SETI: "A TeAm AnandTech - Seti" Huddle

[zodder]

But, best of all, lets beat BBR!!!!! GO TeAm!!!!!

Because of this, I'm going S@H until the bitter end, too. No way I'm going to let those folks pass us by!

 

[deerslayer]

I'd say that the people with large fleets are most likely going to want to stay with S@H1. I myself will probably switch over to BOINC because I only have 3 or 4 computers that I will have to change, so it won't be so bad for me.

I like the new members --> BOINC idea though.

 

[networkman]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Freewolf
I'm not ready to give sixth place to BBR myself and If they don't have a seti q program a lot of people will not be running boinc

Roger that!

 

[TenaciousT]

Originally posted by: RaySun2Be
I say let's crunch SETI1 until the bitter end.

Ditto.

Until they come out with a SetiQueue and a SetiHide style client I am sticking with Seti1.

I suppose I'll turn 1 machine over to Boinc though...

 

[Assimilator1]

Originally posted by: titanmiller

Originally posted by: Coolkid

Originally posted by: RaySun2Be
I say let's crunch SETI1 until the bitter end.

Sounds good

Yep ,I'll third that!

If we are to have any chance of staying ahead of BBR we need the vast majority of TA SETI to stick to S@H1 'till the bitter end'
So far its looking like thats is whats going to happen.
Though it is very useful that some will switch earlier so the rest of us can get help latter on!

Btw folks ,don't yet assume there will be no proxy support ,it hasn't been set in stone yet.

I wonder if we can get Ken renis to post here about SETIQ & BOINC?
(I've emailed him with a link to this thread)

Thanks for the heads up Smokeball

 

[Green Man]

Unless BOINC allows me to set up a caching server on my workstation, I'll have to stay with sah1. The lab computers that I have recruited are tightly TCP/IP filtered, and I'm not to sure that the powers that be will allow an exception. My pitch, so far, has been that there's minimal impact or downside. I'd hate to have to suggest opening a port from the lab to the great beyond.

 

[IsOs]

At the moment, I need more information before considering changing my fleet to BONIC.

Does the BONIC program proviides caching of workunits and support dual cpu?

Is there a program that offers local stats compilation and monitoring of my fleet? Something like SETIQ, where individual machines with my own ID reporting to this monitoring program and kkeping track of their individual performance.

I'm in the project more for the stats than its scientific value. So if BONIC will be unable to provide similar tools for making the project fun to play, I might as well consider a different project.


I can't see the poll, so at the moment my vote can't be cast.

I'm using my new Centrino laptop. Workunits are averaging under 2 hours with 1.4GHz crunching power. I have another 1.5GHz retail Pentium M cpu that waiting for a case/motherboard. I haven't made up my mind if I want another laptop case or one of those mini motherboard that can take a Pentiumh M.

So if any BONIC programmer reading this thread, make note of what will be lost if no support programs like SETIQ and SETI Driver become available for this project.

It will take some practice typing with this laptop. I keep hitting the scroll pad with my thumb so the cursor keeps moving someplace else.

 

[Robor]

keep digging for the finish line of S@H-1

 

[Wiz]

When I started Seti@home in May of 1999 I planned on seeing it through to the end.
With the end close at hand I don't know what I'll be doing afterwards, but I know I wont be switching now when my TeAm needs every WU it can get to stay ahead of BBR

 

[Assimilator1]

Isos
BOINC does support dual cpus

 

[Spacehead]

Originally posted by: IsOs
At the moment, I need more information before considering changing my fleet to BONIC.
Does the BONIC program proviides caching of workunits and support dual cpu?
I can't see the poll, so at the moment my vote can't be cast.

BOINC is supposed to handle "WU" caching for any project that uses the BOINC platform. Not sure about the dual CPU support.
Smokeball did away with the poll.

 

[OhioDude]

I started with Seti-I the day before the official start of the project. (May 16, 1999)

I plan on staying with Seti-I until they tell me to stop.

 

[Spacehead]

Looks like we should keep up-to-date with the transition page.

What will happen with programs like SETIQueue?
These programs (which have been very useful with SETI@home Classic) won't work with SETI@home/BOINC. The function of buffering multiple work units is provided by the BOINC client itself - you can specify how much work your computer should get each time it contacts the server.

Another function of SETIQueue - acting as a proxy for hosts that are not directly connected to the Internet - can be performed in BOINC by an HTTP 1.0 proxy such as Squid for Unix or FreeProxy for Windows.

 

[Ken g6]

Has anyone benchmarked the BOINC client to see if it's faster, or slower?

From the transition page:

Can I run multiple instances on a multiprocessor

Yes, but it's not necessary; BOINC automatically uses all the processors (unless you ask it not to).

 

[Wiz]

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What will happen with programs like SETIQueue?
These programs (which have been very useful with SETI@home Classic) won't work with SETI@home/BOINC. The function of buffering multiple work units is provided by the BOINC client itself - you can specify how much work your computer should get each time it contacts the server.

Another function of SETIQueue - acting as a proxy for hosts that are not directly connected to the Internet - can be performed in BOINC by an HTTP 1.0 proxy such as Squid for Unix or FreeProxy for Windows.

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IMHO whoever keeps writing these idiotic updates really ought to use SetiQ for a while or at least talk in depth to users to find out why they really use them. It seems they keep missing the point by miles.

It's not just having a proxy for machines to connect to S@H - it's have a central control point for your network with good stats that you can see from inside or outside your network. It's having the ability to provide work to your network even when you can't get to the S@H servers. It's about being able to provide a service to TeAm mates, all connecting to a Q and seeing stats through a shared resource.

It's so much more than just "acting as a proxy for hosts that are not directly connected to the Internet"!!!!!!!!!!

Most people can set up some kind of proxy, Windows has come with ICS since Win 98 SE and I've used that for years along with Seti Driver to get the functionality they are talking about with Boinc.

If that were all I wanted I would not be running SetiQ.

With SetiQ I can see at a glance the performance of all my machines, I also have a pool of work units to draw from.

I still run Seti Driver so all machines have their own cache of WU's and then they feed from my SetiQ which has a cache for all boxes in my network. Double caching like this keeps all my machines fed with WU's for two weeks if I can't get online for some reason or Berkley goes offline.

We all have our own reasons for using a Q. It really doesn't seem that the folks at Berkley "get it".

 

[Polo]

Originally posted by: Spacehead
Looks like we should keep up-to-date with the transition page.

What will happen with programs like SETIQueue?
These programs (which have been very useful with SETI@home Classic) won't work with SETI@home/BOINC. The function of buffering multiple work units is provided by the BOINC client itself - you can specify how much work your computer should get each time it contacts the server.

Another function of SETIQueue - acting as a proxy for hosts that are not directly connected to the Internet - can be performed in BOINC by an HTTP 1.0 proxy such as Squid for Unix or FreeProxy for Windows.

What I need for my work fleet is not an internet proxy like squid but a WU server like SETIQueue. I have NO internet access and I NEED to fetch/flush WUs manually. You can do this with SETIQueue or JSETIDoor but not with BOINC. Sneakerneted fleet will be out of the race with BOINC. I'll switch back to RC5-72 or OGR or another DC project which permits this.

Bye, bye SETI.

 

[chsh1ca]

Would it be incredibly impossible to write a BOINCQ type app (SetiQ replacement)?

I haven't looked at it technically, and will spend some time doing so. Anyone who is interested in developing this kind of app with me (preferably in Java, to keep things simple), please let me know via email (chsh1ca@yahoo.ca). Then again, I don't have the first clue about BOINC, so I'll go find out about it now.

 

[PraetorianGuards]

Originally posted by: titanmiller

Originally posted by: Coolkid

Originally posted by: RaySun2Be
I say let's crunch SETI1 until the bitter end.

Sounds good

 

[lane42]

Bye, bye SETI.

Probably same here to

 

[PeterN]

Originally posted by: PraetorianGuards

Originally posted by: titanmiller

Originally posted by: Coolkid

Originally posted by: RaySun2Be
I say let's crunch SETI1 until the bitter end.

Sounds good

Sounds like
:music::music::music::music::music::music::music::music:
in my ears.

 

[paf077]

Originally posted by: PeterN

Originally posted by: PraetorianGuards

Originally posted by: titanmiller

Originally posted by: Coolkid

Originally posted by: RaySun2Be
I say let's crunch SETI1 until the bitter end.

Sounds good

Sounds like
:music::music::music::music::music::music::music::music:
in my ears.

yep !, to the bitter end.... till nothing of s@h 1 works anymore!:disgust:

if they come out with a queue style app so we can check our own progress, I'll switch to BOINC. Otherwise i'll look at other projects with this feature!


Paf

 

[jmeadlock]

Originally posted by: chsh1ca
Would it be incredibly impossible to write a BOINCQ type app (SetiQ replacement)?

I haven't looked at it technically, and will spend some time doing so. Anyone who is interested in developing this kind of app with me (preferably in Java, to keep things simple), please let me know via email (chsh1ca@yahoo.ca). Then again, I don't have the first clue about BOINC, so I'll go find out about it now.

Berkley states boink is open source so it ought to be super easy to make a little boinkQ... especially if it's command line based... and make hooks for someone to make a gui out of it if they want (I'm too lazy).

I haven't easily been able to find info on boink (there's no listing on sourceforge.net). If anyone knows where to find more info(and/or source code), please post.

 

[Spacehead]

BOINC Source Code
Some general BOINC info

Remember, BOINC is only the platform that will control DC clients for various projects, if that makes a difference in any programming you might do. Can you make just a SETI only Q-type program or will it have to work with other projects?


Wiz & anyone else who shares his concerns,
Maybe stop by the "What's next" forums at the S@H site & post a question about your concerns about BOINC. The S@H admins will sometimes post there so you may get your questions answered.

 

[jmeadlock]

Thanks man. Ack that's a lotta code!

Gimme a week of 1/2 hr a day reading and I'll reply

Any info on the seti boink client may be helpful.

 

[Assimilator1]

Originally posted by: chsh1ca
Would it be incredibly impossible to write a BOINCQ type app (SetiQ replacement)?

I haven't looked at it technically, and will spend some time doing so. Anyone who is interested in developing this kind of app with me (preferably in Java, to keep things simple), please let me know via email (chsh1ca@yahoo.ca). Then again, I don't have the first clue about BOINC, so I'll go find out about it now.

Nice offer! ,wish I could help!

Wiz
Totally agree with what you said about SETIQ!