Sessions met with Russian envoy twice last year, encounters he later did not disclose

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Meghan54

Lifer
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I don't think you understand what clandestine means. Seems to me the meeting was not exactly secret from the public. Now, if you want to talk about the substance of the meeting, go ahead, but the meeting itself wasn't secret, covert, or done with the intent of having no one know it happened...which sorta what clandestine means.


And the Attorney General having a clandestine meeting on an airport tarmac with the husband of someone under federal investigation (at a crucial time within that investigation) is no problemo, right?
 

boomerang

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Agreed, but it's only a step in the right direction. The trouble is that prosecutorial discretion then falls to various deputy AG's instead of Sessions. Those people are still in the chain of command that has the Whitehouse on top. While that's better than Sessions being directly involved, what we really need is a special prosecutor such that no prosecutorial discretion is vested in Trump's DoJ at all. Only then will the investigation be truly independent.
What person would fit that bill in the extremely polarized political climate we find ourselves in? We had a member this morning that wanted to hack to death another members wife and family in response to Trump making a speech that was widely praised. That's going on at the lowest of levels. Who in this nation is impartial in this day and age?
 
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Aaaaand Trumps statement is out. Again. Same tired taking point. Election lost. Dems bitter. Blah blah blah.

Oh and the real story is that you know all this shit happened that they tried to keep from you.
 
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What person would fit that bill in the extremely polarized political climate we find ourselves in? We had a member this morning that wanted to hack to death another members wife and family in response to Trump making a speech that was widely praised. That's going on at the lowest of levels. Who in this nation is impartial in this day and age?

Because they are internet tough guys its real easy to be a tough guy when there are zero consequences.
Reminds me of last week when we had a conservative member brag about wanting to book a vacation while he watched a kid without healthcare die.
I don't believe any competed, rational person could do either but its very easy to act tough on the internet.
Now go off and suck a dick boomer you pussy.

/sarcasm
 

Jhhnn

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It doesn't matter what question was asked. When Sessions volunteered this, it was a lie-

I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians.

Well, unless you believe that he couldn't remember what happened in September in February. Funny how he seems to remember now-

.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ling-press-conference/?utm_term=.8a1b741cb9e6

Imagine the Reaction from a Repub Senate had any Obama nominee done anything remotely similar.

GTFO, Jeff. Go get a nice cushy job at some right wing think tank or another & we'll let the perjury charge slide.
 
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ivwshane

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Because they are internet tough guys its real easy to be a tough guy when there are zero consequences.
Reminds me of last week when we had a conservative member brag about wanting to book a vacation while he watched a kid without healthcare die.
I don't believe any competed, rational person could do either but its very easy to act tough on the internet.
Now go off and suck a dick boomer you pussy.

/sarcasm

God damn! And here I thought elite status werepossum's comment about killing Americans for supporting an investigation that might change the outcome of the election was bad!
 

kage69

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Please hire Sally Yates as special prosecutor for the extra lulz

That really would be the awesomest of sauce, but I get the impression Yates, like a lot of Federal employees, is cool taking a sabbatical for the next 2-4 years. Damn it would be glorious though.

I'd also be down for seeing Liz Warren do her 'shred the crook/moron' routine on Sessions at some kind of inquiry. I'm sure she'd be all smiles for Sessions and that turtle from Kentucky.
 

agent00f

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What person would fit that bill in the extremely polarized political climate we find ourselves in? We had a member this morning that wanted to hack to death another members wife and family in response to Trump making a speech that was widely praised. That's going on at the lowest of levels. Who in this nation is impartial in this day and age?

Just fyi, pointless blustering is not a topic advantageous for conservatives to bring up.
 

Jhhnn

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What person would fit that bill in the extremely polarized political climate we find ourselves in? We had a member this morning that wanted to hack to death another members wife and family in response to Trump making a speech that was widely praised. That's going on at the lowest of levels. Who in this nation is impartial in this day and age?

I'd take Patrick Fitzgerald, right after Sessions is out on his ass.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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What a load of apologistic false equivalency bullshit. Sessions had every right to speak to the Russian ambassador in September. He did not have the right to speak for the American govt because Trump had yet to win the election, let alone be inaugurated.

That's entirely different from back channel diplomacy undertaken at the orders of the President.

The real issue is that Sessions lied under oath to the Senate. He actually volunteered the lie as a diversion. Given his recorded testimony & now the admission that such conversations took place he ratted himself out.

GTFO, Jeff! You blew it, big time.

I understand the difficulty of removing your head from your butt, however you really need to.

Imagine, Jeff Sessions, US Senator on many committees couldn't speak as a government representative. Absolutely amazing. He sure as hell could represent official business. Not Trumps, and that's important to discover but seriously? Nonsense.

Find where Sessions could not deal with Russians in his official capacity as Senator.

I'm sure you'll try to bullshit your way out of that one. BUT BUT TRUMP?
No wonder you lost the election.
 
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agent00f

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This retard conservative hero?: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-was-recorded-gop-intelligence-chairman-says/



I understand the difficulty of removing your head from your butt, however you really need to.

Imagine, Jeff Sessions, US Senator on many committees couldn't speak as a government representative. Absolutely amazing. He sure as hell could represent official business. Not Trumps, and that's important to discover but seriously? Nonsense.

Find where Sessions could not deal with Russians in his official capacity as Senator.

I'm sure you'll try to bullshit your way out of that one. BUT BUT TRUMP?
No wonder you lost the election.

How does it feel to carry water for people like that?
 

Grooveriding

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I don't remember a more corrupt scandal ridden disaster of a White House. I remember Oliver North and Iran Contra, that was pretty bad, they somehow managed to weasel out of that. Trump is a few months in and it's already a complete trainwreck. His appointees getting caught lying, resignations, a campaign aided by the Russians, more lies than truth, the white house advisors and staff are out of their depth and then the juvenile tweeting from the turd in chief himself.

What a shitshow. Someone is strategically leaking and chipping away at them piece by piece. If this ends with the peepee tape it will be the best reality TV ever!
 

trenchfoot

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Hang in there Repubs, brighter days are ahead. Trump will get impeached, removed from office and Pence will take over.

But hey now, if Pence and the downleg of his own support group benefits by having Trump removed from office, then shouldn't he and his cabal be the #1 suspects for the leaks and negative circumstances that is destroying the Trump admin. at this very moment?

The Dems have no skin in this game seeing as if the Repubs will still be in control of the White House should Trump resign, right?

Look from within for what ails your president's tenure. It seems he hasn't kept Pence close enough.

Et tu, Pence?
 
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woolfe9998

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Numerous additional contacts between the Trump campaign and the Russian ambassador have been disclosed by the Whitehouse today:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/politics/russia-donald-trump-meetings-ambassador/index.html

Jared Kushner (December)
Foreign policy advisor J.D Gordon
Carter Page
Walid Pares

These last three at the RNC in July. I don't understand what the Russian ambassador was doing at the GOP convention, but hey, it's a free country!

This time the Whitehouse is getting out in front of it after the Sessions debacle.

Any one of these meetings could have an innocent explanation. The problem I'm having is the sheer number of these contacts and connections.
 

woolfe9998

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I understand the difficulty of removing your head from your butt, however you really need to.
Imagine, Jeff Sessions, US Senator on many committees couldn't speak as a government representative. Absolutely amazing. He sure as hell could represent official business. Not Trumps, and that's important to discover but seriously? Nonsense.
Find where Sessions could not deal with Russians in his official capacity as Senator.
I'm sure you'll try to bullshit your way out of that one. BUT BUT TRUMP?
No wonder you lost the election.

Like I said above, sure, any given contact or connection could have an innocent explanation. So when does the sheer number of them begin to concern you?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Like I said above, sure, any given contact or connection could have an innocent explanation. So when does the sheer number of them begin to concern you?

It concened me before we began this conversation. I want an independent investigation and have said that many times.
 

emperus

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I understand the difficulty of removing your head from your butt, however you really need to.

Imagine, Jeff Sessions, US Senator on many committees couldn't speak as a government representative. Absolutely amazing. He sure as hell could represent official business. Not Trumps, and that's important to discover but seriously? Nonsense.

Find where Sessions could not deal with Russians in his official capacity as Senator.

I'm sure you'll try to bullshit your way out of that one. BUT BUT TRUMP?
No wonder you lost the election.

Yeah, but what about the meeting at the RNC? Are you saying he went to the RNC as his capacity as Senator and was doing US business at the RNC? False equivalency is as dangerous and maybe moreso dangerous than those who choose to defend the actions.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Yeah, but what about the meeting at the RNC? Are you saying he went to the RNC as his capacity as Senator and was doing US business at the RNC? False equivalency is as dangerous and maybe moreso dangerous than those who choose to defend the actions.

I have strong suspicions that wrongdoing may have occurred, but again this is about an application of due process as much as Sessions himself. I remember special investigations from before Clinton and they are serious business and I would not suggest repeating the process if I were not serious.

But there is what I think, what I think I know and what I know. Removal of Sessions or someone on his level is also serious business and consequently we don't need to "feel", we need to know. This isn't because I like Session, I don't really care for him at all, but the form does matter in dealing with him or anyone else.

Lawful and proper process? Yes, THEN decide how to handle it and if the violation warrants, adios.
 

fskimospy

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I have strong suspicions that wrongdoing may have occurred, but again this is about an application of due process as much as Sessions himself. I remember special investigations from before Clinton and they are serious business and I would not suggest repeating the process if I were not serious.

But there is what I think, what I think I know and what I know. Removal of Sessions or someone on his level is also serious business and consequently we don't need to "feel", we need to know. This isn't because I like Session, I don't really care for him at all, but the form does matter in dealing with him or anyone else.

Lawful and proper process? Yes, THEN decide how to handle it and if the violation warrants, adios.

Again, for the life of me I can't think of a valid reason for him to lie to Congress under oath. He still hasn't been able to think of one himself. It's perfectly reasonable to think he should resign for that reason alone, as many AG's in the past have done.
 
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