Sex with robots is unethical, researcher claims

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waggy

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meh. if a guy wants to fuck a robot have fun. I for one look foreword to teh day i can get a realdoll with AI!
 

TheELF

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Those are all fuzzy lines. How do we tell when they are crossed?

There is nothing fuzzy about it,it might be a legal question,but there is nothing fuzzy,a software emulation(even a hardware based one) is not reality, it doesn't get any less fuzzy then that.

The legal or ethical side is a whole other thing,we still might give them rights even if we know that it's just running software,just as we gave legal rights to animals.
 

shira

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What can man become? Wher is humanities future? What is the trajectory of our spiritual evolution? What does it mean to evolve?

Is the person making the claims that robots should not be used for sex ahead or behind you in her understanding of the human condition. Does she perhaps have feelings and instincts you do not feel?

What do you imagine may be her motivation that compels her views?
I can fairly evaluate the researcher's position based on her stated purpose, which she says is to stop the "unequal power" relationships between people and sex computers. That implies a "principle:" unequal power relationships are overall bad.

And that is the focus of my counter-argument. If we follow this woman's argument to its logical conclusion, we must conclude that people shouldn't use computers at all, because we "own" them and completely control them, whether for sex or for anything else. I don't agree with her.
 
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woolfe9998

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To repeat the point I made at the start: There's nothing inherently different between computers providing sexual services and computers providing any other service. Computers are evolving to provide us with exactly what we want, when we want it. So why should extremely sophisticated sexual-services be singled out as somehow beyond the pale of what robots should be allowed to provide?

Moreover, computers themselves already provide "sexual services" by showing us porn, making it easier to access. This of course is just providing it in a different way. Then again, these same feminists would undoubtedly like to see that shut down as well.

I wonder what the difference is between having sex with a robot and having sex with an inflatable doll. Both are in animate objects. One is just more sophisticated than the other.

All these examples have one thing in common: they have to do with men and their sexual proclivities, so they must be stopped. Anti-sex feminists aren't that different than anti-sex religious people. The logic sounds different only on the surface.
 

Moonbeam

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I can fairly evaluate the researcher's position based on her stated purpose, which she says is to stop the "unequal power" relationships between people and sex computers. That implies a "principle:" unequal power relationships are overall bad.

And that is the focus of my counter-argument. If we follow this woman's argument to its logical conclusion, we must conclude that people shouldn't use computers at all, because we "own" them and completely control them, whether for sex or for anything else. I don't agree with her.

I believe your evaluation of her position may be incomplete for reasons I suggested. You are arguing from a legalistic logical point of view and she is trying to crystallize her feelings into words that express an emotional state. I think the implication is that how we see computers, especially ones that represent real people, sex robots, will slop over onto how we see each other, that we will treat each other as disposable machines. I see her expressing higher ideals that many may not feel.
 

Moonbeam

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Moreover, computers themselves already provide "sexual services" by showing us porn, making it easier to access. This of course is just providing it in a different way. Then again, these same feminists would undoubtedly like to see that shut down as well.

I wonder what the difference is between having sex with a robot and having sex with an inflatable doll. Both are in animate objects. One is just more sophisticated than the other.

All these examples have one thing in common: they have to do with men and their sexual proclivities, so they must be stopped. Anti-sex feminists aren't that different than anti-sex religious people. The logic sounds different only on the surface.

Why not just say that male proclivities of the type you suggest are the result of mental illness?
 

mammador

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A researcher - Kathleen Richardson - claims that using robots for sex is unethical:



The simple counter-argument, of course, is that the entire relationship between humans and computers is and always has been "unequal." Computers are our "slaves" - owned by us to do our bidding. And when they are no longer able to do what we want them to do, or are too slow or too unreliable, we discard them.

So why should using robots for sex be considered something special?
yep, non-sapient beings being used is evil..... i think she's a crackpot.
 

WelshBloke

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I think the implication is that how we see computers, especially ones that represent real people, sex robots, will slop over onto how we see each other, that we will treat each other as disposable machines. I see her expressing higher ideals that many may not feel.

I'd rather we treat real disposable machines as disposable machines than the situation now where we treat real people as disposable machines. Prostitution is an ugly business.

I doubt that we are ever going to get to a point where you're going to have a human relationship with a robot. There's too much going on in that relationship that we still don't understand.
 

justoh

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I hate how people treat their hands as sex objects.
 
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bshole

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I can fairly evaluate the researcher's position based on her stated purpose, which she says is to stop the "unequal power" relationships between people and sex computers. That implies a "principle:" unequal power relationships are overall bad.

And that is the focus of my counter-argument. If we follow this woman's argument to its logical conclusion, we must conclude that people shouldn't use computers at all, because we "own" them and completely control them, whether for sex or for anything else. I don't agree with her.


Does a milking maching count as a robot? An afternoon spent with some friends and a milking machine is really hard to beat. I never knew that it could be unethical...
 

Virge_

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I'm really surprised this thread has had this many replies and nobody has pointed out the obvious here.

Sex robots are no different than dildo's and vibrators - it is classified as a sex toy. As far as sex toys are concerned - if one goes, they all go. I highly doubt she would concur with this, because it isn't furthering some ridiculous feminist agenda.
 

justoh

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Most would rather have sex with a robot than with a feminist. It's clear what her problem is here.
 

MagickMan

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A feminist gender studies (*snicker*) researcher finds sex with robots to be unethical? Shocking. :\

Riddle me this, does that mean women have been raping their vibrators and dildos all this time?
 

shira

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Does a milking maching count as a robot? An afternoon spent with some friends and a milking machine is really hard to beat. I never knew that it could be unethical...
Presumably ANY sex machine qualifies for this researcher's wrath. Because the machine is there solely for the benefit of the human, which (according to this researcher's theory) would negatively affect that human's view toward prospective human sex partners.
 

shira

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All these examples have one thing in common: they have to do with men and their sexual proclivities, so they must be stopped. Anti-sex feminists aren't that different than anti-sex religious people. The logic sounds different only on the surface.

Wow. Finally the Right can find common ground with women. Fight evil sex.
 

TheGardener

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I believe your evaluation of her position may be incomplete for reasons I suggested. You are arguing from a legalistic logical point of view and she is trying to crystallize her feelings into words that express an emotional state. I think the implication is that how we see computers, especially ones that represent real people, sex robots, will slop over onto how we see each other, that we will treat each other as disposable machines. I see her expressing higher ideals that many may not feel.
Ethics and legal standing are indeed two very different things. Sometimes a prevailing ethical stance will become law. Though it seems with the way judicial rulings are going, a minority perspective on ethics can become law. One is doing good to predict how things will turn out.

By the way, the term slop when discussing sexual ethics, may not have been the best choice of a verb. Though pretty good as an intended pun.
 

TheGardener

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I don't think that anything is tied down as hard and fast when it comes to determining whether a robot has consciousness. Though the hurdle for consent for consent or ownership may not have to be that high.

An analogy for ownership is akin to that of pets. In the case of pets, some of the more militant PETA members would argue that no human has the right to own an animal. Is it surprising that some Feminist would argue for a prohibition of humans, especially males, having sex with robots? This is link is quite old, so you need not point this out.

http://www.dogforums.com/general-dog-forum/17919-peta-pet-slavery.html

The official current views of PETA are here. But they avoid the term ownership, at least on the first page.

We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals’ best interests if the institution of “pet keeping”—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as “pets”—never existed.

http://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/
 
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