Seriously, Amazon? I mean....WTF?

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Lifer
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I wanted to return a cell phone battery and when I told the lady at the post office what it was, she said no, you can't ship it unless it's in a cell phone. wtf difference does that make?

The battery was shipped to me via USPS to begin with too.
 

Carson Dyle

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Amazon encourages this type of shopping by offering no-questions-asked returns with free return shipping. It's not surprising to find many people who reason "If it's OK with them, then there's nothing wrong with doing it."
 

SKORPI0

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I'm guessing you can't return hard drives either.
RMA'd a External 3TB Seagate HDD via UPS with no problem. Got a replacement within a week that died in 3 weeks.

Yup. That's why Buckyballs got banned. As ridiculous as it may seem.

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ALL CLAIMS MUST BE SUBMITTED BY JANUARY 17, 2015.
Cool toy if it is used/handled properly. Not for children <14 years to play with.
 
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Lean L

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Ban OP?

I don't even how to handle this shopping for speakers through amazon idea...
 

Humpy

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Amazon encourages this type of shopping by offering no-questions-asked returns with free return shipping. It's not surprising to find many people who reason "If it's OK with them, then there's nothing wrong with doing it."

They are pretty clear with their return policies, IMO. Some items have free return shipping, some don't, other stuff is not returnable.

They will also refund money to people like the OP, who can't be bothered to take a second to understand the policy, or more likely, want to scam the system. With a whiny, bitchy, ignorant customer it's not worth Amazon's time to argue much. Just take back your $2 and STFU. You'll be back, or not, doesn't matter.
 

OBLAMA2009

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OK, so I'm shopping bookshelf speakers and buy a pair of KEF Q300's from Amazon/Prime to try out. Got 'em but just didn't completely like their sound. They're actually quite good for their size and price, but I have an itching to try some Dali Zensors and Wharfedale Diamond 10.2's before committing. I've already auditioned a set of B&W 628's and found them wanting...too brittle in the upper registers for me.

Anyway, I spend a week with the KEF's and decide to return for exchange or refund. As they'd been purchased via Prime and were sold directly by Amazon, didn't think this was going to be a problem.....but I was soooooo wrong.

Go to return them and the action is refused because the speakers have "special handling and transportation requirements", whatever that means. They came in their own cardboard box via a UPS truck, nothing special with handling or transport, so I take advantage of email and ask why.

Get a response back from an Amazon CSR, to wit:

I've checked and see that the item is hazardous item.




Interesting. The speakers were just fine to have shipped into your warehouse, picked by some nameless/faceless worker, and delivered by an unsuspecting UPS driver, but when I choose to have them returned to you, suddenly they're "hazardous material".

And I wrote pretty much the same in a return email, basically venting my frustration with the above. (BTW....the "powerful magnets" that are being feared are shielded in the speaker.)

And I get this in return......




And I get a separate email stating:



Way to go, Amazon. Just when I was trying to ween myself from you, you go and do something like this. Crap! Now how am I supposed to maintain my moral indignation surrounding the speakers being mislabeled as hazardous materials and your refusal to refund. Sheesh. Talk about taking all the fun out of life!

Seriously, Meghan54? I mean....WTF? maybe u shouldnt order expensive items that you may not want just to try them out. thats what amazons bestbuy showrooms are for
 

Rvenger

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Amazon will shut your account off and no longer do business with you if you abuse their return policy. They will also ban you for life and your family members. Do a search on some SD members that went through this. Amazon has protections in place for themselves - if your account posts as a loss to them they can shut you down and go as far as you can't even contact them via phone. They have two separate customer service divisions for this.
 
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OBLAMA2009

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Amazon will shut your account off and no longer do business with you if you abuse their return policy. They will also ban you for life and your family members. Do a search on some SD members that went through this. Amazon has protections in place for themselves - if your account posts as a loss to them they can shut you down and go as far as you can't even contact them via phone. They have two separate customer service divisions for this.

man i cant believe there are people who even waste time returning stuff. having said that i hate amazon and if people are scamming them i fully support that if it hurts their business.
 

frostedflakes

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Isn't there usually a pretty prominent disclaimer on the product page or during checkout that an item does not qualify for their standard return policy? I'd swear I've seen that before. Or maybe that's NewEgg or another site I'm thinking of.

Anyway agree with others about it kind of being an abuse of the return policy and a douchey thing to do. But I guess Amazon is just as much to blame for allowing it to go on. Suppose the bean counters at Amazon got together and came to the conclusion that the money they lose in situations like this is offset by the customer loyalty and resulting increased sales it creates.
 

LTC8K6

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None of my examples were me wanting to return merchandise or trying out merchandise.

They were always items shipped in error, or in the wrong quantity.

Amazon always corrected the problem, and told me to keep the original shipment.

Order a set of 8, receive only 2. Amazon ships another set of 8, doesn't want the first 2 back.
 

OBLAMA2009

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because overall they are a sleazy operation. have you ever ordered things from a third party there. a significant percentage of the time you order and they dont send anything out. and the majority of "sellers" there are drop shipping by spidering, so you order a "new" book and you get something used with markings. also amazon lowers prices for authors and publishers, and yet takes a very high percentage themselves. finally amazon is known to be a very abusive employer

ive never returned anything to amazon, so my hatred of them doesnt have anything to do with whatever return policy they have
 

VirtualLarry

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Seems kinda lowlife to buy something just to try, it seems as though the decision to return was made even before you purchased the speakers. I'm wondering why didn't you try the KEF, the Dali Zensors and the Wharfedale Diamonds at a brick and mortar before "committing". Anyways, good day to you

What B&M? Amazon.com is driving them all out of business. So, really, Amazon is just bringing this kind of situation upon themselves, if you think about it.
 

Carson Dyle

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What B&M? Amazon.com is driving them all out of business. So, really, Amazon is just bringing this kind of situation upon themselves, if you think about it.

Amazon doesn't really mind _that_ bit of low-life-ism. That's not who gets screwed when you walk into The Kitchen Store, scope out the food processors, talk with a salesperson, then go home and order it online.

Several different topics being discussed in this thread.
 

Carson Dyle

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I don't even how to handle this shopping for speakers through amazon idea...

How about shopping for shoes?

Note that Amazon makes a point of stating that you can return something that doesn't fit, to encourage shoppers to buy things like shoes and clothing online. Do you think that nobody uses this liberal return policy to return things they don't quite like?
 
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Buying on Amazon for the sheer purpose of just 'trying' the product just goes to show how far some will go in being lazy and abusive. Sorry, I cannot support anyone buying for the intention of just trying instead of them going into an AV store. Once you have 'tried them' they are now used, which means the next person might end up paying for new, but getting your used underwear.

One heck of a social responsibility here.
 

CPA

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How about shopping for shoes?

Note that Amazon makes a point of stating that you can return something that doesn't fit, to encourage shoppers to buy things like shoes and clothing online. Do you think that nobody uses this liberal return policy to return things they don't quite like?

Exactly. What posters fail to realize as that there will be a certain percentage of customers that won't return the item even if it doesn't fit or they don't like it. Amazon knows this.
 

CPA

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Buying on Amazon for the sheer purpose of just 'trying' the product just goes to show how far some will go in being lazy and abusive. Sorry, I cannot support anyone buying for the intention of just trying instead of them going into an AV store. Once you have 'tried them' they are now used, which means the next person might end up paying for new, but getting your used underwear.

One heck of a social responsibility here.

Social responsible shopping now? Are you f'in kidding me? I don't have any social responsibility to you or anyone else in the way I use my money and time.

So, when I buy a tv, I should base my final decision on how that TV projects at a big box store, that has much different lighting and dimensions than my own house?

Lastly, most states have consumer protection laws for selling used items as new and most legitimate companies abide by these laws.
 

Carson Dyle

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Exactly. What posters fail to realize as that there will be a certain percentage of customers that won't return the item even if it doesn't fit or they don't like it. Amazon knows this.

That wasn't exactly my point. Amazon _encourages_ people to not be afraid to order things that they may need to return. Mostly in the areas of shoes and clothing, where something may not fit. It's the only way they can hope to compete with B&M stores selling such items.

It shouldn't be the least bit surprising to anyone that some shoppers take Amazon's liberal return policy to mean that they should be able to buy-to-try _anything_. And again, there's a certain percentage of the population that figures: If doing something isn't illegal, and the seller lets you do it, then there must be nothing wrong with doing it.

The only thing that threw a monkey wrench into this buyer's plans was Amazon's treatment of speakers as hazardous. I'm sure there are people trying out toasters and lawnmowers and volleyballs and hats in exactly the same manner.
 

Humpy

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What B&M? Amazon.com is driving them all out of business. So, really, Amazon is just bringing this kind of situation upon themselves, if you think about it.

Currently ~ 7% of retail sales are made online and a good portion of that is online sales from B&M stores. That number is expected to continue to increase. The rise of the big box store along with a glut of smaller retail stores, with other trends, is a major contributor to the decrease of traditional malls, strip malls, etc. Add in a perceived decrease in customer service and you have a better picture of the change going on in retail shopping/selling. Amazon is the most visible but can hardly be singled out.
 
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