sharkyextreme is so full of it

[borealiss]

from sharkyextreme


<< Intel's largest price moves for the week occur on the Pentium 4 line. Like Kobe Bryant, the Pentium 4 is faking to the left, making a run to the right, and slam-dunking our charts for the fifth week in a row. At $599, the Pentium 4 1.5GHz has become a realistic option for those who crave the latest and greatest (plus it comes with 128MB of RDRAM!). The more cost conscious buyer should take a look at the 1.4GHz variant for a $100+ savings. >>




<< ...complete with a very affordable Thunderbird. Oh, and did we mention those are dropping in price this week as well? It must be your lucky day. >>




<< AMD's high-end Athlon processors slip down the price scale even further, cementing them as great bargains. >>


notice the p4 is for those who crave the latest and greatest, while the thunderbirds are good bargains? this is so pathetic. i know i shouldn't get riled up over something like this, but people who go to hardware sites like sharkyextreme are going to think that shelling out for a p4 is better than an athlon, since athlons are more &quot;bargain&quot; oriented. they even compare the thunderbirds to p3 1ghz pricewise

 

[Wingznut]

&quot;i know i shouldn't get riled up over something like this,...&quot;

You nailed it!

Btw, do you get &quot;riled up&quot; when you read an AMD biased article? Or any other biased review.

Or is it just with Intel stuff? I'm just curious.

 

[Passions]

Didnt u know sharky bend it over for chipzilla? they are bought out, collaborators, proprietors, traitors to the state, lackies, weak!!!!!!

 

[esung]

sharky has been known to be biased toward Intel.. that's why I seldomly visit the site... but again, there's other sites that's biased toward other company as well (AMD is one of them of course)

 

[Pyro]

SE are lowlife sellouts.

I too get very irked when I see sh!t like this, but oh well. What can you do (well, I can shoot em all and let god sort'em out, but I'm lazy )


Pez, to answer your question, I get irked when I read something that's AMD biased, but not as much. Simply because when someone says AMD is the best and intel suck sh!t, they are only slightly exagerating, when someone says Athlons are bargains and P4 are affordable and the latest and greatest, they are simply lying and misleading.

 

[PCResources]

<< Btw, do you get &quot;riled up&quot; when you read an AMD biased article? Or any other biased review. >>



Well usually those &quot;biased&quot; articles are based upon the price/performance ratio, so are they really biased?

Patrick Palm

PC Resources

 

[j@cko]

I've never like Sharky, because the impression I have for them is always the last to post a new product review, slow news site, and now, an Intel Biased... &quot;SIGH&quot;... what a shame..

 

[Wingznut]

I'm sure you know, Patrick... But you can find biased PC articles all over the 'net. In one direction or another. Be it video cards, cpu's, sound cards, speakers, ram, etc.

I don't really see an uproar over other biased articles. I'm just curious if it's an Intel thing, a SE thing, or what.

 

[PCResources]

<< I don't really see an uproar over other biased articles. I'm just curious if it's an Intel thing, a SE thing, or what. >>



Well SE is not a valid source... so that might be the case, but usually the sites that favor Intel do so because they are supported by Intel in one way or the other, while the sites that favor AMD are usually not supported by either Intel or AMD...

Patrick Palm

PC Resources

 

[Pariah]

Haven't there already been threads on this topic? We need an I have nothing better to do than bitch about something sectin on this forum.

 

[steelthorn]

I get upset when people say the athlon is the greatest when I know it's not. Site after site has said that the p4 is truly the king of the cpus right now. I believe it! I wouldn't have an amd running my toilet much less my computer. They break easy, they have many incompatibility problems. The list goes on! I think alot of people who have amd keep bragging about their processor just so other people will buy it to keep it from going obsolete.

P4 rules!
Amd stinks!

 

[PCResources]

<< Haven't there already been threads on this topic? We need an I have nothing better to do than bitch about something sectin on this forum. >>




Oh, so you have something more interesting on your mind do you?? Well, which more interesting and more valuable threads have you started lately?

Patrick Palm

PC Resources

 

[Wingznut]

Get used to it, Pariah. That's what happens on forums, not specifically just this forum. Topics get rehashed into the ground.

How about we start a &quot;which speakers are the best?&quot; thread? Or how about &quot;Which sound card should I get?&quot; thread?

 

[PCResources]

<< They break easy, they have many incompatibility problems. The list goes on! I think alot of people who have amd keep bragging about their processor just so other people will buy it to keep it from going obsolete. >>



Let me make a wild guess here... You work for Dell right?

Sure, the P4 is great, if you like to pay more money for less performance... And as for stability... well, a lot of P4 systems have been recalled lately, wonder why.. How many Athlon systems have been recalled lately because of instability issues?

Obviously you bought into the crap and bought the P4, and now you do not want to feel like you are the fool, that is why you made that statement...

Patrick Palm

PC Resources

 

[borealiss]

<< Btw, do you get &quot;riled up&quot; when you read an AMD biased article? Or any other biased review. >>

generally when a review site such as anandtech puts up a review, and maybe a few of them are what i consider biased, then i don't really mind that much. i know enough to take certain articles with a grain of salt, because most of the sites that are popular, ala hardocp, ars, firingsquad, etc... tend to have objective reviews that considerably outweigh the ones that might be biased, but occasionally that does happen. not much of an issue, but when you get a website like sharkyextreme that just keeps shoveling all this bs, i get kind of upset because the people who actually believe what they're saying are the ones getting screwed from a source they trust. they either learn the through forums like this that they are full of crap, or they learn the hard way. unfortunately, there are some that learn the hard way.

also, i don't really care about the p4 vs. athlon debate much. i consider them on many levels to be equal(price aside), although i would probably give heads up to the athlon because it has more consistent performance, but the p4 could probably kick some booty if the software was just optimized for it, as some benches have shown. what i'm getting upset about is that sharky is not even putting them in equal footing as far as overall performance. the way they twist it, it seems as if the athlon is a bargain chip and the p4 is truly aimed at performance. i mean c'mon, they compare a 1.2 ghz thunderbird to a 1 ghz p3 when the thunderbird really should be compared to the p4. what upsets me especially is when people who actually trust these articles and are not knowledgeable enough to take them with a grain of salt. i mean, the person who's going to read a cpu pricing guide is most likely going to be a person who trusts that site's opinion on the matter, or may be like me to see what load of bs their shoveling this time, which i doubt. when people read this, expecting an objective view on the matter, they get an unrealistic spin on things and it's the end user who suffers.

 

[Wingznut]

But they stated that the Athlon was faster than the P3. They just mentioned the two in the same sentence, because they are similar price.

Look, I'm not saying that SE isn't biased. (To be honest, I haven't read their site enough to care.) But most sites are biased, naive, or just plain irresponsible when reviewing hardware. Especially comparison reviews.

You guys don't get all &quot;riled up&quot; until it's an apparant bias against AMD. And this example is pretty overdramatic.

You guys are bashing SE because they point out what a value AMD cpu's are. Isn't that one of the top things you like about AMD... their price? Do you disagree that they are a value?

 

[borealiss]

Wingznut PEZ

i think you're misunderstanding me. i absolutely agree that they are a value. but notice how they spin the p4 &quot;with 128 mb of rdram!&quot; as the end-all in performance, and the athlon gets reduced to a bargain chip? and no, i don't just get upset when it's an amd chip. that's putting words in my mouth. if i was such an amd zealot, i would be using an amd system right now, but as it stands, my next cpu upgrade is going dual p3's when i can afford it. please don't call us bias when you have no ground to do so. i'm also upset that there are currently too many reviews out bashing the p4 outright without much justfication to do so, but then there are some review sites that do put it in perspective.

 

[Vyle]

I think people are just waiting for SE to be fair. That's not a lot to ask. If a site says that AMD chips offer a superior price/performance ratio than Intel, that's not bias. That is fact. Even an Intel employee would have to admit that. SE always manages to slight AMD.

 

[PCResources]

SE is a sellout site, this is the main point, SE is Intel and only Intel...

AMDZone is only AMD and only AMD, but they are not afraid of stating that...

The problem with SE is that they are not stating that they are pro Intel, if they would name it IntelZone, then i might get it, and if i was looking for unbiased info i probably wouldn't visit it....

SE sold out a long time ago, it was all over the net, with their praise of RAMBUS and how great it was coupled with the I820, they tried to tone the problems down when they occured too...

Patrick Palm

PC Resources

 

[Pariah]

It's one thing to rehash a hard drive thread on a computer forum, it's another thing to rehash a topic that has no purpose, but to bash another site. For a forum that considers itself one of the best, it should be held to higher standards that don't include trashing other sites whether it is warranted or not.

 

[borealiss]

Pariah

some people who come to the forums come for advice, probably the majority of people here, including me. if anybody can offer any insight to the opinions of other websites and their material they publish, i do not see what is wrong with that. if a person does come to the realization that in fact a certain website has a lot of coverage that is biased and not accurate based on what he/she has seen in these forums, it is to that persons advantage to be informed of this. even in these forums our very own anandtech gets critiqued from time to time. that's what this forum is about, trying to provide objective views and help other people, at least imo. if a person thinks i'm being totally anal about this and my opinion doesn't matter for squat, more power to them. so with that being said, should we not even criticize our own anandtech if we think some of the material is questionable? a person can formulate their own opinions about whatever is at hand by looking at both sides of the equation.

 

[Spoooon]

That's funny. It didn't seem like SE was implying the Athlon was a weaker processor. It said it was a good bargain, i.e. a good purchase. The latest and greatest may very well be the PIV, depending on who you ask. I think some people are just overly sensitive on the subject.

 

[Wingznut]

borealiss... I wasn't intending on putting words in your mouth and my apologies if I sounded like it. I'm just curious to what all the big deal is.

Again, I'm certainly not saying that SE is not biased. I'm just saying this seems to be a big deal about nothing. A website being biased surely isn't a new thing. This isn't the first time, nor will it be (anywhere close to) the last.

As for SE stating that the cpu comes with 128mb of RAM... Well, it does.

 

[borealiss]

Wingznut PEZ

i dunno, i guess that every once in a while i gotta say something. maybe this thread will be informative to new users who haven't clued into the biasness of SE, or just to be more aware of it in general and its presence on the web. i'm also avoiding studying for my cs midterm tomorrow, which is my lame excuse.

//edit, awareness of biasness, not SE.

 

[TGCid]

Hey if I get paid what he gets, I would turn traitor too. And I am sure many of us, money runs the world.