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davmat787

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I am a firm believer that self preservation is the best motivation. If Republicans still think that having lots of pissed off people with easy access to guns is a great idea, then I doubt us liberals pontificating on gun control will change their minds.

While I am not a Republican taking your comment related to easy access to guns to it's logical conclusion you are (perhaps?) referring to a change in gun laws that resulted in citizens not having easy access to guns, that being legal private ownership.

I'm a firm proponent of the 2nd amendment but at the same time getting really sick of firearms, which are really tools albeit deadly as that's a main purpose, being misused by the sick to perpetrate public shootings.

But I have yet to read a single solution that if enacted before hand would have 100% prevented the shooting and allow lawful citizens to continue enjoying their 2nd amendment rights that inevitably results in gun control discussions and proposals which is depressing.

Lawful owners will always be able to say that it's not their fault, so why should they give up a revered constitutional right? And they're right.

So I think we're stuck with the status quo and it will take societal changes and not a massive change in gun control to affect the status quo in regards to these shootings.
 
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jackstar7

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Jun 26, 2009
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Looks like I misunderstood you.

Wait, so you need examples of someone from the right doing something violent and then people on the right blaming the left for it?

I wish I could sleep like you do.
 

senseamp

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Feb 5, 2006
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While I am not a Republican taking your comment related to easy access to guns to it's logical conclusion you are (perhaps?) referring to a change in gun laws that resulted in citizens not having easy access to guns, that being legal private ownership.

I'm a firm proponent of the 2nd amendment but at the same time getting really sick of firearms, which are really tools albeit deadly as that's a main purpose, being misused by the sick to perpetrate public shootings.

But I have yet to read a single solution that if enacted before hand would have 100% prevented the shooting and allow lawful citizens to continue enjoying their 2nd amendment rights that inevitably results in gun control discussions and proposals which is depressing.

Lawful owners will always be able to say that it's not their fault, so why should they give up a revered constitutional right? And they're right.

So I think we're stuck with the status quo and it will take societal changes and not a massive change in gun control to affect the status quo in regards to these shootings.

OK. But Republicans are now busy passing laws to make it easier to carry guns across state lines and buy silencers for them. One would think that after getting shot by an out of state guy, they might not want to make it easier for others to do it silently. But we'll see.
 

agent00f

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I find it very disagreeable. I refuse to adopt the language of violence, one of the things that Repub propagandists have used to crazify their base for decades.

Why shouldn't complete pieces of shit looking to cut poor people healthcare to give that money to the upper crust get some just desserts? Even conservatives would agree that's what Jesus would do.

Over the line.

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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Keep in mind that Hillary won the popular vote so maybe what you "fixed" doesn't really work as well as you might think.

I can't stand Trump in the least but some of the lefties in here have proven that they aren't nearly as averse to violence as they've claimed. Apparently it merely depends on who the violence is against.
I think the fact that either one of the candidates raked in that many votes proves my point.
 
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buckshot24

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Nov 3, 2009
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OK. But Republicans are now busy passing laws to make it easier to carry guns across state lines and buy silencers for them. One would think that after getting shot by an out of state guy, they might not want to make it easier for others to do it silently. But we'll see.
For this case it seams democrats lying about republicans could have had more of a positive effect. Why wouldn't somebody a little off want to kill people who want children to die and who want the planet to end?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Do you have an actual refutation of this or did you think trolling bluster was enough?

you're a dishonest fuckwit with no interest in engaging any evidence presented before you. No reasonable person will take you seriously.

You understand that, right? Long ago you shed the right to respect when it comes to reasonable discussion. At this point, all you deserve is ridicule. Don't bitch and cry about it, because you invited it.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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While I am not a Republican taking your comment related to easy access to guns to it's logical conclusion you are (perhaps?) referring to a change in gun laws that resulted in citizens not having easy access to guns, that being legal private ownership.

I'm a firm proponent of the 2nd amendment but at the same time getting really sick of firearms, which are really tools albeit deadly as that's a main purpose, being misused by the sick to perpetrate public shootings.

But I have yet to read a single solution that if enacted before hand would have 100% prevented the shooting and allow lawful citizens to continue enjoying their 2nd amendment rights that inevitably results in gun control discussions and proposals which is depressing.

Lawful owners will always be able to say that it's not their fault, so why should they give up a revered constitutional right? And they're right.

So I think we're stuck with the status quo and it will take societal changes and not a massive change in gun control to affect the status quo in regards to these shootings.

Agreed. "It's a clusterfuck" is the only way I can see it, with no reasonable--or at least, easy--way out. lol. Freedom.
 
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wow, buckshat comes storming back with the same old buckshattery. weakly attempts to get posters involved in his specious, circular arguments and will slink away shortly. how's that #winning working for you shatty?
 

highland145

Lifer
Oct 12, 2009
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I was joking but it is the kind of shit they do 'report'.
Sounds like a rumor I might spread.
Is that the Alex Jones guy? That is one effed up individual. The Sandy hook story alone is enough to keep me from ever listening to him.
 

xthetenth

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Oct 14, 2014
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Nahh. As linked earlier Alex Jones is straight up to the point of "cult leader grooming his followers to violence".

How about the Warsaw uprising or the French resistance during WWII? What about the violent labor movement that helped give rise to the American middle class and period of greatest wealth equality? Is political violence NEVER justified?

Political violence is a deeply dangerous tool, to be used in extremis. By the point you're standing up to actual literal Nazis you'd better believe that counts as self-defense, where the violence is a lot less of a problem than the status quo. The violence in the labor movement was against a violent and destructive status quo. Pinkertons weren't exactly shy with their bullets, and there's a reason why it's called the Battle of Blair Mountain. Starting a tide of political violence is nearly never justified unless the status quo is deeply illegitimate and implicitly or explicitly violent in a big way (ie, results in deaths and suffering). One of the biggest downsides of it is that institutional stability and faith in the apparatus of state in a democracy probably won't survive. If those don't exist, it's not as likely to be axiomatically a bad decision, and the situation is likely a whole lot worse to begin with, so there might be sufficient cause for it.
 
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