Server hardware is a ripoff

moonbogg

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So I'm buying a server for my job and I was going to get a real server, with real server hardware, with a real server OS, and real server ram, and a real server pair of SSD, and then I saw the price and it gave me a real severe headache.
I'm buying a god damn gaming PC and using that. Screw this expensive crap.
 

z1ggy

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Wow you made a fast recovery from that momentary stroke you just had in P&N.
 

nsafreak

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Sounds like a brilliant plan to me. You would never need IPMI to remotely access server hardware if the OS fails to load. Nor do you need to get one with redundant PSUs in case one fails. And you couldn't possibly need the 24/7 on site support for a year or more that comes with most server purchases.

Please let me know the name of your company so that I can make sure to avoid it.
 

holden j caufield

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I think a huge part of that is the support included. I think the HP we had at my last job they promised if something went wrong someone would deliver the part within a 1-2 hours. Also the support is almost always in the US for enterprise stuff. Try calling Asus or HP consumer support and I can guarantee you most on the board know more. The guys in server/enterprise support actually know their stuff.

Sure enough a hard drive died and someone did deliver it in an hour. Personally I would keep spare HD/ram in the server room, now even if a have blade goes down HA will save you but what if the whole blade chassis goes down. Can't just pick that up anywhere.

If you are properly prepared with multiple HA options I think supermicro has some really cheap quality stuff that lacks the ibm/hp/dell support.
 

Newell Steamer

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I saw the words "Server" and "ripoff" and was expecting a tip thread,...


Your side of Troll Bait is on it's way out hon.
 

Rakehellion

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Sounds like a brilliant plan to me. You would never need IPMI to remotely access server hardware if the OS fails to load. Nor do you need to get one with redundant PSUs in case one fails. And you couldn't possibly need the 24/7 on site support for a year or more that comes with most server purchases.

Please let me know the name of your company so that I can make sure to avoid it.

Budget Technology/Chicken & Waffles Co. If your server crashes, get a month free!
 

lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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A small office can do just fine on a gaming pc, or some old piece of shit in the closet. For anything above the complexity of a handful of users, and I'd want a real server.
 

DaveSimmons

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Why a gaming PC? Does your accounts receivable need to run in 3D with dynamic shadows and realistic water effects?

Sure, Word looks better with 2 GB textures at 120 fps, but buying a GTX 980 just for a more realistic Clippy seems excessive.
 

Gunbuster

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We'll see how great that gaming PC is when you need a redundant powersupply or lights out remote admin.

Also if you are going by the online price... you can get better by calling a human.
 

Childs

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Why a gaming PC? Does your accounts receivable need to run in 3D with dynamic shadows and realistic water effects?

Sure, Word looks better with 2 GB textures at 120 fps, but buying a GTX 980 just for a more realistic Clippy seems excessive.

It won't work as well if there is no side window so you can see LEDs. Has something to do with physics.
 

moonbogg

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A small office can do just fine on a gaming pc, or some old piece of shit in the closet. For anything above the complexity of a handful of users, and I'd want a real server.

Exactly. We are a small group and all we need is a simple file server. Very basic, very low network traffic. We have an online backup service as well incase it tanks. Right now, they have an old POS Pentium 4 machine that was someone's unwanted office PC and its been working fine. They are just upgrading for the hell of it.
 

Rakehellion

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Why a gaming PC? Does your accounts receivable need to run in 3D with dynamic shadows and realistic water effects?

Sure, Word looks better with 2 GB textures at 120 fps, but buying a GTX 980 just for a more realistic Clippy seems excessive.

You need a GTX 980 just to run the latest version of Flash.
 

ultimatebob

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Jul 1, 2001
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I guess that your team's time isn't worth all that much, since it's going to take a while when that gaming PC eventually crashes and you need to restore all of it's data from backup.

That's assuming that it even took a valid backup. If you're not checking your backups periodically, then you're not really taking a backup.

You can get a dirt cheap server from Dell for like $400, but you're getting what you paid for. No RAID, no redundant power supplies, no redundant network connections, and no phone support or fast parts replacement when things break.
 

PliotronX

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Sounds like a brilliant plan to me. You would never need IPMI to remotely access server hardware if the OS fails to load. Nor do you need to get one with redundant PSUs in case one fails. And you couldn't possibly need the 24/7 on site support for a year or more that comes with most server purchases.

Please let me know the name of your company so that I can make sure to avoid it.
IPMI is pretty slick but redundant PSU's haven't worked out so hot from what I am seeing. Granted most business owners hold onto their hardware for longer than they should but of note here a T410 had a PSU that crapped out (understandable) and the iDRAC complained at every boot about not having enough juice with the remaining PSU. It had even shut off because it was using too much wattage. What good is the redundancy there? Even after swapping the PSU out, the system shut off again and then refused to boot until I unplugged both PSU's and waited half a minute like a goddamn wireless router (during business hours no less). Redundancy usefulness factor 0. Another business saw flooding water coming down a hallway that might have become deep enough to hit the server at some point, panicked and ripped the power cords out and possibly fried the motherboard but the distributor board made it difficult to diagnose. This company thankfully chose to throw down for a new server. Then the fancy schmancy Dell VRTX CMC's that cost more than cars all had dead blade units within two or three months of deployment (five total between different sites) and still eat hard drives here and there. What happened to sticking with simple? I'll bet my scratch RAID-0 desktop for fun that is overclocked to crap outlasts these servers. The exuberance is ridiculous.
 

rudeguy

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Dec 27, 2001
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I will investigate the overpriced NAS boxes.

Do you have a budget?

Any additional info you can provide? Needs? Wants?


I'm sure a couple of the 356,214 members would be able to steer you in the right direction.
 
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