sharkyextreme is so full of it

[bozack]

this has been the way it has always been, people that are avid supporters of the underdog always get violent.

SE is no more biased than half of the other sites out there, you just have to learn to manage the crap.

and by reading that quote one does not see the amd solution as a less viable one, just a better bargain, yet not as "cutting edge" as the intel.

 

[XMan]

A thought occurs to me.

If you're rooting for the underdog can you be considered "biased"?

I mean let's be honest. AMD is definitely the underdog to Intel. It's like comparing Ford to Daewoo in terms of market cap, revenue, etc. (I'm exaggerating slightly, don't flame me.) The analogy would be more apt if Daewoos got 80 MPG and could hit 200 miles an hour in first gear.

But if something that is being rooted for is at a disadvantage, a position can't be biased. Taking a position like some people do that Intel is the best because they always have been, is biased, IMO.

 

[Wingznut]

"i'm also avoiding studying for my cs midterm tomorrow"

You have a Counter-Strike midterm tomorrow? Suh-WHEET! What school are you going to, that has a CS 101 class? What's next year's schedule look like... Maybe some UT 101?

 

[bozack]

what happens though when the underdog becomes the market leader? for instance NVIDIA? well niche market leader since they mainly control gaming revinue, ati still holds the title for soho machines.

So what happens to NVIDIA now that they overthrew their arch-nemesis 3dfx? will they now be ridiculed for shoddy support, maybe not immediately but it is bound to happen every empire falls (with the exception of Rolex watch co.)

and yes even though your supporting the "underdog" one can still be biased,

for example you could compare a ford to a daewoo and conclude that in every way the ford is a better vehicle and yet in your conclusion say that the logical choice would be to buy a daewoo simply because it has nothing to do with the juggernaut Ford co.

look at the K62 when the celeron was introduced, a case where die hard amd gaming fans would stand behind their product even when intel had them beat on price/performance/compatibility/ and ease of construction. There was no argument when it came to office apps that the k62 was a better deal but to say it surpassed the celeron in the gaming areana is almost laughable, yet people were scrutinized for bowing down to the mecca known as intel instead of falling inline with the savior amd.

everyone can be and usually is in some way or another biased, to say otherwise is foolish.

I will bew the first to admit that I have more faith in Intel offerings, they are all I have used, they are all my work relies on and they have been proven performers. Amd is a viable competitor but just not for me.

as before SE is just as biased as anyone else out there, look at Toms, and even Anand I am sure you will see a little of it no matter what you read, authors are only human

 

[solarbear]

Well I don't really know if Sharky is biased but what they should have said is that now you can purchase the latest tech at a somewhat sane price.

In one way they are right though. A P4 purchased this year will have a longer life than an Athlon purchased this year so in some ways P4, with current price drops, is becoming good value.

 

[sumdude3]

Hey pc resources,
When you accuse others of being pentium biased ...how about you have a self reflectio and see how amd biased you are.
Personally i know a lot of friends who have had all sorts of problems with AMD's.....less with the pentiums.
Cant generalise to speak for the entire community but as i opine...AMD's suck

 

[Taz4158]

Ouch. The return of Patrick. Apparently the reflection time he took wasn't spent on polishing his people skills.

 

[AmazonRasta]

I don't know guys. This doesn't really seem Intel biased to me. The fact is, if I had that kind of money, I'd buy a Pentium IV over a Thunderbird. That's ONLY if price wasn't a factor.

That's why I kind of agree with the Thunderbird being a bargain chip. The amazing performance of the 1.2GHz Thunderbird for the price $250 (lowest price on Pricewatch) is a great bargain.

Please don't flame me.

 

[Sunner]

The current P4's will hardly have a longer life span than the K7's, considdering Intel will be ditching the current socket format shortly.

And sumdude, if your friends dont know how to setup a computer, which allways includes doing research on what works and what doesnt, they really should buy Compaq's, Dell's or some other brand name stuff, that way they'll have everything taken care of.

 

[Degenerate]

from what i have read, the reperot is preety good. not much bhiased in any where really

 

[Degenerate]

i meant what ekse do you concider the athlons? they say its a bargin and dame right thery are.

 

[fkloster]

<< ...considdering Intel will be ditching the current socket format shortly >>

-Sunner

...don't hold your breath.

 

[Sunner]

Fkloster, please observer the difference between &quot;The current socket format&quot; and &quot;the socket format&quot;

Its been official for a very long time that the future P4's will use a socket with more pins(was that 478 or whatever, my mem aint that good).

I wont hold my breath, since that will probabaly only last a bit more than a minute, but try like 6 months

 

[fkloster]

I will take that bet Sunner. Intel will NOT deliver to the populas a new socket format for the P4 by 12 p.m. August 1st, 2001. How much do you want to bet?

 

[AndrewR]

If people cannot acknowledge that SE is Intel biased, then there really isn't any point in trying to debate them. Like Patrick says, they have been that way for awhile now -- I stopped going there when it became painfully apparent (early last year, I believe it was). Plus, their 300 page review-to-boost-ad-revenue crap is annoying (was, at any rate).


<< AMD's suck >>


Troll.

Taz: WTF? I have not had the highest regard for Patrick's posts in the past (no offense, but I've seen some arrogant posts in the past, Patrick ), but I see nothing here that warrants that bashing (without any comment on the thread to boot). Posting some mildly derogatory comments in response to troll-like posts is hardly offensive -- it's required in some cases. I agree with everything that Patrick has written in this thread, which actually is mildly shocking to me.

 

[fkloster]

Sunner? Where did you go?

 

[KarlHungus]

Yes, SE is Intel biased. Yes, they always have been (or at least since 98). Get over it. I stopped going there a while back (6 months - 1 year?) because their reviews were becoming more and more fluff, and they hadn't implemented a navigation feature on their articles (looks like they have one now), not because of what products they prefer.

As a side note, is a comparison to Kobe a good thing? IMO he's a overrated whiney ball hog. Not to say he isn't a good player, which he is, but until he learns to feed the low post and be a team player he suX0rs in my book.

 

[Rand]

Sharkey has been Intel biased for a looooong time. I'm surprised he'd even mention the T-Birds at all. Look at some of his past articles, their so disgustingly biased and half full of crap that it's sickening.

 

[PCResources]

<< When you accuse others of being pentium biased ...how about you have a self reflectio and see how amd biased you are. >>



How biased am i?

I design motherboard, i sell computers, and if i am pro-something i am pro-Alpha....

It is a bit different when you have the skills to set up a perfectly stable Athlon system, if you are not familiar with computers, i would recommend that you buy a factory built one...

If i hear one more statement about the P being more stable than the Athlons, i will puke... It's just not true, if you have the right components and the right skills, setting up a stable Athlon platform is easy, if you have bad components, no CPU will help you out...

Patrick Palm

PC Resources

 

[Wingznut]

How do you explain that there are many many more posts in this forum, regarding problems with AMD setups... Everyone who posts a problem doesn't know how to set up a PC?

I think that's why people feel that Pentiums are more stable/compatible.

 

[TravisBickle]

Sharkey being biased towards their advertisers seems true enough when you have to go through lots of tiny review pages with no index. if that's not for the advertisers' benefit who the f*** is it for? as a matter of fact I don't SEE any ads, but I sure am tired with Sharky.

 

[KarlHungus]

<< How do you explain that there are many many more posts in this forum, regarding problems with AMD setups... Everyone who posts a problem doesn't know how to set up a PC?

I think that's why people feel that Pentiums are more stable/compatible. >>

IMO, it's merely a matter of statistics. I would guess that most of the people on this board that have bought new systems recently have gone with AMD. As such, most of the problems with those new systems are attributed to AMD. I seem to remember a ton of problems with Intel systems back when everyone was overclocking Celerons.

 

[PCResources]

<< I think that's why people feel that Pentiums are more stable/compatible. >>



One thing to remember when you state something like you did is the reason for instabilities...

If you buy a factory built system with Intel CPU you will get a stable system, just like most companies do... And they will not complain about it because it is stable...

AMD is for the regular computer user (although i use it for servers and hi-end workstattions without problems), the ones that build their own systems and even if they work, they will install this and that, overclock, run lots of software that most companies would not run and they do play with their systems enough...

If you were to do the same with an Intel system, do you not believe that you would get the same issues regarding stability?

A solid AMD system is just as stable as a solid Intel system, there is really no question about it...

Let me set up a crappy system for you with an Intel CPU, and let me see you make it stable, well, both you and i know the solution, crappy parts, crappy comp, good parts, good comp, no matter what CPU you use...

Patrick Palm

PC Resources

 

[PCResources]

Oh, i almost forgot... WingsNut, what do you have to say about all of those factory built computers using the P4 that have been recalled because of instability issues (mostly dell, but also others)? And why on earth was the rock stable PIII 1.13Ghz ever recalled? Did Intel launch an unstable CPU? Which systems with the Athlon have been recalled lately?

Patrick Palm

PC Resources

 

[sumdude3]

Hey Patrick,
Just one question.On what basis you are reasoning that I or for the matter of fact my friends dont know how to install systems.