Senator Tim Johnson (D) of S. Dakota hospitalized for "stroke-like symptoms"

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: tamik

Originally posted by: Aimster
He will not resign.. I strongly doubt it. If he does so Republicians will control everything again.

Do you think that really matters to him if he cannot make a full recovery? That Senate seat is lost to the Republicans now or in 2008 if he doesn't make a full recovery.


Do you know Tim Johnson? (My husband knew him as a neighbor!) Do you think everything comes down to politics with every politician? Maybe family comes first to Tim Johnson.

Oh your full of it. I know Johnson and if he isn't in a coma or totally menatlly incapicatated he won't resign. He just won reelction 4 years ago and won by less then 600 votes. He knows what is riding on this.

Oh, and as Paul Harvey likes to say, now for the rest of the story, this was posted earlier in the thread by someone:

One precedent, however, is the case of Sen. Karl Mundt, also from South Dakota, who suffered a debilitating stroke in 1969. (Long-term senate absences)

He remained in office until January 1973, when his term expired.

Mundt offered to resign but only on the condition that the governor appoint his wife to fill the vacancy. The governor refused, and Mundt retained the Senate seat.

And as someone pointed out, his seat diodn't make any difference in who controlled the Senate.

Dick Kneip, a Democrat was govenor then:

South Dakota Democrats did come close to the hat trick in the 1973, when Dick Kneip was governor and his party controlled the Senate by a vote and shared a 35-35 tie in the House. And Mundt wouldn't resign.... LOL he should have been enjoying life and worrying about his family, right ProfJohn?? Funny how all the hypocrites come out of the woodwork when they THINK they smell blood.

So all you "concerned" Republicans take note of the facts. You just can't wish them away, no matter how hard you try or how slick you think your prose is. You can stay in your pipe dream about taking back the Senate but unless Johnson dies, it isn't going to happen.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: slash196
Why does the governor get to appoint whoever he wants? Shouldn't the democratic party get to pick the replacement?

Also, I have heard in the past about senators dying, and their wife takes the seat in their place. Is this just a state-by-state thing?

Now I understand some of your posts and statements.

You are totally ignorant of how this country runs. This is Government 101 stuff here, heck they used to teach this stuff in high school. (at least where I live)

The case of the Senator dying was in MO where the Senator won the election right after he had died and the sitting governor appointed his wife for the 2 years till the next election, where she lost.

Maybe you should find some time to read this thing called the Constitution, its an amazing document that spells out all of this for you.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: slash196
Why does the governor get to appoint whoever he wants? Shouldn't the democratic party get to pick the replacement?

Also, I have heard in the past about senators dying, and their wife takes the seat in their place. Is this just a state-by-state thing?

Now I understand some of your posts and statements.

You are totally ignorant of how this country runs. This is Government 101 stuff here, heck they used to teach this stuff in high school. (at least where I live)

The case of the Senator dying was in MO where the Senator won the election right after he had died and the sitting governor appointed his wife for the 2 years till the next election, where she lost.

Maybe you should find some time to read this thing called the Constitution, its an amazing document that spells out all of this for you.

actually, there are some states that have it written into their state Constitution that directs the governor of that state to appoint someone of the same party as the former incumbent in case of a vacancy - Arizona, Hawaii and Alaska - the last three states to join the union. In Wyoming and Utah, the governor must appoint someone from a list of three candidates selected by the state party of the former incumbent. In Oregon, Wisconsin and OKlahoma, a special election must be held to fill the vacancy. I think there are other states that the state legislature appoints the replacement i.e. Mass,

Therefore, the state laws vary but generally, the governor does appoint the replacement but it is up to the states to decide that and how much latitude s/he has if any.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: chowderhead
actually, there are some states that have it written into their state Constitution that directs the governor of that state to appoint someone of the same party as the former incumbent in case of a vacancy - Arizona, Hawaii and Alaska - the last three states to join the union. In Wyoming and Utah, the governor must appoint someone from a list of three candidates selected by the state party of the former incumbent. In Oregon, Wisconsin and OKlahoma, a special election must be held to fill the vacancy. I think there are other states that the state legislature appoints the replacement i.e. Mass,

Therefore, the state laws vary but generally, the governor does appoint the replacement but it is up to the states to decide that and how much latitude s/he has if any.

I wonder if anyone has challenged these laws? Since the US Const is the supreme law and it gives the governor the power to appoint who he/she wants the gov could ignore state laws and appoint anyone he wants.

Of course it would be political suicide to do so, but it could be done.

I would expect that if Johnson resigns we will see a Republican replacement. Unless there is an obvious choice that we do not know of (son, wife etc)

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: chowderhead
actually, there are some states that have it written into their state Constitution that directs the governor of that state to appoint someone of the same party as the former incumbent in case of a vacancy - Arizona, Hawaii and Alaska - the last three states to join the union. In Wyoming and Utah, the governor must appoint someone from a list of three candidates selected by the state party of the former incumbent. In Oregon, Wisconsin and OKlahoma, a special election must be held to fill the vacancy. I think there are other states that the state legislature appoints the replacement i.e. Mass,

Therefore, the state laws vary but generally, the governor does appoint the replacement but it is up to the states to decide that and how much latitude s/he has if any.

I wonder if anyone has challenged these laws? Since the US Const is the supreme law and it gives the governor the power to appoint who he/she wants the gov could ignore state laws and appoint anyone he wants.

Of course it would be political suicide to do so, but it could be done.

I would expect that if Johnson resigns we will see a Republican replacement. Unless there is an obvious choice that we do not know of (son, wife etc)

LOL, how about Daschle.

 

[squirrel dog]

I hope this guy comes through this ok . I knew a lady who had near abouts the same thing,that was in 1980ish and she is fine today . Seems like things like this always crop up around Christmas . God Bless and good luck . The Republican , Squirrel Dog .

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: chowderhead
actually, there are some states that have it written into their state Constitution that directs the governor of that state to appoint someone of the same party as the former incumbent in case of a vacancy - Arizona, Hawaii and Alaska - the last three states to join the union. In Wyoming and Utah, the governor must appoint someone from a list of three candidates selected by the state party of the former incumbent. In Oregon, Wisconsin and OKlahoma, a special election must be held to fill the vacancy. I think there are other states that the state legislature appoints the replacement i.e. Mass,

Therefore, the state laws vary but generally, the governor does appoint the replacement but it is up to the states to decide that and how much latitude s/he has if any.

I wonder if anyone has challenged these laws? Since the US Const is the supreme law and it gives the governor the power to appoint who he/she wants the gov could ignore state laws and appoint anyone he wants.

Of course it would be political suicide to do so, but it could be done.

I would expect that if Johnson resigns we will see a Republican replacement. Unless there is an obvious choice that we do not know of (son, wife etc)

there is nothing to challenge. The US Constitution is pretty clear on this matter regarding Senate vacancies. According to the 17th Amendment:

Clause 2. When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of each State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

The state legislature can establish the parameters of how they want the governor to appoint someone or if at all.

Johnson has a son who served in Iraq and is now a recruiter for the military. He may be interested to run but really we shall have to wait and see what Johnson and his family decide is best for their family. I wish them best of luck for a speedy recovery.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: slash196
Why does the governor get to appoint whoever he wants? Shouldn't the democratic party get to pick the replacement?

Also, I have heard in the past about senators dying, and their wife takes the seat in their place. Is this just a state-by-state thing?

Now I understand some of your posts and statements.

You are totally ignorant of how this country runs. This is Government 101 stuff here, heck they used to teach this stuff in high school. (at least where I live)

The case of the Senator dying was in MO where the Senator won the election right after he had died and the sitting governor appointed his wife for the 2 years till the next election, where she lost.

Maybe you should find some time to read this thing called the Constitution, its an amazing document that spells out all of this for you.

Stop being a dick, this stuff is spelled out by state law.

Read up!

South Dakota law states that the governor can fill the vacancy with a temporary appointment, and that person would serve until the next general election. That means if either Johnson or Sen. John Thune resigned or died, Gov. Mike Rounds would appoint somebody to fill the seat until 2008.

South Dakota has faced a situation in which a sitting U.S. senator was incapacitated by a stroke. In 1969, Sen. Karl Mundt, who served in the same seat now held by Johnson, suffered a stroke. Mundt, who had been in the Senate since 1948, had been re-elected in 1966 to another term.

Mundt never recovered to the point of being able to carry out his duties, said Robert Burns, head of the political science department at South Dakota State University. However, he retained the seat until his term ended in 1973, even though he had been stripped of committee assignments in 1972.

"Even though he was really incapacitated, he did not resign the seat, so the state could not take any steps to fill it," Burns said.


Mundt ? the longest-serving senator in South Dakota history ? died in 1974.

Note:
Some states, among them Texas and Wisconsin, must hold special elections in such situations. That makes much more sense to me. A governor should not be able to single handedly overturn the popular sentiment (overwhelmingly anti-Republican) of the country!

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: chowderhead
actually, there are some states that have it written into their state Constitution that directs the governor of that state to appoint someone of the same party as the former incumbent in case of a vacancy - Arizona, Hawaii and Alaska - the last three states to join the union. In Wyoming and Utah, the governor must appoint someone from a list of three candidates selected by the state party of the former incumbent. In Oregon, Wisconsin and OKlahoma, a special election must be held to fill the vacancy. I think there are other states that the state legislature appoints the replacement i.e. Mass,

Therefore, the state laws vary but generally, the governor does appoint the replacement but it is up to the states to decide that and how much latitude s/he has if any.

I wonder if anyone has challenged these laws? Since the US Const is the supreme law and it gives the governor the power to appoint who he/she wants the gov could ignore state laws and appoint anyone he wants.

Of course it would be political suicide to do so, but it could be done.

I would expect that if Johnson resigns we will see a Republican replacement. Unless there is an obvious choice that we do not know of (son, wife etc)

He's not going to resign. He's recovering! Time to go lick those wounds again!

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The case of the Senator dying was in MO where the Senator won the election right after he had died and the sitting governor appointed his wife for the 2 years till the next election, where she lost.

And then there was the case of the President who was functionally comatose. He continues to serve out his term.

 

[xr71]

Liberals always cry foul when the shoe's on the other foot.

When Republican Paul Coverdell died, Democratic Governor Roy Barnes appointed Democrat Zell Miller in his place.

When Republican John Heinz died, Democratic Governor Bob Casey appointed Democrat Harris Wofford in his place.

Funny too, how the lefties want Nancy Pelosi to usurp the Presidency despite the fact that the American people rallied together and twice rejected the Democrats in favor of George W. Bush.

 

[OrByte]

just like rat bastard republicans to try and usurp legislative power over a sick man's hospital bed.

despicable.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: xr71
Liberals always cry foul when the shoe's on the other foot.

When Republican Paul Coverdell died, Democratic Governor Roy Barnes appointed Democrat Zell Miller in his place.

When Republican John Heinz died, Democratic Governor Bob Casey appointed Democrat Harris Wofford in his place.

Funny too, how the lefties want Nancy Pelosi to usurp the Presidency despite the fact that the American people rallied together and twice rejected the Democrats in favor of George W. Bush.

Things are a little different now. This governor has the potential to completely change the will of the american people.

The american people just completely rejected everything the republicans have stood for over the past 6 years. If the governor has the opportunity and elects to put in a republican, he has chosen to ingore the desires expressed by the american voter merely a month ago.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: xr71
Liberals always cry foul when the shoe's on the other foot.

When Republican Paul Coverdell died, Democratic Governor Roy Barnes appointed Democrat Zell Miller in his place.

When Republican John Heinz died, Democratic Governor Bob Casey appointed Democrat Harris Wofford in his place.

Funny too, how the lefties want Nancy Pelosi to usurp the Presidency despite the fact that the American people rallied together and twice rejected the Democrats in favor of George W. Bush.

LIBRULZ

LEFTIES



Oh wait. You're serious?

lol

Besides, there, bucky, the shoe ain't necessarily awwwn tha ather foot. Ya see, tha Sentor continas ta improoove.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: xr71
Liberals always cry foul when the shoe's on the other foot.

When Republican Paul Coverdell died, Democratic Governor Roy Barnes appointed Democrat Zell Miller in his place.

When Republican John Heinz died, Democratic Governor Bob Casey appointed Democrat Harris Wofford in his place.

Funny too, how the lefties want Nancy Pelosi to usurp the Presidency despite the fact that the American people rallied together and twice rejected the Democrats in favor of George W. Bush.

What don't you understand about the difference between DYING and having a SURGERY?? I guess YOIUR the one trying to call foul with NO PRECEDENT. :roll:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: xr71
Liberals always cry foul when the shoe's on the other foot.

When Republican Paul Coverdell died, Democratic Governor Roy Barnes appointed Democrat Zell Miller in his place.

When Republican John Heinz died, Democratic Governor Bob Casey appointed Democrat Harris Wofford in his place.

Funny too, how the lefties want Nancy Pelosi to usurp the Presidency despite the fact that the American people rallied together and twice rejected the Democrats in favor of George W. Bush.

Things are a little different now.

This governor has the potential to completely change the will of the american people.

The american people just completely rejected everything the republicans have stood for over the past 6 years. If the governor has the opportunity and elects to put in a republican, he has chosen to ingore the desires expressed by the american voter merely a month ago.

It's not a representative Government, it hasn't been for a long time.

Only a revolution by the people can restore the true "will" of the people.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

http://www.keloland.com/News/NewsDetail6371.cfm?Id=0,53232

Senator Tim Johnson continues to show signs of improvement as he recovers from bleeding in his brain that put him in the hospital Wednesday.

The latest reports are that Johnson was experiencing some post surgery swelling in his brain. But doctors at George Washington University Hospital say that's normal. They're still classifying his condition as critical, but stable. Back in South Dakota, Governor Mike Rounds has been in contact with Johnson's wife Barbara. He says the outlook of Johnson's recovery is good.

Rounds says, ?She's very, very upbeat, very positive. All of the information they're getting about Senator Johnson's condition is very positive.?

Johnson could spend months in physical therapy, even after being released from the hospital. And while the timing of his return to the Senate is unknown, political experts say Democrats would still be in control even if, as doctors predict, Johnson's recovery period extends into the new session.

Republican Senator John Thune says he's been getting updates on Johnson's condition while he is in Pakistan. He says he's glad to be hearing encouraging news.

Thune says since he came to the Senate, he and Johnson have cooperated on a variety of issues -- and he says he wants it to continue that way. Even though the national focus seems to be on the one-vote margin Democrats will hold in the next Congress, Thune says he's most hopeful Johnson has a full and quick recovery.

Good news for Johnson's family AND America!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: xr71
Liberals always cry foul when the shoe's on the other foot.

When Republican Paul Coverdell died, Democratic Governor Roy Barnes appointed Democrat Zell Miller in his place.

When Republican John Heinz died, Democratic Governor Bob Casey appointed Democrat Harris Wofford in his place.

Funny too, how the lefties want Nancy Pelosi to usurp the Presidency despite the fact that the American people rallied together and twice rejected the Democrats in favor of George W. Bush.

Zell Miller? AH HA HA HA HA HA HA. Yeah, we always see Democrats giving speeches at the REPUBLICAN National Conventions.

Wofford only served 6 months before the special election was held (and one in which he won by 10%, a rather solid win).


But, in this case, Johnson is quite alive and is not a valid analogy.


As for your Pelosi rambling, uh, wtf? Go on back to freeperville.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: xr71
Funny too, how the lefties want Nancy Pelosi to usurp the Presidency despite the fact that the American people rallied together and twice rejected the Democrats in favor of George W. Bush.

Right, because that 52%-48% majority was really a mandate from Heaven.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Sorry Repugs, Timmy's on the mend still! So sad for you.