Zlocheskly had previously said they had no direct contact with Biden, but guess who did?

That would be like me running a dirty company in a small town. I hire the Mayor's son for a large monthly salary (despite him having no related experience). During meetings where the son is present, I mention that the town prosecutor or local officials are making trouble for the company. In fact I mention this in every meeting.

Dont you think the son of the Mayor has his ear? He mentions this to his dad "the local officials are making trouble for the crooked company I work for". Would not the dad be inclined to listen? I think so.

So I guess we will have to disagree as I remain unconvinced that the Bidens are innocent. This just smells bad.

Back to Bobby's second set of bribery charges.
So, by your own words, you admit that Hunter was over paid because they hoped to have access to the VP, not because they actually had access to the VP. So to you, Joe Biden is guilty because because of their hopes, and not any actual crime? That is equivalent of the IRS going after you for tax evasion because you hoped to win the lottery.. but never did. Since you hoped to win, you should have paid the IRS taxes on the money you never won. That would be pretty stupid, don't you think? Kind of like your attempt of arguing that Joe Biden committed such crimes, all based off of hopes and dreams.
 
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FelixDeCat

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So, by your own words, you admit that Hunter was over paid because they hoped to have access to the VP, not because they actually had access to the VP. So to you, Joe Biden is guilty because because of their hopes, and not any actual crime? That is equivalent of the IRS going after you for tax evasion because you hoped to win the lottery.. but never did. Since you hoped to win, you should have paid the IRS taxes on the money you never won. That would be pretty stupid, don't you think? Kind of like your attempt of arguing that Joe Biden committed such crimes, all based off of hopes and dreams.
Trying to win the lottery is not illegal, but failing to register as a foreign agent is.
 

fskimospy

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Trying to win the lottery is not illegal, but failing to register as a foreign agent is.
So now you admit your previous accusations against Joe Biden were lies - correct?

If not, please provide even a single case where Joe Biden traded policy favors for money to either himself or any member of his family.

If you can’t do that don’t you think you owe Joe Biden an apology?
 

fskimospy

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Your hero was cool with this very thing so what are you bitching about?
My favorite one is where he’s like ‘yes, Republicans cause the deficit to explode every time they are in power but we must elect Republicans because lowering the deficit is my number one priority.’

Republicans are his political sports team and so he wants them to win even if they do exactly the opposite of what he claims to want. He would love a world with deficits to the moon so long as they are Republican deficits.
 
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FelixDeCat

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So now you admit your previous accusations against Joe Biden were lies - correct?

If not, please provide even a single case where Joe Biden traded policy favors for money to either himself or any member of his family.

If you can’t do that don’t you think you owe Joe Biden an apology?
My favorite one is where he’s like ‘yes, Republicans cause the deficit to explode every time they are in power but we must elect Republicans because lowering the deficit is my number one priority.’

Republicans are his political sports team and so he wants them to win even if they do exactly the opposite of what he claims to want. He would love a world with deficits to the moon so long as they are Republican deficits.
Your hero was cool with this very thing so what are you bitching about?
You guys should probably not make up things on the internet. Besides, Ron Reagan Junior would have never worked on behalf of a foreign entity in hopes dangling the prospect of using his father's influence to affect government decisions.

I am hoping the Republicans will successfully shut down the government until we can reign in spending and shut down the border. After which they can work Democrats to balance the next fiscal budget by drastically cutting spending across the board.
 
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IronWing

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You guys should probably not make up things on the internet. Besides, Ron Reagan Junior would have never worked on behalf of a foreign entity in hopes dangling the prospect of using his father's influence to affect government decisions.

I am hoping the Republicans will successfully shut down the government until we can reign in spending and shut down the border. After which they can work Democrats to balance the next fiscal budget by drastically cutting spending across the board.
Ronald Reagan is your hero? No wonder you're f'in' traitor, just like your hero.
 
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