Serious family problems...Need Ideas

darianandre

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I'm looking for some help with this problem that my family is having. I figured that since it has to do with video games and internet communities that it would be a good idea to post it here. Please don't say anything like "go write it on your myspace." I really need help and I would feel responsible if something goes wrong.

I get off work today and check my messages and find one that says to call home. I call and my sister picks up the phone. She's not her usual annoyingly energetic self, she doesn't even talk to me and she hands the phone to my mom. Mom says hello and then is quiet for a few minutes, almost crying. She hands the phone to my dad because she doesn't even know where to start. Dad doesn't even care about the 0.0 I got in one of my classes because of an error. They're all worried about one thing, and they're all completely worn out.

My brother plays WoW, and he plays a lot. He used to only play raids and that kind of thing totalling to maybe 20 hours a week. But now he plays over 40 hours a week and he's always on the computer. My sister wants to use the computer and he doesn't let her so, as usual, she goes and complains to the parents. They decide that he plays way too much, they tried to get him to slow down earlier to no avail, so now they go for an intervention.

They think it's unreasonable to play so much so they ask him to tone his hours down and maybe go to some sort of family counseling. He goes crazy and walks in and out of the house bare feet, on a rainy day, after they get done arguing. He says he'd rather kill himself than go to counseling and that he made a commitment to his clan to do raids or whatever on certain days and that he doesn't want to stop. He then goes on to mumble about responsibilty and that he lives his life his way and he does what he thinks he must. My mom says that his language is unusual and seems more like something you would hear in a fantasy book than in a real life situation, and this is when he's speaking about how he's doing in school and his friends and that kind of thing.

He said that he was willing to cut down his hours and talk with me about the issue(Big brother, in college, leads a pretty decent life), but he is still pretty insistent about the suicide vs. counseling thing. I'm probably going home tomorrow but I'm unsure if I should bring it up right away or let him cool down a bit. I did suggest to my parents that we go to the grandparents house because they are the people we respect and trust the most, and the entire family needs to work this out.

At first I thought it was just teen angst, but now I'm beginning to get worried about bigger things like schizophrenia or some manic/anxiety disorder. My sister says that he's pretty much a loner at school even though he used to have a lot of friends.

Any ideas would be appreciated, we're pretty much willing to do anything. My mother is crying all the time and father seems like he's ready to have a heart attack from all the stress he is in. They look like they've pretty much given up, I went through a similar thing but didn't nearly go this far, and I did go to counseling with them.

Cliffs
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1. Brother addicted to WoW
2. Family does a minor intervention.
3. Brother freaks out, talks about suicide, doesn't want to go to counseling, sounds like a different person.
4. I'm going to talk to him about it. Ideas on how to help?
 

KLin

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Your brother seriously needs help. Preventing him from getting on the computer is the first step.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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the only solution is complete withdrawal from that stupid game. you really think your brother can tone down his hours.......please that is complete and utter bs and it will not work.

you all need to intervene and get this kid outside and doing some other activities. sports, theater, whatever........get him out of the house and interacting with real people.
 

Dumac

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40 hours isn't really that much for a week. That could be only 6 hours a day, which isn't much to me. I use to play Everquest, so I know what he is going through. YOu do feel like you made a commitment, because those are other PEOPLE you are playing with and they are counting on you.

I assume he will most likely grow out of it...(WoW will die someday...)

He is your brother. Do you think he is serious about suicide? I doubt it, but you know best. I doubt he has any major mental disorders, but again, brother knows best!

Edit: How old is he?
 

darianandre

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Originally posted by: KLin
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Your brother seriously needs help. Preventing him from getting on the computer is the first step.


Right now we don't let him, but since he's the only one with any computer knowledge since I'm not there he can and will get it back. My family needs the computer, they're all in education(principal, administrator, student).
 

darianandre

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Originally posted by: Dumac
40 hours isn't really that much for a week. That could be only 6 hours a day, which isn't much to me. I use to play Everquest, so I know what he is going through. YOu do feel like you made a commitment, because those are other PEOPLE you are playing with and they are counting on you.

I assume he will most likely grow out of it...(WoW will die someday...)

He is your brother. Do you think he is serious about suicide? I doubt it, but you know best. I doubt he has any major mental disorders, but again, brother knows best!

Edit: How old is he?


17, and I think he's serious about suicide(I was before), I may be overreacting to bad news, but I doubt it. How'd you get off Everquest, did you just grow out of it? I think that might take too long.
 

thelanx

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Your brother is losing his perspective on reality. Probably not some kind of schizophrenia or bi-polar issue, but just that he has become so used to the game and the fantasy world he has trouble seeing the big picture in the real world. Trying to get him to realize that his talk of "responsibility" is delusional and immature probably won't get far as long as he keeps getting influenced by WOW. I would suggest forciblely preventing him from playing WOW for a few months, (it'll probably be like breaking an addiction, it will be hard on him and on your parents). The part that worries me is this threat of suicide, he might be a danger to himself not because he has some suicidal fantasy, but because he has lost his grip on reality and believes that threats of suicide might allow him to continue to play WOW.

My suggestion:

Get counseling and prevent him from playing WOW. Be vigilant and keep him away from sharp objects and other dangers (I hate to say this, but maybe you should put him in an asylum or some other supervised place). It will be hard to break his addiction, but eventually it will get easier. Just becareful in the future as he likely has a weakness for MMORPGs and the like.
 

Powermoloch

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- cut off the internet
- Remove the program (WoW)
- Smash the CD into bits
- have a big talk

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I know it's sucks man...I have the same situation too years ago (diablo 2)
 

darianandre

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Thanks, I guess that's what I'll do. I think I'll screw with the computer so he can't play games for a while without me and set it up so that my family can use my dad's laptop, it has a weak mobility radeon not capable of gaming at any res or speed.

Thanks for the ideas everyone, the answers seem kind of obvious but hard to see underneath all the worry.
 

Powermoloch

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Originally posted by: darianandre
Thanks, I guess that's what I'll do. I think I'll screw with the computer so he can't play games for a while without me and set it up so that my family can use my dad's laptop, it has a weak mobility radeon not capable of gaming at any res or speed.

Thanks for the ideas everyone, the answers seem kind of obvious but hard to see underneath all the worry.

Good luck man, and your bro and your family. Stuff can be out of hand really badly sometimes, sh!t happens.
 

mchammer

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You should discuss with him the things that happened to you and how you took care of them.

Also, if you can get everyone to run non-admin, a software restriction policy will prevent running the game. Only works if you have XP pro though.
 

darianandre

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Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: darianandre
Thanks, I guess that's what I'll do. I think I'll screw with the computer so he can't play games for a while without me and set it up so that my family can use my dad's laptop, it has a weak mobility radeon not capable of gaming at any res or speed.

Thanks for the ideas everyone, the answers seem kind of obvious but hard to see underneath all the worry.

Good luck man, and your bro and your family. Stuff can be out of hand really badly sometimes, sh!t happens.


Yeah, and this isn't the only sh!t we're dealing with. My grandfather is ready to go to jail for my cousin because she has two strikes, my other cousin is getting married to the father of her child at 18, and my grandmother has a gambling problem. We are the normal side of the family, this stuff never happened to us before. It all comes at once.
 

OdiN

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Tell your parents to stop wimping out. Take away his computer privilages and have him get a good ass kicking for not obeying your parents requests.

Your parents obviously don't have the control or respect they should.

How old is he? If he's 18, kick the disrepectful bastard out of the house.
 

Powermoloch

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Originally posted by: OdiN
Tell your parents to stop wimping out. Take away his computer privilages and have him get a good ass kicking for not obeying your parents requests.

Your parents obviously don't have the control or respect they should.

How old is he? If he's 18, kick the disrepectful bastard out of the house.


Yeah, the parents needs to draw a line. It helps alot to give the idea of control, balancing the fun and responsibility.
 

Yossarian

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Originally posted by: darianandre
Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: darianandre
Thanks, I guess that's what I'll do. I think I'll screw with the computer so he can't play games for a while without me and set it up so that my family can use my dad's laptop, it has a weak mobility radeon not capable of gaming at any res or speed.

Thanks for the ideas everyone, the answers seem kind of obvious but hard to see underneath all the worry.

Good luck man, and your bro and your family. Stuff can be out of hand really badly sometimes, sh!t happens.


Yeah, and this isn't the only sh!t we're dealing with. My grandfather is ready to go to jail for my cousin because she has two strikes, my other cousin is getting married to the father of her child at 18, and my grandmother has a gambling problem. We are the normal side of the family, this stuff never happened to us before. It all comes at once.

if I may make a little joke in your time of crisis--bet your grandmother $100 she can't make your bro stop playing.
 

darianandre

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Originally posted by: Yossarian
Originally posted by: darianandre
Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: darianandre
Thanks, I guess that's what I'll do. I think I'll screw with the computer so he can't play games for a while without me and set it up so that my family can use my dad's laptop, it has a weak mobility radeon not capable of gaming at any res or speed.

Thanks for the ideas everyone, the answers seem kind of obvious but hard to see underneath all the worry.

Good luck man, and your bro and your family. Stuff can be out of hand really badly sometimes, sh!t happens.


Yeah, and this isn't the only sh!t we're dealing with. My grandfather is ready to go to jail for my cousin because she has two strikes, my other cousin is getting married to the father of her child at 18, and my grandmother has a gambling problem. We are the normal side of the family, this stuff never happened to us before. It all comes at once.

if I may make a little joke in your time of crisis--bet your grandmother $100 she can't make your bro stop playing.


:laugh: thanks
 

dugweb

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thelanx brought up a very good point. Your brother needs to be shown there is more to life than WoW. I don't think that screwing up the computer so that it doesn't work is the way to go! In fact I think that is a terrible idea. From a computer techy's perspective that is comparable to screwing up the car, or something else you hold extremely valuable. Rather than resolving the problem it will create so many more. Imagine disabling Lance Armstrong's bike, and the reaction he would have. Maybe you get the picture.


Attempt to get him away from the computer, instill a broader perspective on life. Take him camping, 4-wheeling, boating, clubbing, go on a road trip. Seriously he needs to be shown that life is an adventure in itself, and regain perspective on what's most important. As he does this, he'll begin to lose interest in WoW himself.


Depression is probably what caused him to start down this path to extreme addiction.
 

dopcombo

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If I were in that situation, I would throw him out of the house, and ask him to get some fresh air and think about what he's doing to his family. Who should he be more responsible to? If he says WoW instead of the family, then stop feeding him, giving him allowances (if he still gets any), and stop paying for anything he has to pay for.

Start collecting rent, and making him realise how much the family is taking care of him.
 
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Wait before you screw up his computer -- if you do that he will feel under attack and like you are his enemy. Then you will not be able to talk calmly with him and if he is going to do anything crazy he might..

I suggest talking to him first and telling him that he has a few days to tell his WoW friends that he has to take a break. Don't just yank him away w/o letting him tell his friends he has to go.

PS My suggestion is not based on any psych or social work certification or professionalism.
 

Rip the Jacker

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Originally posted by: darianandre
Originally posted by: Dumac
40 hours isn't really that much for a week. That could be only 6 hours a day, which isn't much to me. I use to play Everquest, so I know what he is going through. YOu do feel like you made a commitment, because those are other PEOPLE you are playing with and they are counting on you.

I assume he will most likely grow out of it...(WoW will die someday...)

He is your brother. Do you think he is serious about suicide? I doubt it, but you know best. I doubt he has any major mental disorders, but again, brother knows best!

Edit: How old is he?


17, and I think he's serious about suicide(I was before), I may be overreacting to bad news, but I doubt it. How'd you get off Everquest, did you just grow out of it? I think that might take too long.

I was addicted to Diablo II, and the only thing that got me out was that sh!tty patch 1.10.. oh and I did sell my CD-ROM Drive which had the D2 Play Disc.

 

Dumac

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Originally posted by: darianandre
Originally posted by: Dumac
40 hours isn't really that much for a week. That could be only 6 hours a day, which isn't much to me. I use to play Everquest, so I know what he is going through. YOu do feel like you made a commitment, because those are other PEOPLE you are playing with and they are counting on you.

I assume he will most likely grow out of it...(WoW will die someday...)

He is your brother. Do you think he is serious about suicide? I doubt it, but you know best. I doubt he has any major mental disorders, but again, brother knows best!

Edit: How old is he?


17, and I think he's serious about suicide(I was before), I may be overreacting to bad news, but I doubt it. How'd you get off Everquest, did you just grow out of it? I think that might take too long.

I got off by realizing, "Hey..SOE made this game suck..."

Anyway, My uncle was really addicted to EQ when he was 17. I assume it came from his insecurities caused by horrible parenting by my grandprents. However, once he got a girlfriend who could actually think and started working he lost his addiction. He now plays EQ2, but not seriously like your brother does.

P.S., I have never met anyone so deep into an MMO they begin to speak like they are living the game. That is kinda weird..
 

Powermoloch

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Originally posted by: dopcombo
If I were in that situation, I would throw him out of the house, and ask him to get some fresh air and think about what he's doing to his family. Who should he be more responsible to? If he says WoW instead of the family, then stop feeding him, giving him allowances (if he still gets any), and stop paying for anything he has to pay for.

Start collecting rent, and making him realise how much the family is taking care of him.


That's the same idea what my mom said when I was in my teeny times. She usually says "does video games feed you? love you? even provide you clothes? I think not". Lol, she is a cool mom
 

Powermoloch

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Originally posted by: Rip the Jacker
Originally posted by: darianandre
Originally posted by: Dumac
40 hours isn't really that much for a week. That could be only 6 hours a day, which isn't much to me. I use to play Everquest, so I know what he is going through. YOu do feel like you made a commitment, because those are other PEOPLE you are playing with and they are counting on you.

I assume he will most likely grow out of it...(WoW will die someday...)

He is your brother. Do you think he is serious about suicide? I doubt it, but you know best. I doubt he has any major mental disorders, but again, brother knows best!

Edit: How old is he?


17, and I think he's serious about suicide(I was before), I may be overreacting to bad news, but I doubt it. How'd you get off Everquest, did you just grow out of it? I think that might take too long.

I was addicted to Diablo II, and the only thing that got me out was that sh!tty patch 1.10.. oh and I did sell my CD-ROM Drive which had the D2 Play Disc.


Same....I was addicted to Diablo II (my mom got so pissed, she broke the CD). The thing I got myself to really quit was being enrolled to a University. My life changed alot since then...
 

uhohs

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Originally posted by: dugweb
thelanx brought up a very good point. Your brother needs to be shown there is more to life than WoW. I don't think that screwing up the computer so that it doesn't work is the way to go! In fact I think that is a terrible idea.

agreed
 
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