During the Cold War India was more socialist-leaning and in the USSR's camp, so the USA wooed Pakistan as a hedge against the possibility that India and the USSR might combine to oppose the West. Then in the '80s we strengthened our Pakistani ties as a buffer against the USSR gaining a warm water port when they invaded Afghanistan. And now we need their assistance in tracking down and fighting terrorists in Afghanistan.
Since Pakistan has zero fear that India will launch a major unprovoked attack, we need them a lot more than they need us. Therefore we put no pressure on them about much of anything. And the one time we really broke that rule - pressuring Musharriff to step down - didn't really turn out too well for us. Although I suppose it was a necessary step given that we were establishing democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan.
How about you don the flack jacket for a while?
Destruction is not constructive for peace. Maybe a genetically specific virus would be a better tactic to deal with the problem, kinda like how we used myxomatosis on rabbits.
Maybe that's already in the pipeline.
By strengthening pakistani ties, you mean creating the hydra that we now call al qaeda. Yup good going. put down another 11 billion dollars into jihadistan and you will get a nice mushroom cloud in one of your cities. They take your money and are right now scheming how to cut the heads off or kill more infidels. They have been milking your country for about 30 years now and the ISI and pak army has the US by its balls.
I do find hilarious the moral posturing by the US.
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What I really want to see happen in my country is the end of allowing Indian and Chinese students to get study visas at the detriment of the young people who are born here. Stop backdoor immigration and never set immigration numbers to cause the secularization of this fine nation. What you want is not my issue............................
During the Cold War India was more socialist-leaning and in the USSR's camp, so the USA wooed Pakistan as a hedge against the possibility that India and the USSR might combine to oppose the West. Then in the '80s we strengthened our Pakistani ties as a buffer against the USSR gaining a warm water port when they invaded Afghanistan. And now we need their assistance in tracking down and fighting terrorists in Afghanistan.
Since Pakistan has zero fear that India will launch a major unprovoked attack, we need them a lot more than they need us. Therefore we put no pressure on them about much of anything. And the one time we really broke that rule - pressuring Musharriff to step down - didn't really turn out too well for us. Although I suppose it was a necessary step given that we were establishing democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I am talking about australia' you jackass, in america you would be shot dead, here you would be just plain ole' bashed n robbed and go home crying your whiny little hole out..One of the reasons why young Americans opt out of college is because a) it's expensive b) a McJob in the service industry that doesn't even require graduating from high school sure beats the hell out of spending years in college with no guarantee of a well-paying job after that. So dumbs*its like you don't realize that countries like China and India are actually subsidizing the U.S. by spending all that money on their undergraduate education and sending them over. The other point to be made here is that those who emigrate are the ones who are extremely motivated, so they are willing to break their backs at work which is why they are in such demand.
Anyway, you can feel happy that many Indians and Chinese who would normally have made a beeline to the States after graduating are happy to stay put (and some of them who have already migrated are going back) because the opportunities in their home countries are now that much greater.
funny its all ways the loser end citing racism, I've seen how Maoris blame others for their own personal predicaments.Wow, really, no one is going to call out moonbeam on his overtly racist bigotry there?
I am talking about australia' you jackass, in america you would be shot dead, here you would be just plain ole' bashed n robbed and go home crying your whiny little hole out..
I am talking about australia' you jackass, in america you would be shot dead, here you would be just plain ole' bashed n robbed and go home crying your whiny little hole out..
Hey like the majority of your peoples ain't?Should have figured your were an Aussie. Got to give you props though you are a racist and make no bones about it.
Maybe because I'm related to Ned Packenham, brother in law to Arthur Wells the late great duke of wellington. Hell, we go thru you cunts like a bad curry on a night out on the piss.WTF are you doing in a thread discussing India, Pakistan and the U.S then? It looks like those penal colony bred genes are causing early alzheimer's.
Maybe this is more of the kinda of aussie you reallly like matey.Should have figured your were an Aussie. Got to give you props though you are a racist and make no bones about it.
As mister mercury said we will rock you!
Maybe because I'm related to Ned Packenham, brother in law to Arthur Wells the late great duke of wellington. Blah! Blah! Blah!
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WTF are you doing in a thread discussing India, Pakistan and the U.S then? It looks like those penal colony bred genes are causing early alzheimer's.
This is a superficial history lesson at best. One of the reasons why the India leaned towards the Soviet Union during the Cold War is that it fulfilled India's defense needs NO QUESTIONS ASKED. Whereas the U.S. attached all kinds of riders to whatever assistance it gave, including conditions on the PL480 funds meant to fight a famine situation in the '60ss. No self-respecting country would agree to such demands (India went on to become self-sufficient in food through the green and white revolutions), which is why the U.S. was left with flaky ones like Pakistan which takes pride in selling itself to the highest bidder just so that it can box above it's puny weight.
I just read that the CIA partially funds the ISI and actually pays for information leading to the capture or killing of a militant. The very same money is then used to fund the Taliban to fight the Americans in Afghanistan! The geniuses in the State Department and the Pentagon must be patting themselves in the back. I thought they couldn't come up with something more brilliant than gathering all the misfits and malcontents of the Islamic world, training them to fight the commies in the '80s in Afghanistan and leaving them to their own devices.
Again, I made no comment on right or wrong. India is free to make such arrangements, partnerships, and purchases as it judges are in its own best interests as far as I am concerned. And I know almost nothing of the ISI so I won't discuss that. As far as
"leaving them to their own devices", what would you have us do? We helped them defend their own country against a mutual enemy; we hardly had any mandate to direct their actions.
I must have missed the sign on the thread that said 'Members Only' because I know of no reason why the discussion has to only include people from those three countries.
Ignoring the 'it's cool to bash America' posts this is my take on the OP's issue.
Groups in Pakistan are attacking and killing American citizens. From a reporting stand point, deaths of American soldiers in Afghanistan makes a much better headline than deaths of Indians. Some may view this as a negative viewpoint but I would imagine most people would be hard pressed to find a country that values the lives of others over it's own citizens (For example - take the UNs dis-interest in doing anything worthwhile to prevent the Rawanda massacres)
Now because of the focus the deaths become a rallying cry for all sorts of political adgendas. For the controlling party to stay in favor they must be seen to 'Do Something' and therefore the issue recieves even more attention.
Attacks on Indian citizens have no such attached political strings.
I imagine some people also have the mentality 'We are trying to protect our citizens and We expect you to take care of yours (IE We won't help you protect your own citizens. They are your citizens so its your job not ours). I am by no means saying this is the correct attitude but I am sure it is there. I also don't think this is an American only attitude
Maybe this is more of the kinda of aussie you reallly like matey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9JUErBGjvg&feature=related
I seriously feel this guy Gingermegg's is out of his mind, he claims to have a PHD, but reading through his post, I didn't find anything even close in terms of intellect levels close to a PHD scholar. I have few PHD friends and there are 4-5 PHD's working within my group, and have closely watched the way they work and they arguments are build. This guys is nowhere close to that.
For all it's faults Pakistan runs an excellent extortion racket, give us money or we will kill you all and the greatest western military powers grovel and hand out more and more money.
On a serious note, kalster ignore whatever Lemon Law says, arguing with him is like banging your head against a brick wall. It is now common knowledge (acknowledged by US officials) that it was hafiz saeed was the mastermind behind last year's attacks in Mumbai but he still roams free and the Pakistani Govt for all it's promises refuses to do anything about him despite this Lemon Law still justifies Pakistan's inaction and compares the Pakistani terrorists to the Maoist problem in India.
On moonbeam's comments well the less said the better! It's amazing how these kind of racist comments are allowed in a site founded by a guy of Indian origin, you would think we were on stormfront or some other white supremacist site.