senator ted kennedy dies

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: totalnoob
RIP

The man did unspeakable damage to the country, but he didn't know it..and fought hard for his beliefs. Gotta respect him for that.

That`s total bullshit!! The man cared about this country more than anyone couold imagine!!!

RIP!! We will miss you Teddy!!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: Thump553
That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

Luckily that is not how things are done, unfortunately I bet there will be people preaching this very idea in the Senate to persuade those on the fence to push agendas.

I have no respect for the man and I truly think this "respect for the dead" idea on this forum is pathetic. If the man did not deserve my respect in life why the hell would I respect him in death?

so why not stay the hell out of this thread then???

 

[Jadow]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Love him or hate him, I think you need to respect a man who stands up.
RIP.

no

 

[Ramma2]

Originally posted by: Jadow

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Love him or hate him, I think you need to respect a man who stands up.
RIP.

no

Who stands up and runs away from a sinking car, am i rite ?

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The Dems, and Ted specifically, got the rules in Mass changed so Romney would not be able to appoint Kerry's possible successor. They changed it to an election, instead of an appointment by the Gov to prevent Romney from picking a Repub.

Ted recently tried to change it back...

So unless the Dems can finagle some new rules, there will now be an election for Ted's seat.

The problem is that the election process will take at least five months, leaving Massachusetts without a second senator and the Democrats at 59 senators (counting such problematic cases as Lieberman). This quite probably effectively kills any meaningful health care reform for at least the rest of this year, more likely at least another decade or two. That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

It would be a travesty if the GOP was able to use Kennedy's death as a major political coup for themselves.

The irony and hypocrisy of your post is delicious and very apparent. You try and accuse the GOP of exploiting this unfortunate situation for political gain, yet you say that the law should be changed in the Democrats' political favor simply because of this unfortunate situation. The very same law that Ted Kennedy fought to have implemented a few years ago because he didn't want Mitt Romney appointing an "unsuitable" replacement if John Kerry had won the 2004 election, but now that very same law is politically inconvenient for the Democrats' agenda.

Exploiting unfortunate situations for political gain is okay as long as your side is doing it, amirite?

Nice try at moralizing, but it falls short. The indisputable fact of the matter is that a Democrat-and one strongly in favor of meaningful health care reform-is going to replace Kennedy. The only difference is whether this is by appointment or election, and the difference there being a five month gap when the people of MA are not represented. You are saying we should blindly follow this heretofore unused law becasue that is more democratic? Form over substance, to the 100% benefit of the national GOP obstructionists.

BTW in 2004 Romney was a lame duck governor and a highly unpopular one at that. Any appointment by that clown would have been about as democratic as Blagojevich's.

Let's go over this again. Ted Kennedy wanted the law put in place so that Romney couldn't put in a Senator, knowing it would have left MA short for five months. Now that the governor is a Democrat, he wanted the law changed back for his replacement. How can you possibly not see the hypocrisy in this?

 

[b0mbrman]

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: Thump553
That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

Luckily that is not how things are done, unfortunately I bet there will be people preaching this very idea in the Senate to persuade those on the fence to push agendas.

I have no respect for the man and I truly think this "respect for the dead" idea on this forum is pathetic. If the man did not deserve my respect in life why the hell would I respect him in death?

so why not stay the hell out of this thread then???

Because this is a discussion board and the thread title is "senator ted kennedy dies," not "senator ted kennedy dies, anyone who wants to hop on his jock post here."

 

[LTC8K6]

BTW in 2004 Romney was a lame duck governor and a highly unpopular one at that. Any appointment by that clown would have been about as democratic as Blagojevich's.

Deval Patrick is popular? He had one of the lowest ratings in history in a recent poll. Just 19% job approval...

 

[Robor]

We'll miss you, sir!

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: Ramma2

Originally posted by: Jadow

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Love him or hate him, I think you need to respect a man who stands up.
RIP.

no

Who stands up and runs away from a sinking car, am i rite ?

Probably the same type of person who attacks a dead man from behind a computer screen.

 

[Atreus21]

Much quicker than I thought it would happen. I thought he had some time still.

I guess brain cancer is as severe as it sounds.

Rest in peace to a worthy opponent.

 

[Specop 007]

Wow. This is my sad face.

 

[KentState]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The Dems, and Ted specifically, got the rules in Mass changed so Romney would not be able to appoint Kerry's possible successor. They changed it to an election, instead of an appointment by the Gov to prevent Romney from picking a Repub.

Ted recently tried to change it back...

So unless the Dems can finagle some new rules, there will now be an election for Ted's seat.

The problem is that the election process will take at least five months, leaving Massachusetts without a second senator and the Democrats at 59 senators (counting such problematic cases as Lieberman). This quite probably effectively kills any meaningful health care reform for at least the rest of this year, more likely at least another decade or two. That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

It would be a travesty if the GOP was able to use Kennedy's death as a major political coup for themselves.

The irony and hypocrisy of your post is delicious and very apparent. You try and accuse the GOP of exploiting this unfortunate situation for political gain, yet you say that the law should be changed in the Democrats' political favor simply because of this unfortunate situation. The very same law that Ted Kennedy fought to have implemented a few years ago because he didn't want Mitt Romney appointing an "unsuitable" replacement if John Kerry had won the 2004 election, but now that very same law is politically inconvenient for the Democrats' agenda.

Exploiting unfortunate situations for political gain is okay as long as your side is doing it, amirite?

Nice try at moralizing, but it falls short. The indisputable fact of the matter is that a Democrat-and one strongly in favor of meaningful health care reform-is going to replace Kennedy. The only difference is whether this is by appointment or election, and the difference there being a five month gap when the people of MA are not represented. You are saying we should blindly follow this heretofore unused law becasue that is more democratic? Form over substance, to the 100% benefit of the national GOP obstructionists.

BTW in 2004 Romney was a lame duck governor and a highly unpopular one at that. Any appointment by that clown would have been about as democratic as Blagojevich's.

This just shows how much of a partisan hack Kennedy was. If he was forward thinking in any sense, he would see that something like this would cause an issue down the road if the circumstances were reversed. Now that it's not convenient for his party, the law should change instead of letting the voters decide? Lets honor Kennedy and make sure the partisan laws he fought for stand!

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: smashp
RIP

The Raw hatred in this thread makes me wonder why i Still visit this place

Happens on both sides.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Jadow

Originally posted by: sportage

like him or not, legislation he wrote and passed benefited every single American.

Yeah, can you provide some examples?

Kennedy fulfilled a nation?s promise

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: Thump553
That is why Kennedy fought so hard to change the law, and out of respect for his last wishes and life's work, it should be done.

Luckily that is not how things are done, unfortunately I bet there will be people preaching this very idea in the Senate to persuade those on the fence to push agendas.

I have no respect for the man and I truly think this "respect for the dead" idea on this forum is pathetic. If the man did not deserve my respect in life why the hell would I respect him in death?

Yeah. I mean, we ought to just go urinate on his gravestone. That's how much we hate him.

Jeez man. It's not difficult to practice the golden rule.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: totalnoob
RIP

The man did unspeakable damage to the country, but he didn't know it..and fought hard for his beliefs. Gotta respect him for that.

That`s total bullshit!! The man cared about this country more than anyone couold imagine!!!

RIP!! We will miss you Teddy!!!

So did Hitler......And Stalin.....

Wonder if the Devil picked up Teddy in a 67 Olds?

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Politics should not come into the picture when someone dies.

RIP

So much for that.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Carmen813

Originally posted by: Ramma2

Originally posted by: Jadow

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Love him or hate him, I think you need to respect a man who stands up.
RIP.

no

Who stands up and runs away from a sinking car, am i rite ?

Probably the same type of person who attacks a dead man from behind a computer screen.

Bullshit. No one deserves respect simply for committing the act of dying. Is it in poor taste to go out of your way to attack him at this point? Yes. Is it on par with criminally negligent homicide? GTFO.

Of course, I haven't really seen anyone "go out of their way to attack him." He's being held up on a pedestal, and simply because he just died does not make him deserving of said pedestal. That's what his detractors are responding to.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
[ ... ]
I have no respect for the man and I truly think this "respect for the dead" idea on this forum is pathetic. If the man did not deserve my respect in life why the hell would I respect him in death?

Because it says so much about your character ... or lack thereof.


Nobody cares whether you "respect" Kennedy or not. That's not what it's about. It's about being respectful to a fellow human being, and especially to those who love him when they are in pain. It is a measure of your civility and humanity.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
[ ... ]
I have no respect for the man and I truly think this "respect for the dead" idea on this forum is pathetic. If the man did not deserve my respect in life why the hell would I respect him in death?

Because it says so much about your character ... or lack thereof.


Nobody cares whether you "respect" Kennedy or not. That's not what it's about. It's about being respectful to a fellow human being, and especially to those who love him when they are in pain. It is a measure of your civility and humanity.

Are you also respectful to murderers, rapists and child molesters because they are "fellow humans"?

The only thing I respect Teddy for is being sober for a solid 12 hours now.....

 

[sportage]

The Raw hatred in this thread makes me wonder why i Still visit this place

Like Barney Frank said... "you can't argue with a dining room table"... Ignore them.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
[ ... ]
I have no respect for the man and I truly think this "respect for the dead" idea on this forum is pathetic. If the man did not deserve my respect in life why the hell would I respect him in death?

Because it says so much about your character ... or lack thereof.


Nobody cares whether you "respect" Kennedy or not. That's not what it's about. It's about being respectful to a fellow human being, and especially to those who love him when they are in pain. It is a measure of your civility and humanity.

Are you also respectful to murderers, rapists and child molesters because they are "fellow humans"?

Beat me to it.

Bowfinger's arbitrary application of "respect in death" is, well... arbitrary. As is everyone else's, including mine.

 

[Number1]

I posted in this thread earlier on and the comment is now missing?

Post appear and disappear randomly?

??

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Wow. This is my sad face.

Decency is not a part of your universe is it?

The man just died for crying out loud.

RIP senator

You will be missed.