Sexual frustration common in these rampage killers - studies show ...

[Phokus]

... that lack of sexual release causes violent rage in other animals:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-dawn/200908/sex-and-violence

Some choice quotes from the article:

The relationship between sexual frustration and violence is evident in chimps, where most of the male/male conflict arises over access to ovulating females. Among free-loving bonobos on the other hand, there is little, if any, male sexual frustration and thus little, if any, violence. This is no coincidence.

war-like societies intentionally cultivate sexual frustration in young men because their resulting aggressiveness makes them better soldiers, much like boxing trainers making fighters swear off women. Criminologists have long known that unmarried young men commit the bulk of the crimes in the United States. The best way to end a criminal's career is to get him married -- or at least laid regularly.

To attribute this or any other killing to sexual frustration alone would certainly be an oversimplification. But we'd be equally mistaken in arguing sexual frustration wasn't an important component in the rage.

Elliot Rogers, the Oregon dude, George Sodini, the Auroro guy, all of them had trouble attracting women.

I think one partial solution to this problem would be to legalize prostitution. A lot of these incels would at least get release. Although that may not help for incels who want to feel desired rather than just paying for sex.

 

[woolfe9998]

Were these people born without hands? I say this, because, well, there is a typical way that people not getting laid deal with their sexual frustration and obtain "release," and it has nothing to do with killing people.

 

[Phokus]

Were these people born without hands? I say this, because, well, there is a typical way that people not getting laid deal with their sexual frustration and obtain "release," and it has nothing to do with killing people.

Having sex with Pamela Handerson and Pamela Anderson are two very different experiences

 

[SlickSnake]

Oh looky here, another BS opinion on violence that "coincidentally" also found the results they wanted when they started "researching" it. When in fact, there are plenty of violent criminals out there preying on society every single day, that also manage to get laid every single night. While I'm not dismissing sexual frustration as a cause in some violent crimes, we are talking a very small percentage of violent crimes here.

 

[woolfe9998]

Having sex with Pamela Handerson and Pamela Anderson are two very different experiences

Yes, but why is the difference sufficient to make someone want to kill?

It's probably more about the feeling of rejection than sexual frustration per se.

 

[Paratus]

Well shit, this board is a veritable breeding ground for psycho killers. :awe:

 

[woolfe9998]

Oh looky here, another BS opinion on violence that "coincidentally" also found the results they wanted when they started "researching" it. When in fact, there are plenty of violent criminals out there praying on society every single day, that also manage to get laid every single night. While I'm not dismissing sexual frustration as a cause in some violent crimes, we are talking a very small percentage of violent crimes here.

I think it's an error to conflate mass murderers and spree killers with violent criminals in general. A lot of violent crime is easily explained by financial motives (robberies, spouses killed for insurance money), or the crime being personal between perp and victims. With these mass killers there are probably some factors in common to many of them which are not shared in common with other violent criminals. Other than that, I essentially agree that sexual frustration may play a small role but isn't likely to be the main factor. Then again, the linked article pretty much says that as well.

 

[Jaskalas]

Were these people born without hands? I say this, because, well, there is a typical way that people not getting laid deal with their sexual frustration and obtain "release," and it has nothing to do with killing people.

That's only half the equation. I'll guess that intimacy and the pheromones of your partner are the other important aspects. The need to fulfill the purpose of a living organism simply isn't met by yourself.

Also... it does help to have another person sharing your thoughts... picking apart your brain. To keep balance and perspective. Imagine that in our analog and imperfect structure... we're all just ticking time bombs if left on our own... in isolation.

What if the scientifically proven torture and degradation of pure isolation is also functionally present during intimate isolation? Certainly not to the same degree, but I would say such isolation represents an illness that too often manifests as a danger to oneself and/or to others.

 

[woolfe9998]

That's only half the equation. I'll guess that intimacy and the pheromones of your partner are the other important aspects. The need to fulfill the purpose of a living organism simply isn't met by yourself.

Also... it does help to have another person sharing your thoughts... picking apart your brain. To keep balance and perspective. Imagine that in our analog and imperfect structure... we're all just ticking time bombs if left on our own... in isolation.

What if the scientifically proven torture and degradation of pure isolation is also functionally present during intimate isolation? Certainly not to the same degree, but I would say such isolation represents an illness that too often manifests as a danger to oneself and/or to others.

Yes, this is all true, but you've gone beyond the "sexual frustration" thesis here. If it's really "sexual frustration" per se we're talking about, any "release" will do well enough. The lack of intimacy you're talking can be a factor but that isn't really sexual frustration.

I think these mass killers feel rejected, possibly by society in general, and possibly some of them by women in particular. This would include sexual frustration but it's mostly about feeling worthless and turning your "self-hate" outward. Yeah, I know it sounds like Moonbeam, but the concept of self-hate seems applicable here.

 

[DrDoug]

Bobby Jindal blames music:

Our music does the same thing, we promote evil, we promote the degradation of women, we flaunt the laws of God and common decency and we promote it all and we flood our young people with it.

games:

We have generations of young boys who were raised on video games where they compete with other young boys around the country and the world to see who can kill the most humans. We make it so fun, so realistic, so sensational.

and...

Oh, we make sure that we stop them from bullying at school, but we are completely fine with them watching people get murdered and raped on the internet after school, and we are willing to let them go to the basement and join a fantasy world where they pretend they are killing people for 2 hours after school.

movies & TV:

Our movies and TV shows feature a continuous stream of grotesque killing of every kind imaginable. And this is true of virtually every genre, from horror to drama to comedy. We celebrate and document every kind of deviant behavior and we give out awards to producers who can push the envelope as far as possible. Rape, torture, murder, mass murder, all are cinematic achievements.

and crappy (or no) fathers:

And who is it that generally commits these evil acts of mass murder that are becoming routine? It’s almost always young men who have either no father figure in their lives, or a broken relationship with their father. Is this just a coincidence? Of course not.

Jindal paints the image of a basement-dwelling, fatherless gamer who watches lots of movies & TV who can't get laid and this guy adds on the inability to get laid.

Seems legit but he left out porn. :biggrin:

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The error the OP is making is in equating sex with intimacy and a feeling of companionship which is way more satisfying then just getting off. Also we are not bonobos. Any attempt to link human behavior and that of spree killers/mass murderers to these primates (who are a off-shoot of chimps) is flawed.

Edit: Never mind I see others caught it.

 

[blankslate]

remember that study that was conducted on Rhode Island's inadvertent decriminalization of indoor prostitution?

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-rhode-island-accidentally-legalized-prostitution-2014-7

The report, published by the National Bureau of Economic Research, found that from 2004-2009, when indoor prostitution was decriminalized throughout Rhode Island, there was a 31% decrease in reported rapes and a 39% decrease in female gonorrhea reports.

Perhaps they should have done a study on violent crime aside from just rapes as well.


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[Moonbeam]

Yes, this is all true, but you've gone beyond the "sexual frustration" thesis here. If it's really "sexual frustration" per se we're talking about, any "release" will do well enough. The lack of intimacy you're talking can be a factor but that isn't really sexual frustration.

I think these mass killers feel rejected, possibly by society in general, and possibly some of them by women in particular. This would include sexual frustration but it's mostly about feeling worthless and turning your "self-hate" outward. Yeah, I know it sounds like Moonbeam, but the concept of self-hate seems applicable here.

I note that these school shooter types are seeking to be famous and they follow the footsteps of those who have done that. A simple minded solution th feeling insignificant is to make a name for yourself.

Competition creates lots of happy successful people despised by losers. In a world of cooperative foundation, the notion and need for losers would diminish.

 

[woolfe9998]

I note that these school shooter types are seeking to be famous and they follow the footsteps of those who have done that. A simple minded solution th feeling insignificant is to make a name for yourself.

Competition creates lots of happy successful people despised by losers. In a world of cooperative foundation, the notion and need for losers would diminish.

By this I take it you - agree or disagree - about self-hate being the driving factor of a spree killer?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Bobby Jindal blames music:

games:

and...

movies & TV:

and crappy (or no) fathers:

Jindal paints the image of a basement-dwelling, fatherless gamer who watches lots of movies & TV who can't get laid and this guy adds on the inability to get laid.

Seems legit but he left out porn. :biggrin:

He sounds like some kind of social justice warrior.

 

[Moonbeam]

By this I take it you - agree or disagree - about self-hate being the driving factor of a spree killer?

Totally agree. The feeling that one is insignificant is just another way to hate oneself. It is a feeling we are not born with but acquire fron a sick environment and the delusional standards we call success.

 

[HomerJS]

The error the OP is making is in equating sex with intimacy and a feeling of companionship which is way more satisfying then just getting off. Also we are not bonobos. Any attempt to link human behavior and that of spree killers/mass murderers to these primates (who are a off-shoot of chimps) is flawed.

Edit: Never mind I see others caught it.

Have you seen Congress?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I've said this about Iraq & Afghanistan. We don't need that many troops we need hookers & hot strippers.

 

[Attic]

 

[Theb]

Might be something to that.

Idaho teen threatened to ‘kill all the girls’ because cheerleaders wouldn’t send him any ‘freaking nudes’

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/ida...rleaders-wouldnt-send-him-any-freaking-nudes/

 

[shira]

Oh looky here, another BS opinion on violence that "coincidentally" also found the results they wanted when they started "researching" it. When in fact, there are plenty of violent criminals out there preying on society every single day, that also manage to get laid every single night. While I'm not dismissing sexual frustration as a cause in some violent crimes, we are talking a very small percentage of violent crimes here.

How could you possibly say with any confidence that the percentage of violent crimes committed as an expression of sexual frustration is "very small?" All you can say for sure is that some violent crimes are committed by individuals who are apparently not sexually frustrated.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Were these people born without hands? I say this, because, well, there is a typical way that people not getting laid deal with their sexual frustration and obtain "release," and it has nothing to do with killing people.

But the bible says that's a sin...

 

[Indus]

Why can't we legalize and subsidize prostitution already with a 25% tax on all gun purchases and provide protection for prostitutes too?

 

[Drako]

But the bible says that's a sin...

What Bible did you read?

 

[woolfe9998]

But the bible says that's a sin...

Does the Bible actually say anything about pleasuring oneself? I know your comment was meant to be funny, but i honestly think that Christians who have been saying masturbation is a sin haven't read their own scriptures very closely.