Shiites, Kurds, and Sunni Arabs

[JEDI]

Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

 

[sunzt]

Don't worry, civil war will soon start once the US pulls out.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

3 States? That would be interesting... I know the kurds want their own country.

 

[Train]

Its like comparing red sox fans to yankees fans, except they(the Iraqi ethnic groups) are willing to take thier hatred of eachother to a much higher degree.

 

[Proletariat]

Ugh this wouldn't be interesting.

It would insure another unendable war.

*Sigh* if we do this it would be just the same as British Imperialism, but its looking more and more like we are taking that path now in Iraq.

 

[Moonbeam]

I would think it would be easier to steal oil from one state than three.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I would think it would be easier to steal oil from one state than three.

Oh, and the fact you drew the lines the way you did was interesting. You broke it into two religious views on the same text, and then Kurds (Which fall into Sunni Category)

A more fair breakdown would be
a) Sunni and Shi'ite
b) Arab and Kurd

and we don't break apart their country, because its THEIR country.

 

[Witling]

A "fair" breakdown? What an interesting concept! magomago, did you perhaps mean "a more accureate breakdown" or "a more useful breakdown"? I actually wrote a number of years ago that I thought this would have to be resolved by dividing the country up. I still think so, although we'll say that it isn't divided. I find it astonishing that the neo-cons who brought us this mess didn't realize that Muslims perceive an affirmative duty to integrate religion into the country's government. And, as an added bonus, to the extent that we enable independent Kurds, we irritate the living kapok right out of the Turks. A smooth move all around. We'll be talking about this 40 years from now.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I would think it would be easier to steal oil from one state than three.

Oh, and the fact you drew the lines the way you did was interesting. You broke it into two religious views on the same text, and then Kurds (Which fall into Sunni Category)

A more fair breakdown would be
a) Sunni and Shi'ite
b) Arab and Kurd

and we don't break apart their country, because its THEIR country.

Yes we don't because they'll do it themselves.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

Pakistanis are Muslims while Indians are Hindu,Sikh and Buddist. Gee, I wonder why Pakistan is a source of terrorism and India isn't.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

Pakistanis are Muslims while Indians are Hindu,Sikh and Buddist. Gee, I wonder why Pakistan is a source of terrorism and India isn't.

I get it. Because India is a democracy.

 

[yllus]

Shia and Sunni Muslims are spread out all over the world and have no particular 'look' to them. Some of my first cousins are Shia, while my immediate family is Sunni. Same racial heritage.

3 states wouldn't be the worst solution in the world, but a lot of nations in the region would be pretty apprehensive about an independent Kurdish state (the biggest fear being that it would fuel violent demands for their own bordering territory to be joined to it). And the Sunnis would be sort of screwed too, being mostly from the non-oil regions of the country.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

Pakistanis are Muslims while Indians are Hindu,Sikh and Buddist. Gee, I wonder why Pakistan is a source of terrorism and India isn't.

Doesn't India have the highest population of Muslims in the world?

That was one of the stupidest comments I have ever seen.

Edit: My bad, India has about 145 million Muslims while Pakistan has 157 million Muslims. India still has one of the highest populations of Muslims though.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

Pakistanis are Muslims while Indians are Hindu,Sikh and Buddist. Gee, I wonder why Pakistan is a source of terrorism and India isn't.

Doesn't India have the highest population of Muslims in the world?

That was one of the stupidest comments I have ever seen.

Edit: My bad, India has about 145 million Muslims while Pakistan has 157 million Muslims. India still has one of the highest populations of Muslims though.

Indonesia has the highest population of Muslims. Muslims only make up about 10% of India's population.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

Pakistanis are Muslims while Indians are Hindu,Sikh and Buddist. Gee, I wonder why Pakistan is a source of terrorism and India isn't.

Doesn't India have the highest population of Muslims in the world?

That was one of the stupidest comments I have ever seen.

Edit: My bad, India has about 145 million Muslims while Pakistan has 157 million Muslims. India still has one of the highest populations of Muslims though.

Indonesia has the highest population of Muslims. Muslims only make up about 10% of India's population.

Which is still 157 million Indian Muslims...and still discounts what you state earlier

 

[chcarnage]

Kurds are an ethnicity and muslims by the majority. To break down Iraq in three pieces would neither solve the conflict about the oil fields of Kirkuk, nor automatically spawn three democratic states. But it could encourage the Kurds in Syria, Turkey and Iran to fight for more autonomy. Iran could more easily influence the Shiite part.

It's an interesting solution and it would be acceptable in my opinion because Iraq is a relatively young, artificial nation, but splitting Iraq would not at all reduce the necessary effort of the international community and the Iraqi people to go back to a normal state.

And minority problems never dissaper completely with a split, eg in the different republics of former Yugoslavia, there are STILL minorities!

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

Pakistanis are Muslims while Indians are Hindu,Sikh and Buddist. Gee, I wonder why Pakistan is a source of terrorism and India isn't.

I get it. Because India is a democracy.

Its more becuase religion is so closely interlinked with politics.

 

[drewshin]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

Pakistanis are Muslims while Indians are Hindu,Sikh and Buddist. Gee, I wonder why Pakistan is a source of terrorism and India isn't.

I have a feeling that ntdz is the kind of person that would blame guns for being the cause of violence instead of the murderers themselves. He doesn't believe that a person can be evil or bad because of thousands of other factors, but instead decides to focus solely on their religion.

He probably tried to stop his friends from going to a Christian church because he heard that the kids that shot up people at their schools were Christian (probably in name only), and thought what kind of evil religion would convince these kids to do this.

He wouldnt be able to explain why Judaism and Christianity are the second and third largest source of terrorists (Judaism is estimated to have the highest percentage of terrorists per population, mainly because of their small number only about 15 million).

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

Pakistanis are Muslims while Indians are Hindu,Sikh and Buddist. Gee, I wonder why Pakistan is a source of terrorism and India isn't.

Doesn't India have the highest population of Muslims in the world?

That was one of the stupidest comments I have ever seen.

Edit: My bad, India has about 145 million Muslims while Pakistan has 157 million Muslims. India still has one of the highest populations of Muslims though.

Indonesia has the highest population of Muslims. Muslims only make up about 10% of India's population.

Which is still 157 million Indian Muslims...and still discounts what you state earlier

No it doesn't. I didn't say that Indian's aren't Muslim. I just said Indians are those other relgions that I stated above. Islam isn't even in the top 3 religions in India. So what I said is correct; Indians and Pakistanis are very different.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

Pakistanis are Muslims while Indians are Hindu,Sikh and Buddist. Gee, I wonder why Pakistan is a source of terrorism and India isn't.

Doesn't India have the highest population of Muslims in the world?

That was one of the stupidest comments I have ever seen.

Edit: My bad, India has about 145 million Muslims while Pakistan has 157 million Muslims. India still has one of the highest populations of Muslims though.

Indonesia has the highest population of Muslims. Muslims only make up about 10% of India's population.

Which is still 157 million Indian Muslims...and still discounts what you state earlier

No it doesn't. I didn't say that Indian's aren't Muslim. I just said Indians are those other relgions that I stated above. Islam isn't even in the top 3 religions in India. So what I said is correct; Indians and Pakistanis are very different.

You implied that Pakistan is loaded with terrorists because it is filled with Muslims. India has near as many Muslims but you don't see them blowing themselves up everywhere. Or are you saying that Pakistan has terrorists because the majority of the country is Islamic? If that's the case, I could easily point to the fact that there aren't too many terrorists killing people in Turkey.

 

[Red Dawn]

Shiites, Kurds, and Sunni Arabs oh my. Just follow the Yellow Brick Road

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: ntdz
No it doesn't. I didn't say that Indian's aren't Muslim. I just said Indians are those other relgions that I stated above. Islam isn't even in the top 3 religions in India. So what I said is correct; Indians and Pakistanis are very different.

You so sure about that? I would think Islam ins in the top 3


CIA World Fact Book

Religions:

Hindu 80.5%,
Muslim 13.4%,
Christian 2.3%,
Sikh 1.9%,
other 1.8%,
unspecified 0.1% (2001 census)


Lookie at that...number 2

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: drewshin

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

Pakistanis are Muslims while Indians are Hindu,Sikh and Buddist. Gee, I wonder why Pakistan is a source of terrorism and India isn't.

I have a feeling that ntdz is the kind of person that would blame guns for being the cause of violence instead of the murderers themselves. He doesn't believe that a person can be evil or bad because of thousands of other factors, but instead decides to focus solely on their religion.

He probably tried to stop his friends from going to a Christian church because he heard that the kids that shot up people at their schools were Christian (probably in name only), and thought what kind of evil religion would convince these kids to do this.

He wouldnt be able to explain why Judaism and Christianity are the second and third largest source of terrorists (Judaism is estimated to have the highest percentage of terrorists per population, mainly because of their small number only about 15 million).

:thumbsup:

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: sunzt
Don't worry, civil war will soon start once the US pulls out.

Correct.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: JEDI
Or are they like Pakistani and Indians? the only difference is the region where they live?

If that's the case, then why not break Iraq into 3 pieces?

because that would ignite the intire middle east (even more than now).

No of the countries in north of Iraq want Kurds to make their own state as it would cause major instability in their own countries, and they would not like to give away any of their land.

All the oil is in the north (kurds) or south (Shiites) no oil for Sunnis = big problem

A Shiite might be very influenced by Iran, and might decide to get rid of the Sunnis.

probably lots of other reasons too.