SETI@home technical news.

Rattledagger

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April 6, 2005 - 18:30 UTC
It's been a while, so here's a general update about how things are going around here in SETI/BOINC server land.

First off, our cooling situation vastly improved yesterday. Due to low levels of freon the air conditioner in our server closet hasn't been doing its job. This was spotted and fixed, and immediately all system temps went down as much as 8 degrees (Celsius) and various fibre channel warnings disappeared from our system logs. Good.

As SETI@home classic ramps down and more users join SETI@home/BOINC, the database server is keeping up, but the replica is having a harder time of it. Right now the replica is not being used for production (only for backups), so this isn't a major problem yet.

The data server (which handles uploads/downloads) is also on the brink of being unable to keep up with demand, so we are going to deal with this as well. Fairly soon, the master science database will move off of galileo (a 6 CPU/6 GB Sun E3500) and onto castelli (an 8 CPU/7 GB Sun E3500 which faster/larger/RAIDed disks). Then galileo will shed its large, unwieldy disk enclosures and be in the running as a good replacement for the data server (currently a 2 CPU/2 GB Sun D220R). We have the option of splitting uploads and downloads onto separate servers as well.

The web server is doing just fine, but in anticipation of higher demand and possibly more site features we are working on setting up a bank of SunFire V100s to be backup web servers. Or they may become splitter servers, in case we can't keep up with workunit production demand.
 

Shuxclams

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Originally posted by: Rattledagger
April 6, 2005 - 18:30 UTC
It's been a while, so here's a general update about how things are going around here in SETI/BOINC server land.

First off, our cooling situation vastly improved yesterday. Due to low levels of freon the air conditioner in our server closet hasn't been doing its job. This was spotted and fixed, and immediately all system temps went down as much as 8 degrees (Celsius) and various fibre channel warnings disappeared from our system logs. Good.

As SETI@home classic ramps down and more users join SETI@home/BOINC, the database server is keeping up, but the replica is having a harder time of it. Right now the replica is not being used for production (only for backups), so this isn't a major problem yet.

The data server (which handles uploads/downloads) is also on the brink of being unable to keep up with demand, so we are going to deal with this as well. Fairly soon, the master science database will move off of galileo (a 6 CPU/6 GB Sun E3500) and onto castelli (an 8 CPU/7 GB Sun E3500 which faster/larger/RAIDed disks). Then galileo will shed its large, unwieldy disk enclosures and be in the running as a good replacement for the data server (currently a 2 CPU/2 GB Sun D220R). We have the option of splitting uploads and downloads onto separate servers as well.

The web server is doing just fine, but in anticipation of higher demand and possibly more site features we are working on setting up a bank of SunFire V100s to be backup web servers. Or they may become splitter servers, in case we can't keep up with workunit production demand.




Wow, I hope things keep together when SETI Classic closes down...








SHUX
 

Wolfsraider

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Nice that they are looking at the requirements closely, I wonder though if adding 2 more cpus will be enough though, as that the 1 area that looks the weakest.

mike
 

Smoke

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RD,

What servers are handling Seti-Classic?

And is there some measurement to compare the amount of data being processed by Classic vis-a-vis BOINC?
 

Rattledagger

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Both projects is sharing the Master Science Database, currently Galileo, E3500 with 6x 400 MHz cpu's using small, slow, nearly full non-raided hd's.

Both projects is apparently also sharing 3 servers for splitting, this is Galileo, Milkyway (U60 with 2x 400 MHz cpu's) and Philmor (U10 - single 350 MHz cpu)

A HP SureStore Tape Autoloader is used to read upto 9 tapes at a time, and save as tape-image to disk. The splitting atleast for BOINC apparently happens from these tape-images...

The tape-images should still be saved on the 3 TB NetApp filer, this also contains all "classic"-wu waiting to be sent out.

"Classic" is running off 3 E450-servers, not sure if all has the max 4 cpu's or not.
One is user-db-server, one dataserver responsible for upload/download, and one online science-db there all results in "classic" is inserted and slowly validated before moved to the Master Science Database. This last server will most likely still be tied-up for some weeks/months after "classic" has ended...

"Classic" also uses 2 different web-servers, not sure on these...

BOINC is using one AFAIK unlisted as upload/download-server, AFAIK still connected to a snapappliance 18000 - SATA-raid-disk-system all wu/results is residing on. Not sure on the disk-capasity here...
Kryten as scheduling-server.
Koloth for transitioner, validator and file_deleter.
Klaatu for web-pages and transitioner.
Kosh for validator and replica-database-server.

All of these servers is Sun-220R with 2x 440 MHz and 2 GB ram except Koloth with 1 GB.

Last but not least, a Sun V40z acting as BOINC database server. This has 2x Opteron 844 - 1.8 GHz (max 4 cpu's) and 8 GB memory (max 32), and is connected to Sun StoreEdge-3510 fibre-channel raid-disks.


Not exactly sure on the production, but according to the latest "classic" stats there's 1.1-1.2 M results/day. SETI@home/BOINC doesn't post this info, but 16.02 they was reportedly sending out 250k "results"/day.
But, they're currently keeping a queue of 500k "results" ready to send out, by using how long time from split & transitioned to issued by the scheduling-server, it looks like around 320k "results"/day now...

How many results that is actually crunched and returned on the other hand is unknown...


 

Assimilator1

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Thanks RD

Lots of info! ,I see the BOINC dataserver is getting a nice upgrade

Has there been a new estimate on the big switch over?
 

BobTheWizard

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Originally posted by: Assimilator1

Has there been a new estimate on the big switch over?


I'm wondering this myself... When should we be looking at switching from Classic to BOINC? I'm grinding away toward 5000 WU's on Classic, but it doesn't look like there will be time to get there....

Just wondering....

 

Rattledagger

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Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Has there been a new estimate on the big switch over?
No, the last is still this:
March 17, 2005
In preparation for shutting down SETI@home Classic (in about 1 month, hopefully) we're trying to make sure that SETI@home Classic accounts are linked to the proper SETI@home/BOINC account. This is a bit complicated because of email address changes. See our current transition plan.
Matt Lebofsky posted this 16.03.2005
Okay - before anybody gets too excited, these are just some baby steps as we prepare for the real migration. We have a lot of cleanup to do. Basically, having old classic stats in the BOINC profiles confused/infuriated users who were making the switch over to BOINC. As well, I'm personally sick and tired of dealing with the slow and impossible-to-administrate classic message boards so might as well start requesting that people use these boards which work a *lot* better.

It's not like we're shutting things down tomorrow. We'll still give plenty of advance warning.

- Matt
Neither of these, nor the updated transition-plan, was posted in "classic", so if they wants to "give plenty of advance warning" the "in a month" is maybe when they hopes all the server-shuffling is done and they are ready for sending out the mass-email to all users with exact shutdown-timeline.


Anyway, till they've upgraded the data-server, they haven't enough capasity, so wouldn't expect they're shutting down before May...
 
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