SETI: BOINC Beta open

[Smoke]

Confused,

I just looked at your stats:

http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/ap/hosts_user.php?userid=546

The description of each of your computers (is that right? ... some look like duplicates) is listed but I don't see anything about the computer names other than "Confused". Is that the name of each of your computers?

 

[Confused]

Smoke...I thought it did display computer names...maybe not. The owner is me, my UserID.

It seems that those are the "installations" of the beta. Because I have been in the Beta listings for a while, there were a couple of times for each PC (only installed it on 2 pcs) where I had to remove everything, and start over again, hence the seperate entries for each PC. But upgrading the client on an already installed machine keep the same machine ID and same stats.

Appears you might not be able to see each individual machine with it's machine name...

However, in client_state.xml, there is a line which says: <hostid>89750</hostid>, which will be the unique hostid for that particular client. I suppose with some clever web script/database...you should be able to keep a record of the hostid's associated to your account, and those machines, and trace it from there?


Garry

 

[Wiz]

My 4 seti WU's went in but then I look at the results on the website and find I get no credit. :|

http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/ap/results.php?hostid=93496

claimed credit - - - - - - - - - granted credit

- - - 2.37 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00
- - - 8.84 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00
- - - 8.82 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00
- - - 9.34 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00

 

[TenaciousT]

Wiz,

I've sort of skimmed most of the BOINC posts up until now but I think that multiple people work on the same unit. If all the answers match then credit is given. If anybody is off then no credit is given to anyone.

I think it's to cut down on cheating.

I could be totally off base here. Can anybody confirm this?

 

[SirUlli]

it is open again

Hit me to become a BOINC Member

Greetings from Germany NRW
Ulli

 

[Rattledagger]

And they're accepting more users again...

Answering some questions a little later... (must read them first....)

Edit, he he, posted at the same time as Sir Ulli.

Anyway, to answers...

Smoke

BOINC - 11/19/03 09:55:21 - Suspending computation and file transfer - user is active
BOINC - 11/19/03 09:56:17 - Already attached to [L=http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/ap/http://]http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/ap/

BOINC is on but doing no work?

This is due to the default preferences all new users has got, there they've suspending BOINC for 3 minutes if you've hit a key or moved the mouse or something... So before you've got fixed the preferences, change to Run Always. (either right-click boinc-icon, or file-menu)

boinc_gui is of course using only 0% cpu, if this is high something is seriously wrong...
BTW, in seti, it's currently 2.08. If astropulse, ap_2.11_windows should show up in Task Manager.

Wiz

My questions:
when does it return results?
Looking in the Work area it shows 3 units as "ready to report" - why does it not send them in, does it wait until all the work is done for all that it downloaded?
Is there a way to only do setiathome if I wanted, it downloaded 4 units of seti and 6 units of AP?

If you've got an usable connection at the time, it will immediately return the result, and change to "ready to report" then uploaded.
It's on "ready to report" till you next time connects the scheduling-server, either then your cached wu drops below it's min-setting, or you manually hits "Update" under Projects-tab.
Hitting Update will also get new preferences, if anything changed...

As for only running the seti-wu if you've downloaded them, AFAIK the only way is to go into your favorite file-deleter and navigate to ..\boinc-dir\projects\setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu\ and delete all wu that's starting with ap_date_numbers_numbers_numbers.wu

Of course, since this is a beta-test and nothing is counted anyway to the stats, I don't really see a point to not crunch all wu you've downloaded...


--- regarding machine-listings ---
The "public" listings if not disabled this, is only listing "the rankings of the machine", Owner, recent average, total, cpu-type, OS, results.
Then logging in to an account, "the rankings of the machine" changes to your local computer-name. So if you've got a computer called Smokie as part of the domain lost_my_balls.com it will be listed as Smokie.lost_my_balls.com
You'll also get listed the local ip-address of this machine, and how many times it's been this... So if you've got the account-key, there shouldn't be any problem knowing which machine has got assigned a wu and how much time you successfully used to crunch this or it got corrupted in download or something... (this machine-listing is currently disabled)
Then re-installing BOINC or re-setting the project, you will get multiple listings of the same machine. It's possible to merge this listings, always the older to a newer machine... Then merging you will get a list of which machines you can merge with, and at that time each machine-profile was made...

--- regarding crediting ---
There will not be any credit before at least 3 "successful" results is returned. AFAIK they're still not using a real validater, but AFAIK currently all using less than 10000 secounds is seen as bad... In Seti, I've not seen anything to any credit yet, but they will hopefully enable this also...
You can for each machine hit on the "results"-part and get a listing of that wu you've got assigned, and their status in your crunching. The 1st number in this listing is the wu-number, and then hitting it you get a listing of all machines that's got assigned this wu, and their outcome... Not very encouraging then you've used 30000 seconds on something and the only other "successful" is less than 60 seconds...

BTW, credit is the average after removing the highest & lowest "claimed credit" to a wu... With normally only 3 wu then averaging, this is of course the middle... Later successful validated returns will get the same credit, they'll not re-average... Of course, how many results to use is project-specific.


NOTE, currently the personal listings of machines & results is down, so not all info is available. It's only the public listings that's up. :frown:

NOTE2, if preference-changes doesn't take immediately after downloading new, exit BOINC and re-load. Atleast changing #cpu on multi-cpu works this way...

 

[SirUlli]

Originally posted by: TenaciousT
Wiz,

I've sort of skimmed most of the BOINC posts up until now but I think that multiple people work on the same unit. If all the answers match then credit is given. If anybody is off then no credit is given to anyone.

I think it's to cut down on cheating.

I could be totally off base here. Can anybody confirm this?

yep your are right Cheating was yesterday, and when you look at Seti@work for the best 1.000 Users, it is just not going,

i think the half of the Top 1.000 ( ore a a little less............... are not there), what Reasons whatever, we will look and see.

Greetings From Germany NRW
Ulli

 

[CiSmAXz]

Just jumped on the team....

 

[SlangNRox]

I just joined.

I have one quick question. ARe the astropulse workunits of equal size? Right now my p4 3.2 is crunching 2 at around 8 hr 40 min for one and 10 hr 30 min for the other one.

 

[Robor]

I just created an account. I'm Robor again. I'll join the TeAm from work and see if I can get a system or two working with BOINC.

Thanks for the heads up!

 

[OhioDude]

Originally posted by: TenaciousT
Wiz,

I've sort of skimmed most of the BOINC posts up until now but I think that multiple people work on the same unit. If all the answers match then credit is given. If anybody is off then no credit is given to anyone.

I think it's to cut down on cheating.

I could be totally off base here. Can anybody confirm this?

So if I get the same workunits as some nimnort who's cheating and spend eight hours on those wu's legitimately, I don't get credit?

Yep, that'll certainly cut down on the cheating because nobody will run the project. :disgust:

 

[Confused]

Originally posted by: OhioDude

Originally posted by: TenaciousT
Wiz,

I've sort of skimmed most of the BOINC posts up until now but I think that multiple people work on the same unit. If all the answers match then credit is given. If anybody is off then no credit is given to anyone.

I think it's to cut down on cheating.

I could be totally off base here. Can anybody confirm this?

So if I get the same workunits as some nimnort who's cheating and spend eight hours on those wu's legitimately, I don't get credit?

Yep, that'll certainly cut down on the cheating because nobody will run the project. :disgust:

The WUs will be sent out again until there are at least 3 (or however many is needed) people have submitted the WU when done legit. Therefore...you might not get credit immediately for the work you do, but you should in theory get credit for the majority of work that you do...that is my understanding anyway.


Garry

 

[BadThad]

Seems to work again, thanks.

 

[Robor]

Well, I've got the BOINC client installed on my work computer. It downloaded 11 units and it's working on the first one right now. Appears as though it's going to take about 13.5 hours on a Dell GX-240 P4-1.8/256MB. Sound about right? Will join the TeAm later on when I get a chance.

 

[Smoke]

I un-installed BOINC last night but seeing Robor succeed made me try it again.

This time ... "Success"!

Downloaded three Astropulse Beta WUs and working on the first one.

 

[Rattledagger]

Well, since the validator for the moment only checks if 3 has reported "successful" on crunching a wu, of course the crediting is very randomly... Lucky me has just crunched 10 wu, and the same 60-second ultra-sparc-machine has crunched the same.

Then a real validator is used, they will check the results and only if 3 nearly equal results is got before granting credit. If not enough, re-crunch. Of course they can't use completely equal results, since anyone that's tried running the same seti-wu 2 times but on 2nd run stops and re-starts they wil most likely not get exactly the same result. Different clients/cpu's can also get slightly different results.
But if 3 crunchers has got 5 pulses at the same places +- 0.0001 or something and with power +- 0.0001 they most likely is the same...
If example 3rd pulse has power 1.0000045 and the cut-off for reporting pulses is power 1, only 2 having this pulse and a 3rd not should also be seen as ok result...


As for speed, a quick rule of thumb is to take seti-v3.03-crunch-time and multiply by 3 to get approximate astropulse-time...


As for differences in crunch-time, since your're using P4 I guess it's hyperthreading, and therefore not a real 2nd cpu and they will probably not crunch at the same speed...
Generally, it should be less spreading of crunch-times for Astropulse-wu, since AFAIK they isn't influenced by angle-range or something else...


Lastly, looks like it's some of the time difficult to manage talking to the scheduling server.
According to the stats, only 2052 is currently registered & started running BOINC... Maybe some more is registered, but having problems connecting...

 

[networkman]

Originally posted by: Confused

Originally posted by: OhioDude

Originally posted by: TenaciousT
Wiz,

I've sort of skimmed most of the BOINC posts up until now but I think that multiple people work on the same unit. If all the answers match then credit is given. If anybody is off then no credit is given to anyone.

I think it's to cut down on cheating.

I could be totally off base here. Can anybody confirm this?

So if I get the same workunits as some nimnort who's cheating and spend eight hours on those wu's legitimately, I don't get credit?

Yep, that'll certainly cut down on the cheating because nobody will run the project. :disgust:

The WUs will be sent out again until there are at least 3 (or however many is needed) people have submitted the WU when done legit. Therefore...you might not get credit immediately for the work you do, but you should in theory get credit for the majority of work that you do...that is my understanding anyway.

Well @*&# that! :|

If I'm not going to be getting credit for ALL of the work that I put my crunchers to task for, I definitely won't be running this project, and I'd say it's a fair bet alot of folks won't either! So let's just hope your understanding is incorrect.

 

[Rattledagger]

Networkman, did you read my previous post about validation & credit?

Seriously, if you yourself correctly crunches a wu, to get cheaters to botch this crunching atleast 2, probably 3 different cheaters must have returned this wu and all cheated to get the same results... I've no idea what the odds for this is, but I'll guess it's larger chance to download a doublet-wu in seti@home, 1/500th chance.

I've no idea that will happens then the client spits out an error-message, but if you constantly spits out more or less randomly errors it's most likely either too much overclocking or a cheater...


That in the beta-test it's difficult to get real credit is a complete other matter. Of course not many users is one of them, bugs in the client & that they currently isn't using a real validator but only checks if 3 have returned a wu "successfully"... But come on, this is a beta-test, and for the moment the most important is to check if the servers can handle more than a couple machines.


Lastly, it's still open for more beta-testers, and it looks like it's possible to download more wu...

 

[zaph]

OK, i created my acct, but it wont let me download the client. hmmm

 

[Rattledagger]

Well, the client is now back to being downloadable.
Also looks like it's possible to get some seti-wu again.

I see atleast some of the new crunchers in the team is getting credit...

Current stats, Team Anandtech, 30 users.

Project totals:
Results completed 1574815
Results in progress 20398
Results waiting to send 6916
Participants 2492
Computers 7838

Still more can register...

 

[Rattledagger]

A little bump...

BTW, looks like Astropulse under linux is up to 2.13...

Still only 30 users... isn't the saying the more the merrier... :beer:

 

[BadThad]

I've tried a BUNCH of times to get some work....can't get any. Says to check the URL, this is it right?

http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/ap/

 

[TenaciousT]

That's the right URL.

It took my machine quite awhile before it would download any work.

Remember, it's just in BETA so no telling what's happening on the other end.

 

[Rattledagger]

Make sure there aren't any spaces before/after the url...

As for managing to connect, the 1st day it was opened up it was completely impossible to connect, but the last couple of days I haven't had any problems...

 

[SirUlli]

i have written something about BOINC, SAH Astropulse and the Credtis

Hit me

in one and the other Forum, people are going to get WUs since 2 Days, that not what I called a good think, Beta or not,

Greetings from Germany
Ulli