shooting at quebec city mosque, 5 reported dead

[MomentsofSanity]

Thanks for that.

Going on speculation it seems less than likely that two Laval students would be white supremacists (although we can't rule anything our or in right now). From what little I recall and what I read it isn't likely to be a hotbed of anti-Muslim hate. But again, I don't really know anything for sure about this tragic crimes cause.

Quebec's right wing extremism would surprise you. Article from just a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/inside-quebec-far-right-alt-right-1.3919964

 

[Grooveriding]

The QPP are supposed to have had a press conference at 9am, still has not happened. I'm assuming they are doing all they can to know as much as possible about these two nuts before they reveal their identities and everyone starts trying to create a narrative about who they are.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Reading reports which are not officially confirmed, at least one of the shooters is Moroccan. Again this is reported, not confirmed officially as far as I know.

 

[UglyCasanova]

News coming out that it's increasingly likely the shooters were Muslim. If true I'm not sure if this changes what I said earlier regarding it being a terrorist attack and a hate crime. Certainly changes a lot in the political sphere though.

The shooters are apparently named Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohammed Khadir.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...remain-in-critical-condition-following-attack

 

[MomentsofSanity]

News coming out that it's increasingly likely the shooters were Muslim. If true I'm not sure if this changes what I said earlier regarding it being a terrorist attack and a hate crime. Certainly changes a lot in the political sphere though.

The shooters are apparently named Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohammed Khadir.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...remain-in-critical-condition-following-attack

Yeah Alexandre Bissonnette isn't really a Muslim name. Obviously the other is. How about we just wait until the police confirm motive on this one just for once and try to avoid the blame game.

 

[Jaskalas]

Wait, it was a cultural team-up? Yes, speculation of their motive seems wildly unclear, especially if one of them turned himself in.

If the reports of identities is correct, I'd like to know which of them is the radical who recruited the other.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Yeah Alexandre Bissonnette isn't really a Muslim name. Obviously the other is. How about we just wait until the police confirm motive on this one just for once and try to avoid the blame game.

You had a post several up regarding right wing extremism in Quebec, and now that it appears they might be Muslim it's wait and see and not play the blame game?

 

[sdifox]

A question for people who actually know.

Reports say that two individuals have been arrested. At what point are identities released? Canadian laws regarding such things are probably different than in the US and I'd hope some restraint on the part of the police without substantial evidence or charges brought, but then what the press can report and when?

I don't know how things are done.

The press can report if there is no ban issued by court. Generally there is a press conference where whatever info the police chooses to release is released. They nay keep some detail hudden due toto active investigation. Later prosecution may request media blackout on the trial itself.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well hells bells it could be a case of atheist secularist state supporters preserving French Canadian culture by attacking Muslims.

Then Martians.

We just don't know anything really.

 

[desura]

This is so weird.

Given how that Bissonette guy called police to turn himself in, he probably was the Klebold in the relationship.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You had a post several up regarding right wing extremism in Quebec, and now that it appears they might be Muslim it's wait and see and not play the blame game?

I provided information that there was a large right wing element in Quebec due to a statement made. It's called information that draws no conclusions. I've made a point this entire thread of not trying to blame any group and wait for information.

 

[Sinsear]

Nearly everyone over at "the site which shall not be named" has him on ignore...liberals and coservatives alike. He's a fucking moron who knows nothing beyond what he reads on the internet, supposedly doesn't work, and probably has never left his mom's basement.

I don't have him on ignore.

 

[Grooveriding]

https://twitter.com/sureteduquebec/status/826114232630571011

The police statement. Media was wrong. One of the identified names is a suspect, the other is a witness. They haven't said which is which.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Police now saying that one of the two detained is a witness, not a suspect. Bissonnette was the one who called police and was detained after threatening to kill himself for what he had done.

 

[OutHouse]

Alexandre Bissonnette has been accused of killing six people and wounding eight others in a “barbaric” massacre Sunday night at a Quebec City mosque, TVA News reports.

The 27-year-old entered the Centre Culturel Islamique de Quebec and opened fire with rifles, shooting members of the mosque as they prayed, police and witnesses say.

He is in police custody and was being questioned Monday morning. He is expected to face murder charges.

A second man, Mohamed el Khadir, was previously identified by authorities as a suspect. He was taken into custody near the mosque and questioned, but Quebec Provincial Police said in a tweet Monday afternoon that he is no longer considered to be a suspect. He is now being called a witness.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/alexa...-gunman-shooter-photos-pictures-video-motive/

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Not blaming this on him but I do find it interesting that Trump was quick to tweet accusations within minutes when he believed Muslims had attacked someone, right or wrong, anywhere in the world. It's now been 15 hours and not a word when the victims are Muslims. Many other leaders around the world have sent condolences.

 

[desura]

Police now saying that one of the two detained is a witness, not a suspect. Bissonnette was the one who called police and was detained after threatening to kill himself for what he had done.

Hmm, I had this suspicion too.

This is a weird one. He doesn't fit the profile of most deranged shooters like Roof or Dear.

 

[zinfamous]

You had a post several up regarding right wing extremism in Quebec, and now that it appears they might be Muslim it's wait and see and not play the blame game?

muslim extremist terrorists aren't right-wing?

news to me!

 

[Grooveriding]

Not blaming this on him but I do find it interesting that Trump was quick to tweet accusations within minutes when he believed Muslims had attacked someone, right or wrong, anywhere in the world. It's now been 15 hours and not a word when the victims are Muslims. Many other leaders around the world have sent condolences.

Hopefully this nut does not have any history of liking Trump. I'd just as soon not have that sort of attention brought to this and have that moron crying about it on Twitter. Let him busy himself with Mexico, China, eating Putin's ass and defecating on his constitution.

 

[norseamd]

News coming out that it's increasingly likely the shooters were Muslim. If true I'm not sure if this changes what I said earlier regarding it being a terrorist attack and a hate crime. Certainly changes a lot in the political sphere though.

The shooters are apparently named Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohammed Khadir.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...remain-in-critical-condition-following-attack

Even if they are Muslim, its still terrorism.

 

[realibrad]

Even if they are Muslim, its still terrorism.

You know, its actually a little funny to say that.

 

[Commodus]

Not surprisingly, Fox News was eager to tweet that the Moroccan-origin man was a suspect, but didn't follow up by noting he'd been ruled out. (The story itself was updated to be clear, thankfully)

This is a textbook example of why Fox News can't be explicitly trusted as a source. It was practically champing at the bit to blame a Muslim for the attack, and you could practically hear their sighs of disappointment when they learned that it was a white Islamophobe.

 

[ElFenix]

Not surprisingly, Fox News was eager to tweet that the Moroccan-origin man was a suspect, but didn't follow up by noting he'd been ruled out. (The story itself was updated to be clear, thankfully)

This is a textbook example of why Fox News can't be explicitly trusted as a source. It was practically champing at the bit to blame a Muslim for the attack, and you could practically hear their sighs of disappointment when they learned that it was a white Islamophobe.

i'm liking the post solely because you used champing at the bit rather than chomping.

 

[Imp]

News appears to be confirming the Alexandre dude is the shooter.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec-city-mosque-shooting/article33822092/

Checked half an hour ago and some stories were still waiting to confirm between the two original suspects.

 

[Blackjack200]

Not surprisingly, Fox News was eager to tweet that the Moroccan-origin man was a suspect, but didn't follow up by noting he'd been ruled out. (The story itself was updated to be clear, thankfully)

This is a textbook example of why Fox News can't be explicitly trusted as a source. It was practically champing at the bit to blame a Muslim for the attack, and you could practically hear their sighs of disappointment when they learned that it was a white Islamophobe.

And how vile is that?

Here's a CBC columnist criticizing "detached observers" for hoping that the shooter would turn out alternatively to be white or brown depending on what narrative they wanted to satisfy.

The columnist fails to peel back the onion and examine the motives for those hopes. On my side, I was indeed hoping it would turn out to be a white person, but only because white people are the only group that stands no chance experiencing discrimination as a result of a crime like this. If the shooter was Muslim we could reasonably expect more discrimination against Muslims, more harmful immigration policies, etc.

And what purposes does the opposing narrative serve?