Senior intelligence briefers: President is endangering American security due to being a moron

yllus

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I thought I'd clarify the title of the piece to remove the obfuscation that's occurring due to Time being overly polite. I actually don't consider this as big a problem as these senior advisers claim it is; as long as we don't straight up get WW3 started, inaction on the part of the United States is probably best for everyone right now.

TIME - 'Willful Ignorance.' Inside President Trump's Troubled Intelligence Briefings

In the wake of President Donald Trump’s renewed attacks on the U.S. intelligence community this week, senior intelligence briefers are breaking two years of silence to warn that the President is endangering American security with what they say is a stubborn disregard for their assessments.​
Citing multiple in-person episodes, these intelligence officials say Trump displays what one called “willful ignorance” when presented with analyses generated by America’s $81 billion-a-year intelligence services. The officials, who include analysts who prepare Trump’s briefs and the briefers themselves, describe futile attempts to keep his attention by using visual aids, confining some briefing points to two or three sentences, and repeating his name and title as frequently as possible.​
What is most troubling, say these officials and others in government and on Capitol Hill who have been briefed on the episodes, are Trump’s angry reactions when he is given information that contradicts positions he has taken or beliefs he holds. Two intelligence officers even reported that they have been warned to avoid giving the President intelligence assessments that contradict stances he has taken in public.​
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The problem has existed since the beginning of Trump’s presidency, the intelligence officials say, and for a time they tried to respond to the President’s behavior in briefings with dark humor. After a briefing in preparation for a meeting with British Prime Minister Theresa May, for example, the subject turned to the British Indian Ocean Territory of Diego Garcia. The island is home to an important airbase and a U.S. Naval Support Facility that are central to America’s ability to project power in the region, including in the war in Afghanistan.​
The President, officials familiar with the briefing said, asked two questions: Are the people nice, and are the beaches good? “Some of us wondered if he was thinking about our alliance with the Brits and the security issues in an important area where the Chinese have been increasingly active, or whether he was thinking like a real estate developer,” one of the officials said wryly.​
In another briefing on South Asia, Trump’s advisors brought a map of the region from Afghanistan to Bangladesh, according to intelligence officers with knowledge of the meeting and congressional officials who were briefed on it. Trump, they said, pointed at the map and said he knew that Nepal was part of India, only to be told that it is an independent nation. When said he was familiar with Bhutan and knew it, too, was part of India, his briefers told him that Bhutan was an independent kingdom. Last August, Politico reported on president’s mispronunciation of the names of the two countries during the same briefing.​
 

Texashiker

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Obama administration allows US citizens to be killed by drone strike, nobody bats and eye. One of the people was a 17 year old minor.

"President [Trump] is endangering American security" and everyone loses their mind.
 

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Obama administration allows US citizens to be killed by drone strike, nobody bats and eye. One of the people was a 17 year old minor.

"President [Trump] is endangering American security" and everyone loses their mind.

I was never a fan of the use of drone strikes. You will never find a comment from me in any form in any place saying otherwise. Funny thing is, they didn't stop when Obama left office... they have continued to increase. Are you even serious right now? If you are, you're an idiot.
 

Texashiker

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Funny thing is, they didn't stop when Obama left office... they have continued to increase. Are you even serious right now? If you are, you're an idiot.

Has Trump authorized the military to kill US citizens wihout due process, including a 17 year old?
 

PJFrylar

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Has Trump authorized the military to kill US citizens wihout due process, including a 17 year old?

Read this, actually read it:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-trump-team-s-first-military-raid-went-wrong-n806246

Yes it was an operation that began under Obama's watch. It was rather flippantly approved by Trump. Obama made mistakes... I'm not even trying to pretend he didn't. I don't know if it is even good or bad that they were well considered mistakes. Trump just goes by whims.

Edit: I am sure though that Trump's mistakes when he just fires from the hip are bad. That is what this thread is about, Trump making critical decisions while being adverse to the information required to make those decisions. I don't know how you can in good faith argue that this is a good thing - I really don't. You are acting in bad faith.
 
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Jhhnn

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Obama administration allows US citizens to be killed by drone strike, nobody bats and eye. One of the people was a 17 year old minor.

"President [Trump] is endangering American security" and everyone loses their mind.

Can we get a little more duh-version with that? Disagree with Obama's choices all you want but recognize that he sought to be informed to make good choices. Trump doesn't care about that because he knows more about everything than anybody else, at least in his own mind. He'll tell you so, too-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.84361e462775
 
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Texashiker

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You keep acting this stupid and I'll green light a drone strike on your smoker.

I am honored you remember.



Read this, actually read it:

Yes it was an operation that began under Obama's watch. It was rather flippantly approved by Trump. Obama made mistakes... I'm not even trying to pretend he didn't. I don't know if it is even good or bad that they were well considered mistakes. Trump just goes by whims.

I read it, and I have no opinion. He said, she said... etc.
 

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I am honored you remember.





I read it, and I have no opinion. He said, she said... etc.

1) Read my edit.

2) He/She said ... besides the official public statements. You're trying to bury your head in the sand buddy.

Edit: And I'm done engaging you. Trump himself has stated that you need to kill the families. Everything you are saying is coming from a position of bad faith, you're not worth it.
 
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Vic

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Read this, actually read it:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-trump-team-s-first-military-raid-went-wrong-n806246

Yes it was an operation that began under Obama's watch. It was rather flippantly approved by Trump. Obama made mistakes... I'm not even trying to pretend he didn't. I don't know if it is even good or bad that they were well considered mistakes. Trump just goes by whims.
Texashiker was referring to the 2011 incident, when an American who became an Al queda leader, and who was likely involved in the Ft Hood massacre, was targeted in a drone strike in Yemen, which killed him and his 17 year old son.
It is literally the only time you'll see the right feign outrage over the killing of an Islamic terrorist. And when Trump ordered the raid in 2017 you posted, they said not one word about al-Awlaki's young daughter being killed.
 

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Texashiker was referring to the 2011 incident, when an American who became an Al queda leader, and who was likely involved in the Ft Hood massacre, was targeted in a drone strike in Yemen, which killed him and his 17 year old son.
It is literally the only time you'll see the right feign outrage over the killing of an Islamic terrorist. And when Trump ordered the raid in 2017 you posted, they said not one word about al-Awlaki's young daughter being killed.

I am well aware of what I'm talking about, I'm just pointing out that TH doesn't.
 

Vic

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Was she the target of the strike? Did our military even know she was there?
Why would that make a difference? The military didn't target the 17 year old either, but that doesn't stop you from pretending they did. Because Obama, of course. But when it's Trump, you have plenty of excuses and diversions.
 

Jhhnn

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Trump did say we should kill the terrorists, take out their families, dip our bullets in pig's blood & take the oil... not all in the same sentence but it's easy to catch his drift.
 

Texashiker

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Texashiker was referring to the 2011 incident, when an American who became an Al queda leader, and who was likely involved in the Ft Hood massacre, was targeted in a drone strike in Yemen, which killed him and his 17 year old son.
It is literally the only time you'll see the right feign outrage over the killing of an Islamic terrorist. And when Trump ordered the raid in 2017 you posted, they said not one word about al-Awlaki's young daughter being killed.

Let's break it down:

President Obama ok'ed the military killing a US citizen without due process.

Did our military know the girl was there during the 2017 strike? Was she the target?

Because al-Awlaki was the target of a drone strike.

It is terrible that a child was killed, and it is even worse our own military killed a US citizen.
 
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Texashiker

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I am well aware of what I'm talking about, I'm just pointing out that TH doesn't.

What I do not know, was the girl the target of the drone strike? Because her dad was a target.

Or, was she at the wrong place at the wrong time?

There is a big difference between doing something on purpose, and by accident.
 

Vic

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What I do not know, was the girl the target of the drone strike? Because her dad was a target.

Or, was she at the wrong place at the wrong time?

There is a big difference between doing something on purpose, and by accident.

Yay, now Trump's incompetence can be used for plausible deniability..
 

PJFrylar

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What I do not know, was the girl the target of the drone strike? Because her dad was a target.

Or, was she at the wrong place at the wrong time?

There is a big difference between doing something on purpose, and by accident.
Ah, I see your appeal to Trump now. We wouldn't have to worry about that with him - we know it would have been on purpose.
 
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