Sheriff Joe Arpaio puts inmates on bread and water for destroying US flag

[NoStateofMind]

This isn't a universal treatment. This is for prisoners who are behavior problems.

Yeah that didn't answer my question. Would nutrient sufficient shake be ok too?


To your other comment. Just because someone wipes their ass (as I would have done) with a flag doesn't make them less than human. Nor does it account for those there either falsely imprisoned or incarcerated for non-violent "crimes".

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oh Oh is he going to dress them up in pretty pink outfits too and make the squeal like a pig deliverance style?

 

[Oldgamer]

James Ridgeway an author I thought made some good points about Prisons like the one Sheriff Arpaio runs:

Quote: "Serving time in prison is not supposed to be pleasant. Nor, however, is it supposed to include being raped by fellow prisoners or staff, beaten by guards for the slightest provocation, driven mad by long-term solitary confinement, or killed off by medical neglect. These are the fates of thousands of prisoners every year—men, women, and children housed in lockups that give Gitmo and Abu Ghraib a run for their money."

 

[Incorruptible]

The flags should never have been put in there and it's just costing the taxpayers more money but the prisoners have no right to destroy those flags and they should have to compensate for the costs of the flags.

 

[Sonikku]

The hardened criminals that tried marijuana and were given hard time should take a good long look at the flag placed in their cell and feel pride and gratitude rather than anger resentment.

 

[boomerang]

Considering that Arizona has had a high mortality rate (deaths) of Prisoners, due to neglect and abuse, I don't think their "elite" class over there care much about anyone in jail or prison. Even if the majority of inmates there are for non-violent offenses and or got caught up in the system due to the mandatory and maximum sentences, even for first time offenders.

I do think that this Sheriff is really "loony" and very dangerous. He puts these flags in their cells as a way to antagonize them, knowing full well many are probably very depressed, angry and feeling humiliated from all his known abuses (no telling what we don't know in the way of his abuses). Most of them are immigrants too from my understanding. He really hates Mexicans and Blacks, and what ever he can get away with in the way of being abusive (even if it's illegal, or borderline illegal) he will do it.

As long as the people in Arizona allow him to continue he will keep on doing crap like this. I remember reading he would put the prisoners out in tents outside in 110 degree weather and give them very little water. He would force many to wear ladies pink underwear to humiliate them. In my opinion this is not helping anyone and makes things much more dangerous for civilians living in Arizona. Many in these places have serious mental health issues, and this will make them much much worse. If they ever get out, they will be a ball of anger and hate, and whoa to the people who get in their path.

There just might be an ounce of truth or hard fact in your post but I'm having a hard time finding it.

 

[soulcougher73]

I'm fine with this.

 

[rudeguy]

There just might be an ounce of truth or hard fact in your post but I'm having a hard time finding it.

is that guy.....


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......special?

 

[PRAISE__SATAN]

Isn't the whole point of prisons to keep people out of them? What good do these policies do for such a goal? America has the most prisoners per capita so I assume they're being tough on crime. What are the benefits of this? How does America compare to other western countries when it comes to crime?

"In recent months, the Maricopa County jails have broadcast patriotic songs over the public address systems - "The Star Spangled Banner" in the morning and "God Bless America" at night."

What is the point of this? What good does it do? You keep prisoners out of prisons by playing patriotic songs... Makes no sense.

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I see some people turn this on to a liberal vs conservative issue. How in the fuck?! I like reading foreign/global (English speaking) forums and Americans have this tendency to turn any issue into another liberal vs conservative thing. It's amazing. There are other political orientations than "liberal" and "conservative", you know. /rant off

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Isn't the whole point of prisons to keep people out of them? What good do these policies do for such a goal? America has the most prisoners per capita so I assume they're being tough on crime. What are the benefits of this? How does America compare to other western countries when it comes to crime?

There's two different schools of thought on what prisons should be. One side takes the view that prisons should reform so that people do not become repeat offenders and can become contributing members of society. The other side takes the view that when someone has done something worthy of being locked away from society, they deserve to be punished with uncomfortable conditions. As with most things, neither side is 100% right; you aren't going to reform a sociopath, and punishing non-violent offenders isn't likely to convert them into productive members of society. Sheriff Arpaio clearly believes that when someone has done something bad, they need to be punished for it; he doesn't take the long view about reintegration into society. Unfortunately, there's a lot of support for the pure "vengeance" side of prison here in the states, which is why we have such high rates of recidivism.

 

[dainthomas]

Well you see... when one gets convicted of a crime and goes to the slammer... one tends to lose a few rights.

What if you're in jail awaiting trial?

 

[davmat787]

Oh Oh is he going to dress them up in pretty pink outfits too and make the squeal like a pig deliverance style?

Actually his prisoners do wear pink underwear, and old timey prison uniforms with the black and white horizontal bar stripes. The given justification is to aid identification should an escape occur.

 

[Emos]

Actually his prisoners do wear pink underwear, and old timey prison uniforms with the black and white horizontal bar stripes. The given justification is to aid identification should an escape occur.

I would think the orange jumpsuits currently in use serve that purpose. The black and white uniforms just seem to be too "costumey" to be taken seriously.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Power does corrupt and should not be placed in the hands of those that corrupt easily.. Little man on a power trip is Sheriff Joe.

 

[brycejones]

Sheriff Joe is like a crazy uncle. Kind of a sadistic crazy uncle.

 

[Incorruptible]

Sheriff Joe is like a crazy uncle. Kind of a sadistic crazy uncle.

So the prisoners shouldn't be punished for what they did?

 

[brycejones]

So the prisoners shouldn't be punished for what they did?

In this way? Probably not. I agree with your earlier post that the flags were unneeded to begin with. He was probably looking for another way to mess with the prisoners. That's sadistic and a personality trait that probably isn't good for someone who has almost complete authority over other human beings.

Some of the things he does to make jail an uncomfortable place to be are ok like the pink underwear thing. Its stupid but not really a big thing.

 

[NoStateofMind]

So the prisoners shouldn't be punished for what they did?

No. Free speech and all that. And no, that's not granted by a constitution it's an inherent right. These are people no less human than you.

 

[mect]

Yeah that didn't answer my question. Would nutrient sufficient shake be ok too?


To your other comment. Just because someone wipes their ass (as I would have done) with a flag doesn't make them less than human. Nor does it account for those there either falsely imprisoned or incarcerated for non-violent "crimes".

You made a statement about innocents who are convicted. You made this statement again now. I was addressing that statement.

As to your other question, as long as the shake provided sufficient nutritional content and would not cause any health issues, then sure. I used to make these for myself back in college when I didn't have much time. Basically take my dinner, throw it in a blender, drink it down. Regardless, this is a slippery slope fallacy, so what is the point of this? He isn't giving them a shake, so how is that question even relevant.

Look, its very simple. Behave, and you get to eat a normal meal. Misbehave, and you get something that is healthful, but really doesn't taste. If giving prisoners bland tasting food is now considered inhumane treatment, then the state is probably going to come take my kids away. I gave them the choice of eating their dinner or going hungry last night. And they didn't get a cookie because they were fighting. Where did you take the leap that these people are less than human?

And again, I don't see how it is relevant whether someone was falsely imprisoned. Even if you are falsely imprisoned, it is in your best interest to behave. Taking a flag and wiping your ass with it is not considered behaving. What are you? An immature adolescent that scratches "fuck me please" into bathroom stalls? No, it doesn't make them less than human. Yes, it is a behavior problem. This isn't that complicated.

 

[NoStateofMind]

In this way? Probably not. I agree with your earlier post that the flags were unneeded to begin with. He was probably looking for another way to mess with the prisoners. That's sadistic and a personality trait that probably isn't good for someone who has almost complete authority over other human beings.

Some of the things he does to make jail an uncomfortable place to be are ok like the pink underwear thing. Its stupid but not really a big thing.

It's already uncomfortable being a cage and told when to sleep, eat, shower, when you can speak with family etc. Americans certainly revel in sadistic punishments. Sad that.

 

[Emos]

Sheriff Joe is like a crazy uncle. Kind of a sadistic crazy uncle.

I keep thinking of Zimbardo's Stanford prison experiment whenever this guy comes up.

 

[boomerang]

What's the recidivism rate for Mr. Arpaio's jail? That would be some very pertinent information to this discussion.

 

[Moonbeam]

What's the recidivism rate for Mr. Arpaio's jail? That would be some very pertinent information to this discussion.

You are constantly punished for your stupidity here but you keep coming back.

 

[TerryMathews]

You are constantly punished for your stupidity here but you keep coming back.

Pot... Kettle?

 

[bshole]

Behave, and you get to eat a normal meal. Misbehave, and you get something that is healthful, but really doesn't taste

.... and just to fuck with ya, we are going to put these American flags in your room with the hope that you deface them...

On the bright side, this shitstain is an octogenarion and has no more than a few years of life left to him.