Senator pushes for Universal Healthcare

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bobdelt
Dude, why am I even getting my mba? I should be sitting on a porch drinking 40's, eating the gov'ts food, and going to the hospital when I get alcohol poisoning every night. It's starting to be real tempting to be poor. Which I'm sure will have great effects on the economy

So you can live the life of luxury. I mean if living in squalor and getting drunk every night and being able to get free health insurance is your idea of the good life then by all means, quit school.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: bobdelt
Dude, why am I even getting my mba? I should be sitting on a porch drinking 40's, eating the gov'ts food, and going to the hospital when I get alcohol poisoning every night. It's starting to be real tempting to be poor. Which I'm sure will have great effects on the economy

I urge you to quit school immediately then.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: bobdelt
Dude, why am I even getting my mba? I should be sitting on a porch drinking 40's, eating the gov'ts food, and going to the hospital when I get alcohol poisoning every night. It's starting to be real tempting to be poor. Which I'm sure will have great effects on the economy

If that's all you aspire for, go for it.

Why shouldnt he? hell, if the Dems had thier way he'd be as well paid doing nothing but drinking 40's as a PhD who worked 60 hours a week!

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: bobdelt
Dude, why am I even getting my mba? I should be sitting on a porch drinking 40's, eating the gov'ts food, and going to the hospital when I get alcohol poisoning every night. It's starting to be real tempting to be poor. Which I'm sure will have great effects on the economy

If that's all you aspire for, go for it.

Why shouldnt he? hell, if the Dems had thier way he'd be as well paid doing nothing but drinking 40's as a PhD who worked 60 hours a week!

Yes, I'm sure thats exactly what would happen.

6 years of unfettered republican control over the US, and while they really screwed things up, they didn't manage to destroy the nation despite their best efforts, but you somehow think the democrats will do it in a couple of weeks?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: sandorski
Hehe, "screw us". The lack of such a thing is screwing you over a whole lot more.

Why should I be financially for someone else's health problems?

By the way, I've had about $300,000 in back surgeries over the past couple years and I think I paid $20 in co-pay once because my mom didn't have $20 on her.

Someone else Paid for your Surgery. Those Else's Paid a whole lot more than if it was Paid through a Universal Program. As part of a Co-Pay you are already Paying for someone elses health problems and are financially responsible(believe you missed this word ) for them.

In short, you already are.

Correct, however everyone else that I pay for may also in essence pay for me. Why should I pay for those who won't put in?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: sandorski
Hehe, "screw us". The lack of such a thing is screwing you over a whole lot more.

Why should I be financially for someone else's health problems?

By the way, I've had about $300,000 in back surgeries over the past couple years and I think I paid $20 in co-pay once because my mom didn't have $20 on her.

Someone else Paid for your Surgery. Those Else's Paid a whole lot more than if it was Paid through a Universal Program. As part of a Co-Pay you are already Paying for someone elses health problems and are financially responsible(believe you missed this word ) for them.

In short, you already are.

Correct, however everyone else that I pay for may also in essence pay for me. Why should I pay for those who won't put in?

Everyone Pays Tax, it is unlikely that no win would put in.

 

[J Heartless Slick]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: bobdelt
Dude, why am I even getting my mba? I should be sitting on a porch drinking 40's, eating the gov'ts food, and going to the hospital when I get alcohol poisoning every night. It's starting to be real tempting to be poor. Which I'm sure will have great effects on the economy

If that's all you aspire for, go for it.

Why shouldnt he? hell, if the Dems had thier way he'd be as well paid doing nothing but drinking 40's as a PhD who worked 60 hours a week!

Yes, I'm sure thats exactly what would happen.

6 years of unfettered republican control over the US, and while they really screwed things up, they didn't manage to destroy the nation despite their best efforts, but you somehow think the democrats will do it in a couple of weeks?

I was around and conscious when Clinton was President and the Dems had control of Congress and I do not remember the country being a lower ring of Hell. Anybody remember it any differently?

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: J Heartless Slick

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: bobdelt
Dude, why am I even getting my mba? I should be sitting on a porch drinking 40's, eating the gov'ts food, and going to the hospital when I get alcohol poisoning every night. It's starting to be real tempting to be poor. Which I'm sure will have great effects on the economy

If that's all you aspire for, go for it.

Why shouldnt he? hell, if the Dems had thier way he'd be as well paid doing nothing but drinking 40's as a PhD who worked 60 hours a week!

Yes, I'm sure thats exactly what would happen.

6 years of unfettered republican control over the US, and while they really screwed things up, they didn't manage to destroy the nation despite their best efforts, but you somehow think the democrats will do it in a couple of weeks?

I was around and conscious when Clinton was President and the Dems had control of Congress and I do not remember the country being a lower ring of Hell. Anybody remember it any differently?

Don't worry, they'll be around any time now to tell you how that was the "darkest 8 years in American history"

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: bobdelt
Dude, why am I even getting my mba? I should be sitting on a porch drinking 40's, eating the gov'ts food, and going to the hospital when I get alcohol poisoning every night. It's starting to be real tempting to be poor. Which I'm sure will have great effects on the economy

If that's all you aspire for, go for it.

Why shouldnt he? hell, if the Dems had thier way he'd be as well paid doing nothing but drinking 40's as a PhD who worked 60 hours a week!

Well your "fearless leader" does little more than make a couple of media appearances a week where he mumbles some incomprehendable gibberish and makes what--couple hundred thousand a year?

Sounds like you guys have the lock on the "sit on your ass and watch the moolah roll in" concept.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Sounds like you guys have the lock on the "sit on your ass and watch the moolah roll in" concept.

Funny how the biggest "libertarians" around here always wind up admitting they would be the first ones to leech if they could. This is why I cannot take them seriously a lot of times.

I am assuming these are the same people who pee all over public toilet seats because they can, -uncivilized twits wanting to drag the rest of us down.

Libertarians, can take their "rugged individualist" butts to some anarchist hellhole with no central infrastructure if they are not willing to pitch in, life is a series of sacrifices like it or not, grow up.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: bobdelt
Dude, why am I even getting my mba? I should be sitting on a porch drinking 40's, eating the gov'ts food, and going to the hospital when I get alcohol poisoning every night. It's starting to be real tempting to be poor. Which I'm sure will have great effects on the economy

If that's all you aspire for, go for it.

Why shouldnt he? hell, if the Dems had thier way he'd be as well paid doing nothing but drinking 40's as a PhD who worked 60 hours a week!

Well your "fearless leader" does little more than make a couple of media appearances a week where he mumbles some incomprehendable gibberish and makes what--couple hundred thousand a year?

Sounds like you guys have the lock on the "sit on your ass and watch the moolah roll in" concept.

Please, PLEASE point out one politician in the past 1000 years that HASNT fit that mold.

If your going to make useless off topic psost, please go to OT.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Am I the only one who sees the word "private"?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Specop 007
This sucks, I really hope this fails miserably.

why? for ideological reasons? the usa is just about the only first world country without universal health care. In the long run, it would save your country money and improve the overall health of the US population.

That is so bogus...im the long run it would bankrupt this nation.......sorry...nice idea...but foolish!!

So I guess that every other country that has socialized or universal healthcare is on the brink of bankruptcy? Can you link me to the national debts of those countries and then compare them to ours? K, thnx.

Also, as for the gripes with the quality of national healthcare compared the the great and wonderful Oz....er....system that we have now....

USA ranked 16/20 behind many, many countries with national plans

US Healthcare...most expensive and least effective

Look at the chart on page 4 of that PDF.....USA....highest cost per capita, highest cost per GDP, highest infant mortality rate, last in fairness of financial contributions, last in overal performance.

Here's another wonderful bit of stats for you:

Even more significantly, the medical system has played a large role in undermining the health of Americans. According to several research studies in the last decade, a total of 225,000 Americans per year have died as a result of their medical treatments:

? 12,000 deaths per year due to unnecessary surgery

? 7000 deaths per year due to medication errors in hospitals

? 20,000 deaths per year due to other errors in hospitals

? 80,000 deaths per year due to infections in hospitals

? 106,000 deaths per year due to negative effects of drugs

Thus, America's healthcare-system-induced deaths are the third leading cause of the death in the U.S., after heart disease and cancer.

 

[robphelan]

we should start with universal healthcare for children. then, work our way to everyone else.

 

[Jadow]

as a single, healthy person, I don't really want to start footing the bill for people who aren't as responsible or heatlhy as I am.

Just another way to redistribute wealth from me to some schlep.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Jadow
as a single, healthy person, I don't really want to start footing the bill for people who aren't as responsible or heatlhy as I am.

Just another way to redistribute wealth from me to some schlep.

Kinda like your drinking water, your roads, the education you received and the police that keeps you from getting jacked for everything you own. Sorry, you are not a ship unto yourself, no man is.

Your health would not be so great either if uninsured folks started hacking up flu viri on you either, so grow up already you are showing your lack of responsibility with this naive statement.

 

[Jadow]

nice comeback, you don't agree with me so you say "so grow up already you are showing your lack of responsibility with this naive statement"

I hope you're happy because this country is moving more and more towards the nanny state that you so desperately wish for.

 

[Jadow]

There is no need for federal involvement in roads, education, or local policing.

And I get my water from a well I own on my property.

 

[shrumpage]

The one thing I don't understand about government provided healthcare, as a solution to our current costs - Where has the government done anything on large scale and not only done it well, but efficiently?

 

[Jadow]

private business always does things more efficiently than goverment because of greed.

Pure and simple. With government, the politicians don't have the same responsibility or care with taxpayers money as they would if it was their own.

That's why we have 250 million dollar bridges to nowhere.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Jadow
private business always does things more efficiently than goverment because of greed.

Care to back that up? Private industries are not accountable to anyone but shareholders thus do not have the publics interest in mind at all. The government IS accountable to people and can be investigated and voted out of office.

Private industries has shown to be real efficient alright at creating child labor, lowest wages possible in the long run, poor safety standards for better bottom lines, long hours for employees, less breaks etc etc.

 

[Jadow]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Jadow
private business always does things more efficiently than goverment because of greed.

Care to back that up? Private industries are not accountable to anyone but shareholders thus do not have the publics interest in mind at all. The government IS accountable to people and can be investigated and voted out of office.

It's not their job to have the public interest in mind. And I would say that our government isn't nearly accountable enough. If there was true accountability, we wouldn't have had FIVE republicans lose their seats, and twenty something representatives switch seats. All 435 members of that deadbeat congress should have lost their jobs, and every senator up for reelection should have lost their job. With 9/10 of elections a total lock and no competition, are they really very accountable?

 

[Steeplerot]

Then run for office if you think you can change things for the better, letting CEOs and private industry run the show is a race for everyone to the bottom except the owners of industry.

There is a total conflict of interest between making money and actual human lives, this will always be the big failure of capitalism.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: shrumpage
The one thing I don't understand about government provided healthcare, as a solution to our current costs - Where has the government done anything on large scale and not only done it well, but efficiently?

Good question, who says the left doesnt have faith in miracles?

 

[Jadow]

Originally posted by: shrumpage
The one thing I don't understand about government provided healthcare, as a solution to our current costs - Where has the government done anything on large scale and not only done it well, but efficiently?

Iraq?