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WHAMPOM

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So according to you, let's all just ignore the fact for sake of argument here that ISIS and other Islamic fanatics are murdering hundreds or thousands of people daily around the world just because they don't believe in Islam.

Here is 300 murdered for Islam and Mohammad by ISIS just yesterday, in fact. In one country. And I'm quite sure there were hundreds more killed yesterday by Islamic fanatics in other countries, as well. But by all means, keep on rowing that leaky troll boat.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32565809

Just as long you admit "convert or die" is a practise of nearly all Arabic/Mid East region religions.
 

ivwshane

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Reading through the thread it seems like everyone is on board with what the gunman did was wrong. What's up for debate is whether baiting someone to attack you is okay or not. I think it is kind of an ass hole thing to do and I do not support Geller in smearing a religion with the intent to elicit a response, but clearly the gunmen need to organize their people in a more productive way. They could easily turn the Gellers of the world into bigoted dunces in the eyes of the people by a peaceful protest. Its too bad they would rather use blood and play right into her hand.


Yeah, the gunman, like the US, were suckered into acting irrationally when they should have just turned the event into another westburo church like entity and shamed the shit out of them. Sadly, it appears texas is full of morons on all spectrums of the isle.
 

realibrad

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Just as long you admit "convert or die" is a practise of nearly all Arabic/Mid East region religions.

Not currently for Christians or Jews. There was a time where your statement would have been true, and maybe some day it will be again, but its not currently. You can argue that All of the big religions advocate for "convert or die" in their texts, but its not practiced like it is currently by Islamic terrorists.

What is said by religions is important, but so is how they are practiced. The Bible and Torah advocate awful things just like the Quran, its just that the violence parts are ignored.
 

michal1980

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I think is a fairly accurate assessment. The event was deliberately designed to provoke a reaction. This event was basically equivalent to the KKK holding a contest for who could do the best menstrual show in black face. A violent reaction though is completely unacceptable.

So I comedown on the side of condemning the gunmen and don't lose sleep over them being shot dead. I also condemn the group that organized this event in the first place.

It is hate speech and what these stupid mother fuckers don't understand is that people are easily offended and while they have every right to exercise their free speech they must understand that irrational humans, throughout history, have responded with violence.

And no, I don't think hate speech should be banned but I do enjoy hypocrites like the religious right who preach peace and tolerance but do anything but that.


Muslim extremist want and are hoping for an end of days war and the fucking idiots on the right are more than willing to give it to them. I say let them go to the Middle East and die for their beliefs like the rest of the delusional morons already over there fighting in the name of religion.



Women should wear burqas because otherwise they are just provoking men.

You on the left are reaching new levels of stupidity when it comes to defending Muslim terrorists.
 

ivwshane

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Women should wear burqas because otherwise they are just provoking men.

You on the left are reaching new levels of stupidity when it comes to defending Muslim terrorists.

I never said such things but then again, you are the dumbest poster on P&N so I don't expect you to understand anything anyone posts.
 

thraashman

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How was this event insulting to Muslims?

We're not in the Middle East. We don't have a theocracy for a government. We have no laws against drawing anything. We are not beholden to whatever fucked up rules and regulations they place on their people. What we do is no business of theirs. If they're offended by something we do, they have the right not to look.

You know...kind of how Catholics don't care that other people make fun of the fact that some of their practices could be seen as idolatry by ignorant people. Or how the Mormons actually supported the musical The Book of Morman despite it being a parody.

Or maybe you prefer to allow religious groups to dictate how we think about them...kind of like how Scientology sues anyone who says anything remotely negative about them. Or how Islamists just kill people they don't like.

Yeah, the latter sounds like a totally better way to live.

Fucking apologists. You're almost as bad as the terrorists themselves. Because of you, they've won. We have to tiptoe around them for fear of our lives. All because of you.

Wait, you can't see how this was insulting to Muslims? Seriously? You try to say that because it is in no way illegal that it can't be insulting. If I were to have protested the Catholic church child abuse scandal by having people draw pictures of Jesus abusing little children, would that not be offensive to Christians simply because it wasn't legal? Would you then tell people who thought what I did was offense that they're almost as bad as terrorists? Nothing justifies a violent response, but that doesn't mean it doesn't justify ANY response.
 

michal1980

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I never said such things but then again, you are the dumbest poster on P&N so I don't expect you to understand anything anyone posts.

It is what you are saying.

But as a liberal your ok with complete double standards.
 

brycejones

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Women should wear burqas because otherwise they are just provoking men.

You on the left are reaching new levels of stupidity when it comes to defending Muslim terrorists.

Stop projecting you idiot and please point to any comment in this thread where I defended terrorism of any kind.
 

bshole

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Wait, you can't see how this was insulting to Muslims? Seriously? You try to say that because it is in no way illegal that it can't be insulting. If I were to have protested the Catholic church child abuse scandal by having people draw pictures of Jesus abusing little children, would that not be offensive to Christians simply because it wasn't legal? Would you then tell people who thought what I did was offense that they're almost as bad as terrorists? Nothing justifies a violent response, but that doesn't mean it doesn't justify ANY response.


You know what would be really offensive to Christains? If you created a film that was Biblically accurate!

For instance, if they made a film of God sending two bear sows to kill and eat 42 children because they teased Elisha. Make it two hour epic because it would take about that long for the bears to get around to killing each of the kids.

If a person were to sic a bear on a classroom of kids, that person would be a sociopathic mass murderer, if God does it.... it is some kind of fucked up moral lesson that only stone age man could hope to understand.

Umm where am I going with this.... seem to losing it a bit here....
 

realibrad

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You know what would be really offensive to Christains? If you created a film that was Biblically accurate!

For instance, if they made a film of God sending two bear sows to kill and eat 42 children because they teased Elisha. Make it two hour epic because it would take about that long for the bears to get around to killing each of the kids.

If a person were to sic a bear on a classroom of kids, that person would be a sociopathic mass murderer, if God does it.... it is some kind of fucked up moral lesson that only stone age man could hope to understand.

Umm where am I going with this.... seem to losing it a bit here....

Your point was that man made global warming is real and harmful.
 

nickqt

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You know what would be really offensive to Christains? If you created a film that was Biblically accurate!

For instance, if they made a film of God sending two bear sows to kill and eat 42 children because they teased Elisha. Make it two hour epic because it would take about that long for the bears to get around to killing each of the kids.

If a person were to sic a bear on a classroom of kids, that person would be a sociopathic mass murderer, if God does it.... it is some kind of fucked up moral lesson that only stone age man could hope to understand.

Umm where am I going with this.... seem to losing it a bit here....
That's totally inaccurate!

Bronze age, not stone age.
 

thraashman

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You know what would be really offensive to Christains? If you created a film that was Biblically accurate!

For instance, if they made a film of God sending two bear sows to kill and eat 42 children because they teased Elisha. Make it two hour epic because it would take about that long for the bears to get around to killing each of the kids.

If a person were to sic a bear on a classroom of kids, that person would be a sociopathic mass murderer, if God does it.... it is some kind of fucked up moral lesson that only stone age man could hope to understand.

Umm where am I going with this.... seem to losing it a bit here....

I have pointed out on many occasions that some Christians seem to attribute characteristics to their god that if attributed to a person would make that person a raging asshole and a monster. A god should be held to a higher standard, not lower. So thinking it's ok for your god to be a dick is just idiotic. No god that you fear is worth giving worship to.
 

JockoJohnson

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You know what would be really offensive to Christains? If you created a film that was Biblically accurate!

For instance, if they made a film of God sending two bear sows to kill and eat 42 children because they teased Elisha. Make it two hour epic because it would take about that long for the bears to get around to killing each of the kids.

If a person were to sic a bear on a classroom of kids, that person would be a sociopathic mass murderer, if God does it.... it is some kind of fucked up moral lesson that only stone age man could hope to understand.

Umm where am I going with this.... seem to losing it a bit here....

It might also be offensive to Jews since it was the Old Testament. There was lots of nasty shit done in the name of God and by God in the Old Testament. What might be even more offensive and have Christians unite and start riots is if someone were to put a crucifix in a jar of piss all in the name of art. I could imagine all of the outrage and rioting that would ensue.
 

FerrelGeek

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You never heard of piss-Christ, son? Or carving an image of Mary out of dung? Old news.

I don't think freedom of speech should include direct and blatant denigration of other people including their religion/culture. How would a Christian feel if someone is to denigrate Jesus or burn bibles etc. This types of behavior is almost hate speech. Though indirectly, you are still degrading and putting down an entire class of people. What exactly is the purpose of this type of activity other than to express hatred to an entire class of people? This also goes to all the Christian bashing that's going on in the middle eastern countries. This is unhealthy for a society as a whole.
 

FerrelGeek

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Refusing service for someone who is gay is not the same as refusing service because of speech. Free speech is not the same as being gay.

No kidding. I wasn't referring to refusing service. Reading comprehension fail, son.
 

realibrad

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No kidding. I wasn't referring to refusing service. Reading comprehension fail, son.

You said that the shop owner could not refuse service to someone who is gay and is saying fuck you. The implication is that the person being gay can say fuck you and would still have to be serviced. That is not true. Just because you are part of a protected class, does not mean the shop owner can deny service based on other reasons.

Logic implication fail.
 

OutHouse

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Yeah, the gunman, like the US, were suckered into acting irrationally when they should have just turned the event into another westburo church like entity and shamed the shit out of them. Sadly, it appears texas is full of morons on all spectrums of the isle.

so says the village idiot.
 

bshole

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I have pointed out on many occasions that some Christians seem to attribute characteristics to their god that if attributed to a person would make that person a raging asshole and a monster. A god should be held to a higher standard, not lower. So thinking it's ok for your god to be a dick is just idiotic. No god that you fear is worth giving worship to.

Shit the God of the Bible isn't even held to the same standard as the Balitmore P.D.! LoL!

Let's be honest here, it is a scientific fact that every single religion was written by ordinary men with no direct link to God. If somebody wants to believe them, that is their absolute right.

I will concede that Christians APPEAR to be doing a better job handling derision than certain elements of the Muslim population.

What was the composition of the gathering that was attacked? Did the two Muslim nutters assault a bunch of Christian nutters?
 

JSt0rm

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lmao. Menstrual show. Maybe that will replace the teen pregnancy programs. All the girls line up and show it off to make sure they arent preggo every month.
 
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