Sessions met with Russian envoy twice last year, encounters he later did not disclose

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Yeah, but what about the meeting at the RNC? Are you saying he went to the RNC as his capacity as Senator and was doing US business at the RNC? False equivalency is as dangerous and maybe moreso dangerous than those who choose to defend the actions.

Here's the problem, this man is a known recruiter of spy's as in he approaches people with knowledge and tries to recruit them to become Russian informants. Does the prospect of a guy like that attending a National convention concern you?
 

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Again, for the life of me I can't think of a valid reason for him to lie to Congress under oath. He still hasn't been able to think of one himself. It's perfectly reasonable to think he should resign for that reason alone, as many AG's in the past have done.

Resignation would be good and I'd like to see it, but If not? Removal because he talked to a Russian? You can't see a reason, but can see possibilities which need to be eliminated. Again this isn't a defense of Sessions else I would have opposed investigation. I need more and I think most people do too.
 

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Resignation would be good and I'd like to see it, but If not? Removal because he talked to a Russian? You can't see a reason, but can see possibilities which need to be eliminated. Again this isn't a defense of Sessions else I would have opposed investigation. I need more and I think most people do too.

Alberto Gonzales was basically forced to resign for lying to Congress about a much less consequential matter than meetings with a hostile foreign power that was working to influence our election.

As for impeachment, it wouldn't be for taking to a Russian, it would be for lying to Congress under oath about an issue of national security.
 

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His get out of jail free card is that he claims his answer pertained to discussions of the election.
 

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Here's the problem, this man is a known recruiter of spy's as in he approaches people with knowledge and tries to recruit them to become Russian informants. Does the prospect of a guy like that attending a National convention concern you?

The problem is that he is an Ambassador still. But, I don't know how those things work. But it is peculiar he was there and that Sessions gave him a private audience there(as a representative of the Trump campaign which paid for Sessions travel there) vs. his office in the Senate given what was going on at the time.

It's curious that Sessions doesn't seem to ever talk about that meeting at the RNC in his explanation of his Senate statement.
 

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I understand the difficulty of removing your head from your butt, however you really need to.

Imagine, Jeff Sessions, US Senator on many committees couldn't speak as a government representative. Absolutely amazing. He sure as hell could represent official business. Not Trumps, and that's important to discover but seriously? Nonsense.

Find where Sessions could not deal with Russians in his official capacity as Senator.

I'm sure you'll try to bullshit your way out of that one. BUT BUT TRUMP?
No wonder you lost the election.

Sessions attempted to usurp the power of the CinC to conduct foreign affairs?

It doesn't matter anyway. The conversations don't matter. Lying to Congress matters.
 

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I understand the difficulty of removing your head from your butt, however you really need to.

Imagine, Jeff Sessions, US Senator on many committees couldn't speak as a government representative. Absolutely amazing. He sure as hell could represent official business. Not Trumps, and that's important to discover but seriously? Nonsense.

Find where Sessions could not deal with Russians in his official capacity as Senator.

I'm sure you'll try to bullshit your way out of that one. BUT BUT TRUMP?
No wonder you lost the election.

Sessions could absolutely speak as a government representative. What he can't do is lie to Congress under oath about it.
 

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Alberto Gonzales was basically forced to resign for lying to Congress about a much less consequential matter than meetings with a hostile foreign power that was working to influence our election.

As for impeachment, it wouldn't be for taking to a Russian, it would be for lying to Congress under oath about an issue of national security.


Then let's do it.
 

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I understand the difficulty of removing your head from your butt, however you really need to.

Imagine, Jeff Sessions, US Senator on many committees couldn't speak as a government representative. Absolutely amazing. He sure as hell could represent official business. Not Trumps, and that's important to discover but seriously? Nonsense.

Find where Sessions could not deal with Russians in his official capacity as Senator.


I'm sure you'll try to bullshit your way out of that one. BUT BUT TRUMP?
No wonder you lost the election.

Speaking of anal cranial inversions, perhaps that noted Communist rag The Wall Street Journal's newest FACTUAL revelation will help clarify this issue for you. Take your own advice, and pop on out of your own pooper . . . or . . . as you, yourself, put it, "try to bullshit your way out of that one."

Jeff Sessions Used Political Funds for Republican Convention Expenses
Records show attorney general used campaign account for travel expenses to Cleveland, where he met Russian envoy
 
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From the reports and statements of fellow senators and former ambassadors, it sounds like no one else was having these conversations with the Russian amb, and it's highly unusual for someone in Sessions position to do so, even ignoring the context in which this was done.

Taken in full context, these conversations demonstrate extremely poor judgement and only begs questions to what it is going on.

In even broader view, there is not a good answer to why there are so many people in different parts of the admin so engaged with Russian officials and intelligence agents. Even worse, why the continuous pattern of lies and cover-up?

We are just getting into this story. What are Trump's business dealings with Russia?
 

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Sessions attempted to usurp the power of the CinC to conduct foreign affairs?

It doesn't matter anyway. The conversations don't matter. Lying to Congress matters.

Then have an investigation. Don't make up nonsense like Sessions isn't part of the government or that a US Senator "usurps" anything by discussing issues with foreign dignitaries. What he or she says can be a matter of state and it is completely proper conduct. Where the heck could that possibly come from?

But it doesn't matter anyway. People with a better understanding of the process will be handling it who understand how government functions, not how they would imagine it might be in some other time and place
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Speaking of anal cranial inversions, perhaps that noted Communist rag The Wall Street Journal's newest FACTUAL revelation will help clarify this issue for you. Take your own advice, and pop on out of your own pooper . . . or . . . as you, yourself, put it, "try to bullshit your way out of that one."

Jeff Sessions Used Political Funds for Republican Convention Expenses
Records show attorney general used campaign account for travel expenses to Cleveland, where he met Russian envoy


Then call him on it and investigate. Oops, no bullshitting a way out, but then it never was.

I dare you, challenge you to find where I ever said that Sessions was a victim of the "Fake press" or some such. Find where I said I know he's innocent and this is a "Benghazi"

So "anal cranial inversions", "Communist rag"- This is your constructed fantasy and makes you look, well like a nutter. Again without multiple sized and color fonts, I think concerns have been raised which require a special investigator to look in detail at all the facts and act as they warrant, which I expect to be removal. Unlike you I think this is nation which all people be they left or right are owed due process and more than that we as a public need it.

Now go back over the last 17 or so years of my posts and find where I've been a Sessions subbie.
Gauntlet tossed.
 

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Get the Republicans on board and I'm with you. At this point he is so tainted he should resign anyway, but we will have to wait and see on that.

I'd rather he'd ah heck off, but I don't trust Republicans to not circle the wagon. I'd far prefer an independent council properly vetted. Get the politics as far away as possible and address the legal issues, then out with the trash if that's what factually determined.
 

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I'd rather he'd ah heck off, but I don't trust Republicans to not circle the wagon. I'd far prefer an independent council properly vetted. Get the politics as far away as possible and address the legal issues, then out with the trash if that's what factually determined.

That's fine by me as well, but again considering he hasn't even offered a plausible explanation that would merit him staying on the main purpose of that investigation to me would seem to be if he should be indicted of if there are any more dominos to fall.

I'm all for an independent investigation, I'm just saying the facts that already exist which are not in dispute by any party merit his resignation.
 

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That's fine by me as well, but again considering he hasn't even offered a plausible explanation that would merit him staying on the main purpose of that investigation to me would seem to be if he should be indicted of if there are any more dominos to fall.

I'm all for an independent investigation, I'm just saying the facts that already exist which are not in dispute by any party merit his resignation.


He should resign. Maybe he will, hopefully. If not then onto the next level so I believe we are in agreement on this.
 
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Good thing for her that Twitter isn't under oath like say a confirmation hearing.
And the bad thing for her is that she now has effectively no chance of being reelected in 2018. She's done and it'll be just one more seat in the Senate for Republicans. Keep it up....and we'll see where the lies, smear campaigns, witch hunts and constant barrage of partisan bullshit ends up ultimately doing to your party.
 
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And the bad thing for her is that she now has effectively no chance of being reelected in 2018. She's done and it'll be just one more seat in the Senate for Republicans. Keep it up....and we'll see where the lies, smear campaigns, witch hunts and constant barrage of partisan bullshit ends up ultimately doing for your party.

If you think the election of 2018 is going to turn on a tweet from March 2017 you're even more deluded than I thought. Whatever the result then it's going to have very little to do with this.

This is just you lashing out because you're angry about this news and want to indulge yourself in wishful thinking.
 
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And the bad thing for her is that she now has effectively no chance of being reelected in 2018. She's done and it'll be just one more seat in the Senate for Republicans. Keep it up....and we'll see where the lies, smear campaigns, witch hunts and constant barrage of partisan bullshit ends up ultimately doing to your party.

Do you ever have anything intelligent to contribute to any discussion?
 
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