Senators try sabotage: Republicans Warn Iran Against Nuclear Deal With Obama

[schmuckley]

Let me get this straight. You contend that Iran will bypass all the IAEA safeguards that any agreement would have in order to nuke Israel & assure their own destruction, correct?

Yessir..That is the core of their basic doctrine.
Kill the Jew.bring on the Apocalypse..

duh..
For such an enlightened..eh..nm.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yessir..That is the core of their basic doctrine.
Kill the Jew.bring on the Apocalypse..

duh..
For such an enlightened..eh..nm.

nm for sure, at least not any that's rational.

 

[Jaskalas]

Even the Bushistas lacked the arrogant stupidity to attack Iran.

Bush blew it on Saddam.
Iran was next, the only problem was we weren't greeted with flowers and chocolates.

It's sure as !@#$ wasn't due to intelligence that Bush failed to ruin more countries and birth more genocide like ISIS.

 

[cubby1223]

We're just going to simplify this subject matter to what the end result will be:

-No legal action will be taken against any of the Senators who signed the open letter.
-No measurable retaliation will be taken against any of the Senators during the next election cycle.
-The only thing of any measurable change is partisan political junkies will have their anger amplified for a few days before finding their next item to rage about.

The only reason to pay any attention to this story (unless you are directly involved in Middle-East affairs, that is), is if you enjoy being angry. All Republicans have stated is the already known fact that if they do not agree with the deal then it can be changed depending on who is elected President next. Have fun with your anger guys


Well, I do retract my earlier comment about what foreign leaders already expect or don't expect, and I was wrong, there was one who had to learn the hard way that deals are not permanent:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/22/poland-foreign-minister-alliance-us-worthless

 

[IGBT]

under sharia law Iran is under no obligation to honor any agreement with the obama..but they are more then happy to tie up the obama with his own agreement. The Iranians are giving the obama all the rope he needs to hang himself.

 

[fskimospy]

Of course, Democrat Congresscritters visiting brutal dictators who shred their political enemies in industrial plastic shredders, that's different. That's, like, heroic and stuff. 'Cause they got the magic "D".

Congressmen meet with foreign leaders fairly frequently. They do not attempt to sabotage foreign policy or articulate a separate foreign policy. Why? Because that's illegal and unconstitutional.

Now we have a situation where despite the executive being the sole organ of diplomacy with other nations, congress is trying to run a parallel show on the Iran issue. This is a dumb and dangerous idea because it undermines US foreign policy generally. I have no idea why anyone would support this foolishness, except I guess in your case because they have the magic R.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

The seven who didn't sign:

Bob Corker of Tennessee, who is the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Corker is the sponsor of a bill that would increase sanctions on Iran only if Congress rejects a final agreement with Iran;

Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, a Washington veteran. His spokesman said the senator had expressed his view by agreeing to co-sponsor the Corker bill;

Dan Coats of Indiana, whose office declined to comment;

Susan Collins of Maine, a leading moderate Republican;

Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, who also sometimes bucks her party;

Thad Cochran of Mississippi; and

Jeff Flake of Arizona, whose office told me Flake also supports Corker's bill because he thinks the Senate ought to have a say in any deal but considered the letter "unnecessary."

 

[rudder]

Egypt is also a large trading partner with Iraq, much larger than Germany as a % of GDP. Same with Jordan. If you're using that to discount Germany, then you need to discount those two as well.

So now that we know that two of the three additional countries you mentioned as having problems with this deal have the same conflict of interest that you used to disqualify Germany's opinion, will this alter your thinking even one iota?

Germany does not have to worry about Iran setting up shop next door. Jordan and Iran have a common enemy at the moment. The two countries have discussed military strategy against ISIS. Beyond that I seriously doubt Jordan would like to see Iran's influence in the region grow. Which would happen if Iran can do away with sanctions. Egypt and Saudi Arabia have the same concerns over Iran. So no, no change on my thinking.

 

[emperus]

 

[Newell Steamer]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-gop-letter-on-nuclear-negotiations-a-propaganda-ploy/

In response, Zarif brushed the letter aside, saying it "has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy."

"It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history," he added.

The GOP: Even Iran Says We Suck.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Looks like Congress has a pen and a phone too!

 

[MomentsofSanity]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-gop-letter-on-nuclear-negotiations-a-propaganda-ploy/



The GOP: Even Iran Says We Suck.

Interesting read. Zarif seems to be far more up to speed on international/Constitutional laws as it relates to Executive Agreements than the Senate.

 

[fskimospy]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-gop-letter-on-nuclear-negotiations-a-propaganda-ploy/

The GOP: Even Iran Says We Suck.

If you've somehow gotten Iran and the NY Daily News on the same side against you, you must have done something amazingly stupid.

Also, it's kind of amusing/depressing that the Iranian foreign minister is having to explain to our legislators how these agreements work. Just a total embarrassment here.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

With this and the Netanyahu invitation it seems clear what the GOP strategy will be for the next two years to undermine Obama. This will be both entertaining and tragic at the same time.

 

[CitizenKain]

Interesting read. Zarif seems to be far more up to speed on international/Constitutional laws as it relates to Executive Agreements than the Senate.

Unlike the GOP members, Zarif has probably cracked open a book in the last couple of years.

 

[emperus]

Looks like Congress has a pen and a phone too!

Have you found any Republican idea no matter how foolish you don't agree with?

 

[thraashman]

So can we just go ahead and admit these GOP Senators should be charged with treason now? It may be time for violent action to remove them from office, even if it's by private citizens. We as citizens cannot stand idly by and just allow the constant seditious and treasonous acts of the GOP to go unpunished.

 

[FerrelGeek]

“I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

Hillary Rodham Clinton*

*Only applies when it's a R administration and the dissent is by Ds

 

[Jhhnn]

With this and the Netanyahu invitation it seems clear what the GOP strategy will be for the next two years to undermine Obama. This will be both entertaining and tragic at the same time.

That's been their strategy since the 2008 election. Faced with near economic collapse brought on by their own ideology & governance they deflect, tear down the opposition, refuse to re-evaluate their own most cherished beliefs.

 

[fskimospy]

“I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

Hillary Rodham Clinton*

*Only applies when it's a R administration and the dissent is by Ds

How on earth does that apply here?

 

[Jhhnn]

“I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

Hillary Rodham Clinton*

*Only applies when it's a R administration and the dissent is by Ds

Such dissent should remain an internal matter. Anybody who represents themselves as a patriot cannot rightfully drag foreign govts into the middle of it.

 

[Jhhnn]

We're just going to simplify this subject matter to what the end result will be:

-No legal action will be taken against any of the Senators who signed the open letter.
-No measurable retaliation will be taken against any of the Senators during the next election cycle.
-The only thing of any measurable change is partisan political junkies will have their anger amplified for a few days before finding their next item to rage about.

The only reason to pay any attention to this story (unless you are directly involved in Middle-East affairs, that is), is if you enjoy being angry. All Republicans have stated is the already known fact that if they do not agree with the deal then it can be changed depending on who is elected President next. Have fun with your anger guys


Well, I do retract my earlier comment about what foreign leaders already expect or don't expect, and I was wrong, there was one who had to learn the hard way that deals are not permanent:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/22/poland-foreign-minister-alliance-us-worthless

That last bit is entirely dishonest. What part of our agreements w/ Poland has America not lived up to?

 

[Brainonska511]

“I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

Hillary Rodham Clinton*

*Only applies when it's a R administration and the dissent is by Ds

Does dissent and disagreement also cover letters aimed at scuttling negations with foreign powers? Because speaking out in disagreement on the domestic front and actively sending letters to said foreign powers are rather different things.

If Congress wants to see something in the agreement, they are free to do that - they can pass legislation that outlines what they want in an agreement along with some guideposts, like executive reporting (ie: every 90-180 days) on whether Iran is holding to the agreement. They shouldn't be trying to subvert our negotiating position by going around the president. The executive alone has the power to negotiate treaties. The Senate only has the power of advice and consent. And the latter doesn't include the many instances of executive agreements, which do not require the advice and consent of the Senate.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Such dissent should remain an internal matter. Anybody who represents themselves as a patriot cannot rightfully drag foreign govts into the middle of it.

You wouldn't say that if the parties were reversed and you know it. You're nothing but an effing D shill. I have equal contempt for both parties.

 

[fskimospy]

You wouldn't say that if the parties were reversed and you know it. You're nothing but an effing D shill. I have equal contempt for both parties.

Bullshit. What the Republicans are doing here is not just irresponsible, it is potentially illegal/unconstitutional. When the situation is reversed in the future do you want Democratic congressmen attempting to sabotage international agreements like this?

This is bad behavior no matter who is in the White House. The mockery these clowns are getting for their stunt is richly deserved.