Senator Tim Johnson (D) of S. Dakota hospitalized for "stroke-like symptoms"

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I really hope he comes out of this ok but right now I'm LMAO at the Dems. They are on the news talking about former senators who were incapacitated early in their terms, never spent a day in Washington and were allowed to keep their seats. Tim Russert was specifically citing a senator from SD... A Republican senator no less... He had a stroke, never cast a single vote and didn't spend a day in the senate for over four years. He was allowed to finish his term. He also mentioned a senator from CA who couldn't talk after his stroke. He pointed to his eye to indicate a "yes" vote.

See? It doesn't mater if he's brain dead. Precident! :laugh:

Who was that senator form SD?? I seem to have forgotten that, unless it happened long ago??

Anyway, what I find funny is the Republicans salivatating over the possiblity of picking up a "free" seat in the Senate. Politics at it's finest!!

A great deal of conservatives were probably hoping for the worst. They won't admit it, but they did.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I really hope he comes out of this ok but right now I'm LMAO at the Dems. They are on the news talking about former senators who were incapacitated early in their terms, never spent a day in Washington and were allowed to keep their seats. Tim Russert was specifically citing a senator from SD... A Republican senator no less... He had a stroke, never cast a single vote and didn't spend a day in the senate for over four years. He was allowed to finish his term. He also mentioned a senator from CA who couldn't talk after his stroke. He pointed to his eye to indicate a "yes" vote.

See? It doesn't mater if he's brain dead. Precident! :laugh:

Who was that senator form SD?? I seem to have forgotten that, unless it happened long ago??

Anyway, what I find funny is the Republicans salivatating over the possiblity of picking up a "free" seat in the Senate. Politics at it's finest!!

A great deal of conservatives were probably hoping for the worst. They won't admit it, but they did.

Freerepublic was a real hoot last night, first they start off with "We hope the best for him, we do not hate like the liberals at DU or KoS!" Well, less then a page later and it is a deathwishfest. Conservatives, bless their tiny little black greedy hearts.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I really hope he comes out of this ok but right now I'm LMAO at the Dems. They are on the news talking about former senators who were incapacitated early in their terms, never spent a day in Washington and were allowed to keep their seats. Tim Russert was specifically citing a senator from SD... A Republican senator no less... He had a stroke, never cast a single vote and didn't spend a day in the senate for over four years. He was allowed to finish his term. He also mentioned a senator from CA who couldn't talk after his stroke. He pointed to his eye to indicate a "yes" vote.

See? It doesn't mater if he's brain dead. Precident! :laugh:

Who was that senator form SD?? I seem to have forgotten that, unless it happened long ago??

Anyway, what I find funny is the Republicans salivatating over the possiblity of picking up a "free" seat in the Senate. Politics at it's finest!!

A great deal of conservatives were probably hoping for the worst. They won't admit it, but they did.

Freerepublic was a real hoot last night, first they start off with "We hope the best for him, we do not hate like the liberals at DU or KoS!" Well, less then a page later and it is a deathwishfest. Conservatives, bless their tiny little black greedy hearts.

Seriously, it's a failure of their parentage.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I really hope he comes out of this ok but right now I'm LMAO at the Dems. They are on the news talking about former senators who were incapacitated early in their terms, never spent a day in Washington and were allowed to keep their seats. Tim Russert was specifically citing a senator from SD... A Republican senator no less... He had a stroke, never cast a single vote and didn't spend a day in the senate for over four years. He was allowed to finish his term. He also mentioned a senator from CA who couldn't talk after his stroke. He pointed to his eye to indicate a "yes" vote.

See? It doesn't mater if he's brain dead. Precident! :laugh:

Who was that senator form SD?? I seem to have forgotten that, unless it happened long ago??

Anyway, what I find funny is the Republicans salivatating over the possiblity of picking up a "free" seat in the Senate. Politics at it's finest!!

A great deal of conservatives were probably hoping for the worst. They won't admit it, but they did.

Oh give it a rest. Most conservatives dont care who controls the senate because both parties are free spending drunks.

If the republicans get it back, all it will do is reinforce their attitudes.

Personally I hope the guy makes it out with a clean bill of health. That is all that matters in this story at this time imo.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Craig234
I hope he's ok, too. I'd heard a rumor that if the Senate went 50 50, that Olympia Snow might move to the democrats. Hopeefully that's correct.

It should be illegal for lawmakers to change party while in office.

Youre voted in on one party/platform and then switch to another?

Thats fraud. Once you are up for re-election you can do what you want.

Yeah, I know, change the rules when you stand a chance of losing?

That happened in Georgia, appointed a Democrat when a Republican died. After it was only fair that a Democrat get appointned, all the papers even nationally applauded Barnes for doing so. After all it was the right thing to do.

So, basically the law is only good and okay if you agree with it and your side wins.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Personally I hope the guy makes it out with a clean bill of health. That is all that matters in this story at this time imo.

As much as this might be the right thing to say, it's utter nonsense.

If the Dems had a 54-46 majority in the Senate, this story might get one paragraph and there wouldn't even be a thread on AT PN. But this story will have legs as long as control of the Senate hangs in the balance. That is 99% of what this story is about.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Genx87
Personally I hope the guy makes it out with a clean bill of health. That is all that matters in this story at this time imo.

As much as this might be the right thing to say, it's utter nonsense.

If the Dems had a 54-46 majority in the Senate, this story might get one paragraph and there wouldn't even be a thread on AT PN. But this story will have legs as long as control of the Senate hangs in the balance. That is 99% of what this story is about.

Now that's what I call 92% cacao bean. True, though.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Genx87
Personally I hope the guy makes it out with a clean bill of health. That is all that matters in this story at this time imo.

As much as this might be the right thing to say, it's utter nonsense.

If the Dems had a 54-46 majority in the Senate, this story might get one paragraph and there wouldn't even be a thread on AT PN. But this story will have legs as long as control of the Senate hangs in the balance. That is 99% of what this story is about.

Maybe you missed the part where I said "personally". You can make the story anything youwant it to be. For me, his health is the only thing that matters.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Genx87
Personally I hope the guy makes it out with a clean bill of health. That is all that matters in this story at this time imo.

As much as this might be the right thing to say, it's utter nonsense.

If the Dems had a 54-46 majority in the Senate, this story might get one paragraph and there wouldn't even be a thread on AT PN. But this story will have legs as long as control of the Senate hangs in the balance. That is 99% of what this story is about.

Maybe you missed the part where I said "personally". You can make the story anything youwant it to be. For me, his health is the only thing that matters.

I was with you all the way through your first sentence. But as soon as you commented on what "matters in this story," I had to take issue. Adding "imo" merely makes clear you're commenting on what in your opinion matters to others, as it isn't a matter of your own opinion what matters to you.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Genx87
Personally I hope the guy makes it out with a clean bill of health. That is all that matters in this story at this time imo.

As much as this might be the right thing to say, it's utter nonsense.

If the Dems had a 54-46 majority in the Senate, this story might get one paragraph and there wouldn't even be a thread on AT PN. But this story will have legs as long as control of the Senate hangs in the balance. That is 99% of what this story is about.

Maybe you missed the part where I said "personally". You can make the story anything youwant it to be. For me, his health is the only thing that matters.

I was with you all the way through your first sentence. But as soon as you commented on what "matters in this story," I had to take issue. Adding "imo" merely makes clear you're commenting on what in your opinion matters to others, as it isn't a matter of your own opinion what matters to you.

Jesus H, are you this obtuse off the msgboard? How much more clear can I make it?

Seriously.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Here's a link:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Senat...on_reportedly_suffers_stroke_1213.html

If Johnson were to pass away, or be forced to retire, the US Constitution delegates the task of appointing a replacement to South Dakota lawmakers, who in turn, often turn that task over to the Governor. The Governor of that state, Mike Rounds, is a Republican, and both houses of the state legislature are dominated by Republicans.

In the case of South Dakota, the decision would fall to Rounds, whose appointment would serve as senator until 2008 at which point Johnson's seat would have been up for election anyhow.

Actually thats not true...
Its the govenor who appoints his replacement!!
The Govenors word is final!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Craig234
I hope he's ok, too. I'd heard a rumor that if the Senate went 50 50, that Olympia Snow might move to the democrats. Hopeefully that's correct.

still dreaming I see...hehee

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I really hope he comes out of this ok but right now I'm LMAO at the Dems. They are on the news talking about former senators who were incapacitated early in their terms, never spent a day in Washington and were allowed to keep their seats. Tim Russert was specifically citing a senator from SD... A Republican senator no less... He had a stroke, never cast a single vote and didn't spend a day in the senate for over four years. He was allowed to finish his term. He also mentioned a senator from CA who couldn't talk after his stroke. He pointed to his eye to indicate a "yes" vote.

See? It doesn't mater if he's brain dead. Precident! :laugh:

Who was that senator form SD?? I seem to have forgotten that, unless it happened long ago??

Anyway, what I find funny is the Republicans salivatating over the possiblity of picking up a "free" seat in the Senate. Politics at it's finest!!

I don't remember. I was flipping channels this morning and caught Tim Russert listing off names of senators and congressmen who had served out their terms despite being completely incapcitated. That was on MSNBC

Then I flipped to CNN and there was another talking (didn't recognize him) head saying the same stuff.

The whole thing is pretty morbid if you ask me... On both sides. But the D reaction is still hillarious. Nobody has even stated his condition publically yet and they are already out there saying that he can serve even if he's a cabbage. The libs must be in a tizzy about the possibility of losing the senate as SD's gov would most likely replace Johnson with an R.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I really hope he comes out of this ok but right now I'm LMAO at the Dems. They are on the news talking about former senators who were incapacitated early in their terms, never spent a day in Washington and were allowed to keep their seats. Tim Russert was specifically citing a senator from SD... A Republican senator no less... He had a stroke, never cast a single vote and didn't spend a day in the senate for over four years. He was allowed to finish his term. He also mentioned a senator from CA who couldn't talk after his stroke. He pointed to his eye to indicate a "yes" vote.

See? It doesn't mater if he's brain dead. Precident! :laugh:

Who was that senator form SD?? I seem to have forgotten that, unless it happened long ago??

Anyway, what I find funny is the Republicans salivatating over the possiblity of picking up a "free" seat in the Senate. Politics at it's finest!!

A great deal of conservatives were probably hoping for the worst. They won't admit it, but they did.

Freerepublic was a real hoot last night, first they start off with "We hope the best for him, we do not hate like the liberals at DU or KoS!" Well, less then a page later and it is a deathwishfest. Conservatives, bless their tiny little black greedy hearts.

Then there's the movie ?Death of a President?. Democrats, bless their tiny little black greedy hearts? No, only a fanatic such as yourself would stereotype in such a way, and it?s the fanatics on both ends of the spectrum who would have a ?deathwishfest? as you called it.

Name one conservative on P&N who has been joyous over the Senator?s stroke.

 

[BoomerD]

First off, I hope the guy recovers fully from this. From what they were saying earlier, there's still the posibility of some brain damage from all this...


Next, really, what does it matter if the governor appoints a repig as his replacement? The Dems don't have enough votes to over-ride a veto anyway, so this won't really change anything. The Senate can't pass anything without House support, and the Dems have a pretty solid majority there. YES, this gives ol "Black-Heart Cheney" the deciding vote on anything 50/50, but if it's that close, hopefully the house will have some control of the issue anyway, and if Cheney votes against it, it wouldn't have a chance of getting signed by Bushie either...since "Dead-Eye Dick" tells him what to sign and what NOT to sign...

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: BDawg
CNN is now reporting that it was not a stroke and not a heart attack. No link, they were talking about it when I was eating dinner.

Most Recent:

Update on Johnson's Condition

Word has it that he is speaking and is expected to be fine. More to come...

Wow, good thing your last thread was closed. Care to revise your statement on this not being a significant event? I would think anyone who has brain surgery would consider that a big deal.

I guess not.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas


Name one conservative on P&N who has been joyous over the Senator?s stroke.

Yeah right, you all bite your tongues about a lot of stuff in here, like your going to say it under your screename, go to a anonymous board today and the conservatives sing a whole other tune.
Regardless, most of the folks here are pretty rational this is why I like to post here, I hope none of you all are really as hateful as the rest of the webs righties.

A movie is not wishing the death of anyone, it is a fictional account. That is a pretty pathetic talking point though.

You know you gotta be desperate when you have to use a fictional film from another country.

I am no fan of bush -obviously, but as another human being I would stop someone trying to take his life. I do not think my enemies are subhuman and should just die or people in trouble/hard times are not worth the effort to give a helping hand to.

That I am not so sure some in here from the right wing can say with complete honesty.

 

[GoPackGo]

Anyone who is happy over this is a sick individual.

 

[Bitek]

Dr Frist just reviewed his case, he says he's fine.

Maybe Cheney tried to poison him? If Putin could do it, why couldn't he?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Jaskalas


Name one conservative on P&N who has been joyous over the Senator?s stroke.

Yeah right, you all bite your tongues about a lot of stuff in here, like your going to say it under your screename

Worst... Troll... Ever...
How the hell can you sit there and insinuate that anyone here is happy about this? I seriously can't believe the venom you spew sometimes.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
First off, I hope the guy recovers fully from this. From what they were saying earlier, there's still the posibility of some brain damage from all this...


Next, really, what does it matter if the governor appoints a repig as his replacement? The Dems don't have enough votes to over-ride a veto anyway, so this won't really change anything. The Senate can't pass anything without House support, and the Dems have a pretty solid majority there. YES, this gives ol "Black-Heart Cheney" the deciding vote on anything 50/50, but if it's that close, hopefully the house will have some control of the issue anyway, and if Cheney votes against it, it wouldn't have a chance of getting signed by Bushie either...since "Dead-Eye Dick" tells him what to sign and what NOT to sign...

It's huge whether dems contrrol the Senate. While they can't override a veto, it gives them complete control over the committees - chairs, what issues are brought up for a vote, what gets investigated, etc. The republicans have left the democrats with pretty much as little power as possible for years, breaking old traditions about the minority power having some say, not even telling dems where meetings are held so that the dem staffs run around the capitol looking for them...

The dems can do real oversite with the majority and they are unable to without.

 

[straightalker]

Originally posted by: Craig234
It's huge whether dems contrrol the Senate. While they can't override a veto, it gives them complete control over the committees - chairs, what issues are brought up for a vote, what gets investigated, etc. The republicans have left the democrats with pretty much as little power as possible for years, breaking old traditions about the minority power having some say, not even telling dems where meetings are held so that the dem staffs run around the capitol looking for them...

The dems can do real oversite with the majority and they are unable to without.

America is still occupied by occupunks. Though having a breakup of one occupunk's solid majority and introducing some friction can only be positive. In as much as it slows the occupation down. As one piece of total filth fights another piece of total filth across partisan lines.

Agreed?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: BoomerD
First off, I hope the guy recovers fully from this. From what they were saying earlier, there's still the posibility of some brain damage from all this...


Next, really, what does it matter if the governor appoints a repig as his replacement? The Dems don't have enough votes to over-ride a veto anyway, so this won't really change anything. The Senate can't pass anything without House support, and the Dems have a pretty solid majority there. YES, this gives ol "Black-Heart Cheney" the deciding vote on anything 50/50, but if it's that close, hopefully the house will have some control of the issue anyway, and if Cheney votes against it, it wouldn't have a chance of getting signed by Bushie either...since "Dead-Eye Dick" tells him what to sign and what NOT to sign...

It's huge whether dems contrrol the Senate. While they can't override a veto, it gives them complete control over the committees - chairs, what issues are brought up for a vote, what gets investigated, etc. The republicans have left the democrats with pretty much as little power as possible for years, breaking old traditions about the minority power having some say, not even telling dems where meetings are held so that the dem staffs run around the capitol looking for them...

The dems can do real oversite with the majority and they are unable to without.

I decided to come back just so I could disagree with Craig.

The senate has always been a little less ?populist? than the house, therefore most of the trouble and investigating will happen in the house.

The way the senate is run it takes a lot more working as a group to get things done. In the house all you need is 50%+1 and you can do whatever you want.

The only major difference in whether the Republicans take back the senate will be on judges, since it would make it easier to get them up for a vote if the Republicans controlled it. Plus it would stop the Dems from blocking every judge Bush appoints.

Otherwise nothing will change.

Will be very interesting to see what kind of pressure is placed on him to retire after this. I am sure his doctors will suggest that course of action as well.

 

[Craig234]

I decided to come back just so I could disagree with Craig.

The senate has always been a little less ?populist? than the house, therefore most of the trouble and investigating will happen in the house.

The way the senate is run it takes a lot more working as a group to get things done. In the house all you need is 50%+1 and you can do whatever you want.

The only major difference in whether the Republicans take back the senate will be on judges, since it would make it easier to get them up for a vote if the Republicans controlled it. Plus it would stop the Dems from blocking every judge Bush appoints.

Otherwise nothing will change.

Will be very interesting to see what kind of pressure is placed on him to retire after this. I am sure his doctors will suggest that course of action as well.

Welcome back, I was about to email you and ask what happened.

I see your logic has not been affected.

The senate has always been a little less ?populist? than the house,

This is true - just don't take it past the truth to 'not at all populist'.

therefore most of the trouble and investigating will happen in the house.

But this is not implied.

Your comment asserts that any 'investigating' - and what you charmingly call 'trouble' as opposed to 'the Congress doing its job to protect the public interest from executive abuse' - is strictly a 'populist' thing. It's not. The Senate has strong oversite responsibilities whether or not it's as 'populist' as the House. Different culture; still investigative.

You say the only changes we'll see with a democratic Senate are over judges; you are in for a big surprise.

 

[ProfJohn]

Craig,

With Dems having the house I just don't see the change in the Senate being that big of a deal. It is the icing on the cake. The house has more power and it is easier to weld that power than in the senate where 41 senators can stop anything.

I am not a big fan of the way the senate is run, especially on judges and the like. I would have liked to have seen the so called nuclear option pushed to end the judge deadlock.
IMO the const is pretty clear on the senate and its duty to approve of the judges and that approval only needs 50%+1 vote.

While on the senate and such, I am happy with Romney and how he tried to force the Mass leg into voting for or again the marriage amendment. The law was pretty clear, they should vote for or against it, not just ignore it.

To many people trying to avoid issues like this in our country.