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ahurtt

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Originally posted by: bennylong
what's wrong with playing 40 hours a week anyway? I play 60 hours a week and I don't see the problem

You wouldn't. You're in denial.
 

ones3k

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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Originally posted by: ones3k

Whats the big deal with 40 hours per week? I used to play Everquest 40hrs/week for a period of 2 or 3 months. I also used to play WoW 50-60hrs/week over winter break in 2005 and 2006... I literally played ALL day! I also played quite a bit immediately following the release of WoW (november 23rd, 2004), i was probably doing only 30-40hrs/week then because i also had school at the time, but i played a lot based on your standards. I think you and your parents are acting like pussies, and you need to let your brother do his own thing. Let him learn on his own.


Playing a video game, any game, for 40hrs/week much less 50-60hrs/week is BAD. Playing a game for 6 hours a day is pretty bad and unproductive, and downright unhealthy for you. We, as humans, need a variety of stimulus to make us feel good/healthy. If you play that many hours of video games a day you are limiting the different types of stimulus u get. You won't be outside with friends playing sports/hanging out, u won't have any challenges from work/homework/ etc...

its just bad man...40 horus a week of games...damn.

Eh, playing games is fine. A good game is just as good as anything else IMO.

Going outside and playing sports? I love playing sports just as much as anyone, but anything over 10 hours per week playing a certain sport gets old fast. Still, even during my MMORPG addiction, i found the time to do something active (usually sports) 1 or 2 times per week. Hanging out with friends? Sorry, but all too often "hanging out" is usually = "sitting around doing nothing and talking about uninteresting things" which is quite boring IMO. I'd rather be doing something with structure such as video games or playing a sport.

To be honest with you, i wish i was addicted to WoW right now. My job doesn't start until july, so i have basically nothing useful to do with my time. Instead of playing WoW, i'm just researching cars obsessively (i need to buy a car). I'd much rather play a video game.
 

mayonnaise

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Your brother needs a bitchslap and so do your parents for letting him get to this point. If I was in your dad's place, my 17 year old emo'd out, suicide threatening son would get his ass whipped until he came to his senses. Damn dude, someone needs to put the pants on in that family and act like man. Just for reference, I've been playing MMORPG's for the past 8 years, EQ took 3-4 of those years and I was raking in WAY over 40 hours a week - the key is knowing when to handle your business and when to play. As many have pointed out, your brother lost touch with reality.
 

ones3k

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Originally posted by: darianandre
Wow, it seems like a lot of people have varying ideas on how to go about this. I definitely agree that the parents should have a little more responsibility in dealing with this and I don't think completely cutting him off is a good idea anymore. We will be going on a vacation pretty soon and I think that it would be a good idea to get him into other things. He'll be working this summer so hopefully he'll make some new friends and have something to do.

He doesn't want to play football(6'4", 250lbs), however, because he spends so much time doing homework being in AP and IB. All of his time is either spent on the computer or doing homework. He doesn't lead a normal life and he doesn't have as many friends as he used to. I'm mostly afraid that he's being molded into someone who will find this forum one day and become a lifer within a month arguing in P&N and Video and OT.

He's 17 and he's never had a girlfriend, never so much as hinted that he was attracted to anyone, and he doesn't go to homecomings or any of those things. He certainly seems depressed.

I'm going home pretty soon and I'm going to talk with my parents about some plans of action. He's going to be a senior in a few months and now is not a good time to be going on that downward spiral that is oh so familiar. He is probably the smartest person in the family and his future is on the line right now. I think my parents gave up when they were having problems with me and now they're worn out and they just don't know what to do. I'm going to have to try to show them how to be the great parents that they used to be. Wish me luck!


What a pansy...
 

ones3k

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Originally posted by: darianandre

He doesn't want to play football(6'4", 250lbs)

He's 17 and he's never had a girlfriend, never so much as hinted that he was attracted to anyone, and he doesn't go to homecomings or any of those things. He certainly seems depressed.


Some fat 17yr old hasn't scored yet? :shocked: You don't say...
 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: timosyy
btw, I play WoW, and yes, I'm in a raiding guild. 40 hours a week is definately a bit excessive if he feels "obligated" to do it.

If I wanted to make every raid night, I'd only play about 15 hours a week. Oftentimes I'll only end up playing 10 or less. It still feels like a lot, because summer just hit and I'm rather busy catching up with friends/hanging out/doing RL stuff. FWIW, my guild has had C'thun (hardest raid boss in game) on farm for a while and we're one of the top 3 guilds on one of the oldest/largest servers (Arthas), so I'm one of those "powergamers" or "hardcore" WoW players/raiders. And again, I only play ~10-15 hours a week and consider that too much. Course, back in high school I used to play this (and EQ, back in the day) for possibly more than 40 hours a week, so I know where he's coming from, heh.

He should get tired of it shortly, raiding gets pretty boring pretty quick. Obligation is just a BS excuse really... I used to feel "obligated" to raid because people were "depending" on me but now I only log in when I actually feel like it (smallish guild too, its only around 50 people max). People may miss him, or playfully tease him for missing raids or what not, but most people understand (even if they can't do it themselves) that RL > WoW, and will cut him some slack.

Tell him to take a break. Tell him the guildies will understand. And quit paying for the account



WoW must be for pansies then.... back when I played EQ, and was in a lead guild on our server, if i had played every raid it would have been more like 50-60 hours of just raiding, and then the mandatory exp grind, another 20-40 hours, so closer to 70-100 hours a week

Luckily I peaked out at around 30 hours a week + 70 hours at my 2 jobs, + who can even say how many hours at school/studying (yes I know, very little sleep)


 

systemjockey

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I'll add my two cents as well. I for one am glad that I didn't get into gaming when I was in high school. Of course back then i was playing commodore 64 games. But I have known a number of people, first in DAoC and now in WOW, who put in some pretty serious hours. It sounds like your brother is pretty bright in school. I wonder how his scholastic life is socially. Please keep in mind that high school is much tougher than it was just a few years ago. More and more, other kids are looking for reasons to marginalize each other. It can make for a very stressful experience, especially if your doing the "right" thing (concentrating on your school work, not partying, being a big kid he prolly gets asked why he doens't play sports alot.) Now imagine a place where you not only have a place where you can be with people that share your interests, but you get their respect. I'm 36 and I play WoW with my guild, most of whom are my co-workers. It's no unusual to put in 30-50 hours a week on it, but you have to keep it in perspective. Yes, you have a responsibility to your guild, and yes, they rely on you, but you can't always be there at the expense of other responsibilities. You mentioned he sates he has a responsibility to his guildmates, and it sounds like he keeps up with his responsibilties with his school work. He may need to understand that he also has a responsibility to his family, and that may include less time in-game. Now, it's probably tough to turn the pc over to his sister, epecially if she's just trolling my space or something, but he needs to understand that she deserves the time just as much as she does. Also keep in mind that recently, the press has been playing up game addict counselling like gaming is a cult and requires de-programming. He would be better served visiting with a psychologist than a game addiction counsellor. He shouldn't be afraid to speak to someone. Hell, everyone should speak to a shrink. Also, make sure your parent's keep it in perspective. I've had on friends that lost their wives, their jobs, and their homes over games. That's addition. If he's keeping his grades up, and going to school everyday, it's not addiction....yet anyway.
 
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SlitheryDee

For a few months last year I was playing guild Guild Wars for well over 40 hours a week. That's honestly the first game I've devoted that kind of time to. I did feel a commitment to my guild to show up for the PvP/GvG events that the guild leader set up (my guild was cool like that). I met a lot of people from all over the world and had lots of interesting conversations over ventrilo with people that I would have never met otherwise. Sadly, I lost interest eventually and quit logging on. The last time I logged on I found that my guild had broken up and I was the last player in it. Actually I've been thinking about taking up GW again or maybe the new chapter that recently came out...

That said, I don't see any problems with playing a game for 40 hours a week as long as it doesn't interfere with your responsibilities. Often the PvP aspects of games like these can be as highly competitive as any sport, I know guild wars was. I really would equate spending your time in a good game to playing a sport without the physical benefits, but often with enhanced mental and social aspects.
 

bennylong

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So the conclusion is, WoW is for pansies! 40 hours a week and they think it's too much. Obviously they have never played a real MMORPG.
 

Maximilian

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I was like that with diablo II, but i never thought of suicide or anything... my parents never gave me a problem and i turned out fine IMO lol.

I think itll pass.
 
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lol i love the part about responsibility to the guild

my friend pulls that sht all the time... we are gonna make him a shirt that says - Elganja - Lvl 60 Hunter - Class Leader, with a picture of his toon. and if he wont wear it, we will around him
 

Powermoloch

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Originally posted by: ones3k
Originally posted by: darianandre

He doesn't want to play football(6'4", 250lbs)

He's 17 and he's never had a girlfriend, never so much as hinted that he was attracted to anyone, and he doesn't go to homecomings or any of those things. He certainly seems depressed.


Some fat 17yr old hasn't scored yet? :shocked: You don't say...


going to be 20 yrs old, didn't have a GF yet or been laid :evil:
 

kami333

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It sounds as it isn't affecting anything that much other than the fact that there is nothing else to do, it shouldn't matter that much. I'm probably an addict that shouldn't even be allowed to touch a computer

There was one summer that I spent probably close to 100hrs a week playing Wolf:ET for about a month. My internship was over, I had just come back from being abroad for a semester, and I was living in my parent's house (my parents weren't around) and didn't know anyone in a 2000mile radius. I would wake up, start playing, make lunch and play while eating, make dinner and play while eating, go to the gym for 90min (that was pretty much the only time I went out, other than to get groceries), then come home and drink and play until I passed out. Then repeat. But didn't touch it once I got back on campus and had work to do. I got really good at it, but was pretty bored by it by the end of the summer.
 

SVT Cobra

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Originally posted by: dugweb
thelanx brought up a very good point. Your brother needs to be shown there is more to life than WoW. I don't think that screwing up the computer so that it doesn't work is the way to go! In fact I think that is a terrible idea. From a computer techy's perspective that is comparable to screwing up the car, or something else you hold extremely valuable. Rather than resolving the problem it will create so many more. Imagine disabling Lance Armstrong's bike, and the reaction he would have. Maybe you get the picture.


Attempt to get him away from the computer, instill a broader perspective on life. Take him camping, 4-wheeling, boating, clubbing, go on a road trip. Seriously he needs to be shown that life is an adventure in itself, and regain perspective on what's most important. As he does this, he'll begin to lose interest in WoW himself.


Depression is probably what caused him to start down this path to extreme addiction.

Best advice in this thread.
 

Powermoloch

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Originally posted by: kami333
It sounds as it isn't affecting anything that much other than the fact that there is nothing else to do, it shouldn't matter that much. I'm probably an addict that shouldn't even be allowed to touch a computer

There was one summer that I spent probably close to 100hrs a week playing Wolf:ET for about a month. My internship was over, I had just come back from being abroad for a semester, and I was living in my parent's house (my parents weren't around) and didn't know anyone in a 2000mile radius. I would wake up, start playing, make lunch and play while eating, make dinner and play while eating, go to the gym for 90min (that was pretty much the only time I went out, other than to get groceries), then come home and drink and play until I passed out. Then repeat. But didn't touch it once I got back on campus and had work to do. I got really good at it, but was pretty bored by it by the end of the summer.


Wolf:ET another addicting game.....It was fun until I got problems w/ punkbuster :/ . Then I quit (thanks to oblivion)
 

intogamer

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Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: kami333
It sounds as it isn't affecting anything that much other than the fact that there is nothing else to do, it shouldn't matter that much. I'm probably an addict that shouldn't even be allowed to touch a computer

There was one summer that I spent probably close to 100hrs a week playing Wolf:ET for about a month. My internship was over, I had just come back from being abroad for a semester, and I was living in my parent's house (my parents weren't around) and didn't know anyone in a 2000mile radius. I would wake up, start playing, make lunch and play while eating, make dinner and play while eating, go to the gym for 90min (that was pretty much the only time I went out, other than to get groceries), then come home and drink and play until I passed out. Then repeat. But didn't touch it once I got back on campus and had work to do. I got really good at it, but was pretty bored by it by the end of the summer.


Wolf:ET another addicting game.....It was fun until I got problems w/ punkbuster :/ . Then I quit (thanks to oblivion)

Aye I just ended up finding better things to do but still isn't good

Your brother just needs to find something better to do.
As he found WOW a better thing to do from doing his normal stuff
 

potato28

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Give him 3 days to say goodbye. Cut him off, destroy the CD and format C:. Then throw him outside and tell him to find a gf...
 

Powermoloch

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Originally posted by: intogamer
Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: kami333
It sounds as it isn't affecting anything that much other than the fact that there is nothing else to do, it shouldn't matter that much. I'm probably an addict that shouldn't even be allowed to touch a computer

There was one summer that I spent probably close to 100hrs a week playing Wolf:ET for about a month. My internship was over, I had just come back from being abroad for a semester, and I was living in my parent's house (my parents weren't around) and didn't know anyone in a 2000mile radius. I would wake up, start playing, make lunch and play while eating, make dinner and play while eating, go to the gym for 90min (that was pretty much the only time I went out, other than to get groceries), then come home and drink and play until I passed out. Then repeat. But didn't touch it once I got back on campus and had work to do. I got really good at it, but was pretty bored by it by the end of the summer.


Wolf:ET another addicting game.....It was fun until I got problems w/ punkbuster :/ . Then I quit (thanks to oblivion)

Aye I just ended up finding better things to do but still isn't good

Your brother just needs to find something better to do.
As he found WOW a better thing to do from doing his normal stuff


Yeah, I just ending up finding something else to keep me busy, good or bad
 

Job

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Without knowing any of you personally, may I add some thoughts....

40 hours per week, despite what people say, is a long time to spend playing computer games. This is a full working week for a lot of people, and 6 hours per day involved in WoW alone is certainly overkill for what is supposed to be entertainment.

You say that your brother is quite a loner and is certainly rejecting the idea of counselling very strongly. Well, TBH I don't blame him. If I may spend a few minutes explaining myself - please correct me if I'm off the mark.

1) Your brother doesn't find much acceptance at school, doesn't have many friends and is reluctant to engage in social activity. Yet in WoW he finds himself engaged in a totally self-controllable environment. While he may not be able to change his physical appearance (should he want to, of course) or make ppl like him outside the house, within WoW he is in control of every aspect of his actions. He can effectively look the way he wants to look, do what he wants to do, and interact with ppl whom he knows have a kindred spirit. He feels his responsibilities lie within this artificial world - people rely on him here and he pulls through for them when they need him, within the realms of the game. The feeling of connection or belonging which he may lack in the real world is met within WoW, more intensely than it ever could be outside. After all, he gets to be a fantasy hero/villain outside the constructs and barriers of real life.

2) He shows a quite apparent case of denial and delusion. I don't mean this in any kind of insulting way, merely that his life inside the game has effectively replaced his life in the real world and he does not see a problem with this. In fact, there is no problem with diving into a fully realised virtual world, per se, except for the severe damage it could potentially do to a person's psyche if taken too far. If I were to advise your brother (should he ever ask it) I would suggest that he examine what it is he finds purpose in within the game and try to apply this to his life. For example, he takes great pride in being relied upon for raids and performing tasks, because he believes that it is important for him to live up to the expectations and needs of others. This feeling can be transplaced into the outside world in many ways: getting a job, joining a club, etc, all kinds a banal examples - but the outcome is the same. Your brother needs someone to need him. Without this, it is unlikely that he will be distracted from WoW, where he has a multitude of ppl who rely on him for certain things.

3) I applaud you and your family for realising that your brother has gone too far. Certianly, such a time focused solely upon one aspect of your life is going to be a major influence upon your general every day actions. For those of you who have the time, perhaps 40 hours per week does not sound too long - but for a person at school or university, this is far too much. He will physically not be able to continue his studies - and doing well in school is something that your family should be placing as number 1 priority for your brother. As far as 'dealing' with him goes, may I make a couple of suggestions from my experience:

-your brother does not see his actions as 'wrong' (they are not 'wrong', merely excessive I think) - therefore it would not be effective to approach him in such a manner. Do not make him feel as though he is in trouble for misbehaving, etc - his WoW virtual life is far more interesting to him, so do not belittle his behaviour as this will effectively belittle HIM. And no-body like being belittled; you will get little, if any, effective response.

-remind him of his responsibilities. To his family, his friends, and to himself. Do not make them sound like a chore, rather allow him to see that his greatest potentials lie with those who care about him personally.

-don't impose restrictions on him. If needs be, get him his own computer and ask him to reduce the time he spends playing. Approach this as though he were doing YOU a service voluntarily, not that you were forcing him against his will.

-don't force counselling on him. I know that today's culture is very therapy-friendly, but the problems your brother faces are not easily discussed - especially for someone his age. Counselling is scary for anyone. But, take solace in the fact that, because he is so scared of it, it is likely that he himself has at least sub-consciously realised that he has a problem. Were he 100% convinced that he wasn't doing anything wrong, I doubt he would have had such an aversion.

4) Remember that your brother is fast becoming a man (I seem to remember someone saying he was 17?). As such, any decisions relating to his personal life should be made by him and him alone. This does not mean to say that you can't try to convince him. merely that you shouldn't force him.

5) He has an addiction; and, as such, your approach should be similar to that of someone suffering from any kind of addiction. They say the first step is acceptance, and they're right. Once your brother realises that he is addicted to the game, he will be in a position to change. You can't force him to feel this, merely help him. You shouldn't advocate 'cold turkey', but try to come to some kind of compromise - try to get him to reduce his gaming slowly over the summer - maybe get him a job or something - but make sure that HE is the one who makes the decision to cut down - it won't be nearly as effective if he is forced to. Any one tried to give up smoking? It only works if you WANT it to.

6) Remember he is your brother and you love him. Don't make him feel any more outcast than he might already be. Engage with him about it, try to relate it to your experiences, and remember that it will take a while.

I hope everything works out for you,


Nick
 
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SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
What if the kid does something drastic if the computer is formatted, or the CD is smashed?

That's when you bring out the straight jacket and start padding walls (for his safety of course).
 

GeekDrew

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Christ, I hate psychologists, but I am very thankful that most of you folks aren't in that business... :roll:
 
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