sharing printers over a network with win98/winxp, or, "why does WinXP suck so bad at networking?"

SWScorch

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Well, I've had enough of this hassle for one evening, although its an ongoing problem with no viewable solution it seems.

My father and I have our computers both hooked up to my 4 port router, along with a few other computers. Four in total, two Windows XP, two Windows 98. The 98 machines can of course see each other perfectly. Many people may hate Win98, but its still my favorite OS. The XP machines have horrible problems with the network and viewing the other computers. They can pretty much all see my old 233 running windows 98, but the two XP machines have a hell of a time seeing each other half the time, and as for my dad's win98 machine, it seems to matter more on the alignment of the planets than anything else.

Anyway, my father has the only printer in the house. Of course, adding a network printer on my 233 was a pieve of cake and worked flawlessly the first time. I still have yet to successfully print to it from either of my winXP computers. It seems to install okay, until I restart and/or try to print, at which point it informs me that it is simply completely unable to even see the printer. The printer, a Lexmark Z31, works from my dad's computer and from my 233, but not from Windows XP. I tried using the latest drivers, but I think that screwed WinXP up even more. Now it says "Unable to find printer on system" when I boot up. Well no sh|t sherlock!

Basically, this is what I'm looking for: why is WinXP so irritable when it comes to networking? Even just refreshing the view in Network Neighborhood seems to take agonizingly long. Not to mention the fact that it's shakier than a drunk greyhound, and I cant even install network printers correctly (which admittedly is probably more of a PEBKAC error, but still, why did they have to change it so damn much?) If anyone can provide some insight as to how to improve our network status and how to install a network printer, I would be momentarily grateful. thanks!
 

zephyrprime

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Do you have logins on your Windows XP machines? You must have logins and you must have passwords for windows 2k/XP networking to work well for security reasons. You may need to add logins to Win98 also.

And all the machines should have all the same logins with passwords.
 

SWScorch

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zephyrprime: yes, I am using logins on all computers. Are you saying the reason I cant see my dad's machine is because his user name password is different from mine? (all my machinesl the two XP computers and my Win98 233 use the same user name/password) That never occured to me. That is utterly ridiculous if that is the case.


bozo1: forgive my ignorance, but how in the blue hell do I do that? I just went into network properties and clicked on "Install" under the little list of installed protocols and whatnot, and none of the choices listed included NetBEUI.

grr @ XP.
 

0roo0roo

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install netbui or netbios as its called in XP. better for home networking then tcpip cuz it doesn't leave your printer/files open to the net. i have the exact opposite problem, i always get xp pc's to see each otehr. only 98/me are nightmares.

just make sure they are on the same workgroup. microsoft network logon etc. then just type //nameofpc in explorer and u should be able to access em. 98 networking is shabbier compared to xp. even file transfers are slower on 98.
 

HeinekinMan

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Like Bozo1 suggested, I use NetBEUI for my LAN behind my router (I have 3 Win2K Pro machines). I've done this since the Win95/Win98 days for security (NetBEUI for printer/file sharing and TCP/IP for internet only).

Once you install NetBEUI (it's a protocol), you should adjust the bindings so that printer/file sharing binds only with NetBEUI and then your Client for MS Networks should be bound to both NetBEUI and TCP/IP.

And then make sure you share your printer.

As zephyrprime suggested, I have logins on all three machines as well...
 

bozo1

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As was mentioned above, you'll have to work out the userid/password issues to be able to access files, etc., from the other machines. As far as the computers being erratic as far as seeing each other, installing Netbeui should fix that. Procedure
 

xbassman

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Hmmm....
I have 5 PC's currently on my network. 4/XP Pro and 1/ME. Actually the only reason the last one has ME is because 98 cannot find the network without tweaking and I was lazy. All XP machines and ME installs find the network instantly.
The only protocal I have installed it TCP/IP. (I don't want to bog down the network with unused protocals)

if I remember right w/XP shared printers there is an option to make a driver floppy for machines not running XP .
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Ionizer86
SP1 also helped with loading network files etc.

yup, xp without full sp1 and all the rest of the updates is a no no!!

then again same is true with 98
 
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