senator ted kennedy dies

[Siddhartha]

RIP

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The Dems, and Ted specifically, got the rules in Mass changed so Romney would not be able to appoint Kerry's possible successor. They changed it to an election, instead of an appointment by the Gov to prevent Romney from picking a Repub.

Ted recently tried to change it back...

So unless the Dems can finagle some new rules, there will now be an election for Ted's seat.

The problem is that the election process will take at least five months, leaving Massachusetts without a second senator and the Democrats at 59 senators (counting such problematic cases as Lieberman). This quite probably effectively kills any meaningful health care reform for at least the rest of this year, more likely at least another decade or two. That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

It would be a travesty if the GOP was able to use Kennedy's death as a major political coup for themselves.

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The Dems, and Ted specifically, got the rules in Mass changed so Romney would not be able to appoint Kerry's possible successor. They changed it to an election, instead of an appointment by the Gov to prevent Romney from picking a Repub.

Ted recently tried to change it back...

So unless the Dems can finagle some new rules, there will now be an election for Ted's seat.

The problem is that the election process will take at least five months, leaving Massachusetts without a second senator and the Democrats at 59 senators (counting such problematic cases as Lieberman). This quite probably effectively kills any meaningful health care reform for at least the rest of this year, more likely at least another decade or two. That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

It would be a travesty if the GOP was able to use Kennedy's death as a major political coup for themselves.

Since when does writing a letter = fought so hard to change the law.
If anything he fought to enact the law.

 

[eriqesque]

Good riddance.

 

[GroundedSailor]

All of us are flawed in one way or another. Inspite of his flaws he did far more good for this country and its people. As a senator he knew how to reach across and yet keep to his ideals. We lost a good man.


RIP

 

[smashp]

RIP

The Raw hatred in this thread makes me wonder why i Still visit this place

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: babylon5
Wasn't he about to meet Obama?

Didn't expect to be so quick, I thought he'd live at least a year or two.

When he did not go to his sisters funeral i knew it would not be long.

And for those under 40, like myself, look up what he did for voting rights and other areas many of us get to use to due to some of his work.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Originally posted by: Thump553
That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

Luckily that is not how things are done, unfortunately I bet there will be people preaching this very idea in the Senate to persuade those on the fence to push agendas.

I have no respect for the man and I truly think this "respect for the dead" idea on this forum is pathetic. If the man did not deserve my respect in life why the hell would I respect him in death?

 

[FerrelGeek]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The Dems, and Ted specifically, got the rules in Mass changed so Romney would not be able to appoint Kerry's possible successor. They changed it to an election, instead of an appointment by the Gov to prevent Romney from picking a Repub.

Ted recently tried to change it back...

So unless the Dems can finagle some new rules, there will now be an election for Ted's seat.

The problem is that the election process will take at least five months, leaving Massachusetts without a second senator and the Democrats at 59 senators (counting such problematic cases as Lieberman). This quite probably effectively kills any meaningful health care reform for at least the rest of this year, more likely at least another decade or two. That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

It would be a travesty if the GOP was able to use Kennedy's death as a major political coup for themselves.

Teddy was a drunken womanizer and a sleeze in general. It's only fitting that one of his political moves finally came back to bite him. I have no sympathy for the man.

 

[Engineer]

RIP!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: smashp
RIP

The Raw hatred in this thread makes me wonder why i Still visit this place

I agree... oh wait...wrong thread.


RIP swimmer. You'll not be missed by many but hopefully you got things worked out and straight in the end.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The Dems, and Ted specifically, got the rules in Mass changed so Romney would not be able to appoint Kerry's possible successor. They changed it to an election, instead of an appointment by the Gov to prevent Romney from picking a Repub.

Ted recently tried to change it back...

So unless the Dems can finagle some new rules, there will now be an election for Ted's seat.

The problem is that the election process will take at least five months, leaving Massachusetts without a second senator and the Democrats at 59 senators (counting such problematic cases as Lieberman). This quite probably effectively kills any meaningful health care reform for at least the rest of this year, more likely at least another decade or two. That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

It would be a travesty if the GOP was able to use Kennedy's death as a major political coup for themselves.

The irony and hypocrisy of your post is delicious and very apparent. You try and accuse the GOP of exploiting this unfortunate situation for political gain, yet you say that the law should be changed in the Democrats' political favor simply because of this unfortunate situation. The very same law that Ted Kennedy fought to have implemented a few years ago because he didn't want Mitt Romney appointing an "unsuitable" replacement if John Kerry had won the 2004 election, but now that very same law is politically inconvenient for the Democrats' agenda.

Exploiting unfortunate situations for political gain is okay as long as your side is doing it, amirite?

 

[colonel]

RIP, a senator from the people for the people, I will miss you Ted

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Politics should not come into the picture when someone dies.

RIP

Agreed.

RIP Mr. Kennedy.

 

[LTC8K6]

It would be a travesty if the GOP was able to use Kennedy's death as a major political coup for themselves.

He should have announced a few months ago that he would resign, to give the Dems time to manuever. Instead he refused to do so, and hung on to his seat, and now the law requires an election, just as Ted fought for in 2004.

I would really like to hear the arguments for changing the rules again to suit the Dems.

I have no doubt they can cheat their way to an appointment, but I'd still love to hear the same Dems get up and argue against what they so recently argued for...

I want to hear John Kerry explain why an appointment by the Governor is now a great thing, when it was a bad idea in 2004.

The problem is that the election process will take at least five months, leaving Massachusetts without a second senator

But it was okay to be without a second Senator in 2004...

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

 

[Lemon law]

RIP Ted Kennedy, one of the most influential Senators in US history. His legacy will live on as others continue his unfinished ideals.

As one can not help but notice, he was not as loved by the opposition, and like the Robert Novak thread, some on P&N have divided opinions on the worth of a long career.

But death levels all, and now the last of the three Kennedy brothers are history as an era ends.

I for one mourn Ted Kennedy and my condolences to his family that did so much to shape US history and champion the ideals of America.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
All of us are flawed in one way or another. Inspite of his flaws he did far more good for this country and its people. As a senator he knew how to reach across and yet keep to his ideals. We lost a good man.


RIP

Criminally negligent homicide is a not a flaw.

 

[sportage]

like him or not, legislation he wrote and passed benefited every single American.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The Dems, and Ted specifically, got the rules in Mass changed so Romney would not be able to appoint Kerry's possible successor. They changed it to an election, instead of an appointment by the Gov to prevent Romney from picking a Repub.

Ted recently tried to change it back...

So unless the Dems can finagle some new rules, there will now be an election for Ted's seat.

The problem is that the election process will take at least five months, leaving Massachusetts without a second senator and the Democrats at 59 senators (counting such problematic cases as Lieberman). This quite probably effectively kills any meaningful health care reform for at least the rest of this year, more likely at least another decade or two. That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

It would be a travesty if the GOP was able to use Kennedy's death as a major political coup for themselves.

Because everyone will forget it was democratic infighting that is killing healthcare reform... but at least now it can be blamed on the GOP once again.

 

[Jadow]

Ted, say hi to Mary Jo for me!

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The Dems, and Ted specifically, got the rules in Mass changed so Romney would not be able to appoint Kerry's possible successor. They changed it to an election, instead of an appointment by the Gov to prevent Romney from picking a Repub.

Ted recently tried to change it back...

So unless the Dems can finagle some new rules, there will now be an election for Ted's seat.

The problem is that the election process will take at least five months, leaving Massachusetts without a second senator and the Democrats at 59 senators (counting such problematic cases as Lieberman). This quite probably effectively kills any meaningful health care reform for at least the rest of this year, more likely at least another decade or two. That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

It would be a travesty if the GOP was able to use Kennedy's death as a major political coup for themselves.

The irony and hypocrisy of your post is delicious and very apparent. You try and accuse the GOP of exploiting this unfortunate situation for political gain, yet you say that the law should be changed in the Democrats' political favor simply because of this unfortunate situation. The very same law that Ted Kennedy fought to have implemented a few years ago because he didn't want Mitt Romney appointing an "unsuitable" replacement if John Kerry had won the 2004 election, but now that very same law is politically inconvenient for the Democrats' agenda.

Exploiting unfortunate situations for political gain is okay as long as your side is doing it, amirite?

Nice try at moralizing, but it falls short. The indisputable fact of the matter is that a Democrat-and one strongly in favor of meaningful health care reform-is going to replace Kennedy. The only difference is whether this is by appointment or election, and the difference there being a five month gap when the people of MA are not represented. You are saying we should blindly follow this heretofore unused law becasue that is more democratic? Form over substance, to the 100% benefit of the national GOP obstructionists.

BTW in 2004 Romney was a lame duck governor and a highly unpopular one at that. Any appointment by that clown would have been about as democratic as Blagojevich's.

 

[Jadow]

Originally posted by: sportage

like him or not, legislation he wrote and passed benefited every single American.

Yeah, can you provide some examples?

 

[heyheybooboo]

"" My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life; to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it.

Those of us who loved him and who take him to his rest today, pray that what he was to us and what he wished for others will some day come to pass for all the world. As he said many times, in many parts of this nation, to those he touched and who sought to touch him: 'Some men see things as they are and say why. I dream things that never were and say why not. ""

 

[Carmen813]

Love him or hate him, I think you need to respect a man who stands up.
RIP.