Sex, Science, and Static - Pro-abstinence politics meddles with a CDC conference.

DealMonkey

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I hope Rep. Mark Souder (R-Ind) is proud - the GOP and the Bush regime now have a long track-record of over-riding the scientific process, injecting ideology and religious beliefs into formerly non-secular governmental agencies like the FDA, and overall making everyone stupider and more ignorant in the process.

GG Team Bush! :thumbsdown:

Sex, Science, and Static
Pro-abstinence politics meddles with a CDC conference.
By Amanda Schaffer
Posted Friday, May 5, 2006, at 5:28 PM ET

The upcoming National STD Prevention Conference, sponsored by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, among other groups, has just been given an unhealthy shot of ideology. The conference was supposed to include a symposium designed to explore how abstinence-only sex education may undermine other efforts to reduce STDs. The papers and panelists had gone through the customary vetting of peer review. But now the symposium has been abruptly retooled to include two proponents of abstinence programs?and to exclude a well-respected detractor. This is bad news, not only because abstinence-only work is scientifically unfounded but also because the switch represents a new level of government intrusion into the peer-review process of a major scientific meeting.

The biannual STD conference, which takes place next week, is one of the premier professional forums in the country for discussing sexually transmitted diseases. It is expected to draw at least 1,200 academic scientists, STD clinicians, and public-health practitioners. The symposium that's been meddled with was originally titled, "Are Abstinence-Only-Until-Marriage Programs a Threat to Public Health?" Its convener, Bruce Trigg of the New Mexico Department of Public Health, proposed a skeptical look at abstinence education, which the Bush administration is funding to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. As moderator, Trigg promised to ground the critique in scientific evidence. His panelists were to be John Santelli of Columbia's School of Public Health and William Smith of the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States, a well-regarded sexual-health organization. Santelli recently wrote a position paper on abstinence-only education for the Society for Adolescent Medicine in which he argued that abstinence programs are medically unethical because they misrepresent and withhold basic health information.

Trigg's symposium proposal went through all the steps of peer review, including an expert panel, and was accepted. This week, however, a different title and lineup were announced on the conference's Web site. Now called "Public Health Strategies of Abstinence Programs for Youth," the program will no longer be moderated by Trigg, though he and Santelli will still present. Smith, by contrast, has been bumped from the program.

Taking his place are two staunch proponents of abstinence-only education, Eric Walsh and Patricia Sulak. Walsh is a family physician affiliated with Loma Linda University, a Seventh-day Adventist institution in California. His approach to public health is explicitly ideological. "Dr. Walsh seeks to serve the Lord through medical missions and the preaching of the Gospel in all the world," an online bio explains. Sulak, meanwhile, is an obstetrician-gynecologist at Scott & White Memorial Hospital in Texas and the founder of "Worth the Wait," an abstinence program noteworthy for its negative messages about condoms and stereotypical statements about girls and boys.

So, who's responsible for the switcheroo? Two senior scientists connected to the conference said they were told that Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., had intervened. Souder is a longtime antagonist of comprehensive sexual education who helped to spearhead congressional hearings on the human papillomavirus in 2004 that were a thinly veiled excuse to poke holes in condom use. According to the two senior scientists, Souder reportedly reviewed materials for next week's conference and contacted an official at the Department of Health and Human Services who then leaned on the CDC to add more "balance" to the abstinence discussion. If Smith had not been removed from the panel, the scientists say, the symposium would have been canceled. The CDC confirmed that questions had been raised about the "balance of opinions" on the original symposium. Souder's office did not return repeated phone calls requesting comment.

The new cast of speakers was hastily assembled. Sulak said she first heard of the conference earlier this week. "I don't even know who these people are," she told me, referring to the other members of the symposium.

Sulak is a good candidate for promoting a pro-abstinence message. "Since when is abstinence until marriage a threat to public health?" she asks. Of course, most experts believe that abstinence is a healthy choice for teenagers. They simply don't believe, based on the evidence, that abstinence-only programs do much good. And they worry that these curricula?which often include medically inaccurate material and disparaging information about condoms?will leave kids ill-equipped to protect themselves, if and when they do choose to have sex. According to Trigg, public-health physicians in New Mexico reviewed Sulak's "Worth the Wait" program and rejected it because of gender bias and medical errors.

The most vexing thing about this episode is not that STD researchers will apparently have to duke it out with two pro-abstinence ideologues. It's that the event's peer-review process has been undermined. "This conference has always been run as a scientific meeting," said Jonathan Zenilman, chief of infectious diseases at Johns Hopkins Bayview Medical Center and president of the American Sexually Transmitted Diseases Association, one of the groups organizing the conference along with the CDC.

Politicians now appear to be setting different standards. "My sense is that the leadership in Washington just thinks this is business as usual and doesn't even realize that these kinds of things didn't happen before," Santelli said. These things didn't happen. And they shouldn't start to.

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At every turn the GOP and the Administration push programs that don't work on the public. Spending millions of dollars funding these failed programs of abstinence-only education, when it's proven they don't work. The evidence be damned - their overwhelming religiousity being more important than the truth. And when a huge body of scientists convene with proof that these programs don't work, the CDC now politicized and pro-abstienence-only baptised, attempts to cover it up.

What a lovely little tea party!
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I hope Rep. Mark Souder (R-Ind) is proud - the GOP and the Bush regime now have a long track-record of over-riding the scientific process, injecting ideology and religious beliefs into formerly non-secular governmental agencies like the FDA, and overall making everyone stupider and more ignorant in the process.

GG Team Bush! :thumbsdown:

Sex, Science, and Static
Pro-abstinence politics meddles with a CDC conference.
By Amanda Schaffer
Posted Friday, May 5, 2006, at 5:28 PM ET

Linkage

At every turn the GOP and the Administration push programs that don't work on the public. Spending millions of dollars funding these failed programs of abstinence-only education, when it's proven they don't work. The evidence be damned - their overwhelming religiousity being more important than the truth. And when a huge body of scientists convene with proof that these programs don't work, the CDC now politicized and pro-abstienence-only baptised, attempts to cover it up.

What a lovely little tea party!

It's simply a GOP smoke screen to give their Church buddies their kickbacks for voting Republican.

The President calls it his "Faith based initiatives?.

Enjoy
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
It's simply a GOP smoke screen to give their Church buddies their kickbacks for voting Republican.

The President calls it his "Faith based initiatives?.

Enjoy
Well, that's the problem - I'm *not* enjoying it. And yes, there seems to be quid pro quo between the President and the legions of churches and church-going folk who form his base. I mean follow the money: President authorizes millions (I wouldn't be surprised if it was BILLIONS) to help fund the churches who, in turn, help re-elect him.

Awesome!
 

Strk

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The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.
 

techs

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Christian conservatives just don't want people having sex (outside of procreation).
It's as simple as that.
 

Meuge

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Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.
I am against abstinence. Sex is good for you... and sexual interplay between two people is good for a person's psychological development.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.
I am against abstinence. Sex is good for you... and sexual interplay between two people is good for a person's psychological development.

Bah! I didn't mean in that sense and you know it!

But seriously, I doubt anyone in the public health field is really going to say abstinence is bad. I'm not a huge fan of it, but if that's how someone wants to function, go for it. I'm more of a fan of caution (hey, there's a reason we want sex, so why fight it?). As Van Wilder said, "don't be a fool, wrap your tool."
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.
I am against abstinence. Sex is good for you... and sexual interplay between FOUR people is good for a person's psychological development.

Fixed for ya!
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.

Meh, this entire issue is far less important than the press it receives.

People who don't choose abstinence simply need to be held personally responsible.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.

Meh, this entire issue is far less important than the press it receives.

People who don't choose abstinence simply need to be held personally responsible.

My dear Sir, I do not want to be held responsible by you. I find your posts to contain generally speaking, less sense than I find in a goose and am quite sure that you haven't the faintest notion of what being 'responsible' means.

No offense, but I wanted you to see what being held responsible might look like.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: techs
Christian conservatives just don't want people having sex (outside of procreation).
It's as simple as that.

And if they do practice what they preach - they will be a self-chlorinating gene pool, and will take themselves out of the equation.

Unfortunately, we have to suffer the fools until they are winners of the Darwin Trophy, and are gone.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.

Meh, this entire issue is far less important than the press it receives.

People who don't choose abstinence simply need to be held personally responsible.
No, you guys choose it because it's already part of your lifestyle now and in the foreseeable future whether you want it to be or not. You are just embracing your fate.

 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: techs
Christian conservatives just don't want people having sex (outside of procreation).
It's as simple as that.

And if they do practice what they preach - they will be a self-chlorinating gene pool, and will take themselves out of the equation.

Unfortunately, we have to suffer the fools until they are winners of the Darwin Trophy, and are gone.

I don't know about that. Doesn't that quack Santorum have like 5 or 6 kids??
 

Meuge

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.
I am against abstinence. Sex is good for you... and sexual interplay between FOUR people is good for a person's psychological development.

Fixed for ya!
Ehh... anything more than 2 at a time is fun once, but it's certainly not something that should be done on a regular basis, in my humble opinion.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.

Meh, this entire issue is far less important than the press it receives.

People who don't choose abstinence simply need to be held personally responsible.

My dear Sir, I do not want to be held responsible by you. I find your posts to contain generally speaking, less sense than I find in a goose and am quite sure that you haven't the faintest notion of what being 'responsible' means.

No offense, but I wanted you to see what being held responsible might look like.

I second that emotion. Plus, I'd like to hold Z personally responsible for some of the inane drivel he spews on a daily basis. Maybe a solid shock to the nuts everytime he does it? That only seems fair.
 

jackschmittusa

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Science was one of the last bastions of truth in this country. Sad to say that this Administration has gone so far out of its way to corrupt it that now even Congressmen think it is ok to do it.

But I think I have found my road to fame and fortune. I shall create a publication titled "Unscientific American" and market it using Republican mailing and calling lists. I may even get to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom when I go to consult GWB about what science he would like trashed in the next months issue.
 

Meuge

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Science was one of the last bastions of truth in this country. Sad to say that this Administration has gone so far out of its way to corrupt it that now even Congressmen think it is ok to do it.
And that's only what you hear. If you only knew what Bush has done to the NIH funding, you'd realize how deep the problem really goes. This adminstration has taken concrete steps aimed at decapitating american science on the whole.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.

Meh, this entire issue is far less important than the press it receives.

People who don't choose abstinence simply need to be held personally responsible.

Naturally (and as usual), you have entirely missed the point:

The purpose of the symposium which was meddled with by Rep. Mark Souder was to present and debate evidence produced during peer-reviewed research that abstinence-only programs actually result in higher rates of STDs than "balanced" programs (those which recommend abstinence, but also teach methods [to those that choose not to abstain] for avoiding pregnancy and reducing exposure to STDs ).

The question at hand is whether it is proper for a politician to intrude into the scientific process to further his or her own political agenda.

Your opinion on whether those who engage in out-of-wedlock sex ought to be held responsible by society for the consequences of their actions is utterly irrelevant to this question.

If you cannot comprehend simple English prose, I suggest you yourself "abstain" from participating in this discussion.
 

Jeff7

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People want to have sex, and they're going to have sex. Everyone might as well learn deal with it somehow.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.

Meh, this entire issue is far less important than the press it receives.

People who don't choose abstinence simply need to be held personally responsible.

Naturally (and as usual), you have entirely missed the point:

The purpose of the symposium which was meddled with by Rep. Mark Souder was to present and debate evidence produced during peer-reviewed research that abstinence-only programs actually result in higher rates of STDs than "balanced" programs (those which recommend abstinence, but also teach methods [to those that choose not to abstain] for avoiding pregnancy and reducing exposure to STDs ).

The question at hand is whether it is proper for a politician to intrude into the scientific process to further his or her own political agenda.

Your opinion on whether those who engage in out-of-wedlock sex ought to be held responsible by society for the consequences of their actions is utterly irrelevant to this question.

If you cannot comprehend simple English prose, I suggest you yourself "abstain" from participating in this discussion.

But non sequiturs are fun!

People want to have sex, and they're going to have sex. Everyone might as well learn deal with it somehow.

Exactly, which is why these abstinence-only education programs fail miserably. Sadly, there are people out there who think sex ed is basically encouragement to run around and have sex. And they feel abstinence works (even though all evidence says it doesn't).

I don't remember who said it, but someone put it pretty well, "most of those who are abstaining aren't doing so through their own will."
 

Jhhnn

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Gee, Zendari, if it's not that important, why do the raving Fundies now have carte blanche to interject themselves into the realm of science? Not important... to who?

If it wasn't important to them and to their leadership, they wouldn't bother. If it wasn't important to the well being of future generations, rational people would simply chuckle at their knuckleheadedness...

Abstinence only methodology is just another fear based form of social control. Preaching against Sin is a lot easier when there are plenty of obvious victims around, and the proponents aim to make sure of that.

It's only "not that important" for those blindly clinging to the faith they have in their ideological absurdities... It's about having the "values" and "freedom" to do as you're told, goose-step along behind the banners and symbols of your own enslavement...
 

techs

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.

Meh, this entire issue is far less important than the press it receives.

People who don't choose abstinence simply need to be held personally responsible.
Millions of people dying from AIDS each year. The US pushing a religious agenda that ensures more millions will die. And you think thats not important?
Meh, you are far less important than the posts you make.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.

Meh, this entire issue is far less important than the press it receives.

People who don't choose abstinence simply need to be held personally responsible.
Millions of people dying from AIDS each year. The US pushing a religious agenda that ensures more millions will die. And you think thats not important?
Meh, you are far less important than the posts you make.

If they got it through not undergoing abstinence, that's a lifestyle choice and they earned their fate.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
The part that annoys me the most is that these abstinence-only advocates act as though public health experts are against abstinence.

Meh, this entire issue is far less important than the press it receives.

People who don't choose abstinence simply need to be held personally responsible.
Millions of people dying from AIDS each year. The US pushing a religious agenda that ensures more millions will die. And you think thats not important?
Meh, you are far less important than the posts you make.

If they got it through not undergoing abstinence, that's a lifestyle choice and they earned their fate.
Jesus fscking Christ, you are one nasty little man.

 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: techs
Millions of people dying from AIDS each year. The US pushing a religious agenda that ensures more millions will die. And you think thats not important?
Meh, you are far less important than the posts you make.

If they got it through not undergoing abstinence, that's a lifestyle choice and they earned their fate.
Jesus fscking Christ, you are one nasty little man.

Maybe they should, ahem, embrace their fate, as we guys do.
 
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