Shots fired at GOP Congressional baseball practice

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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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It's super weird how MLK became popular once he got killed and white people got to recast him as justifiably aggrieved

He is honored and remembered for his "I have a dream" speech, as it captures what America should be.
There are too few who honor that legacy today, including anyone who thinks it "belongs" to any one race.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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Those who would spend their time here not condemning violence speaks volumes.

It's even more important to condemn charismatic leaders who preach violence. They create an atmosphere in which it can flourish. Repubs have done it for decades, just more subtly than Trump.

Does anybody think that the Bundy militia voted for anybody but Trump?
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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Yet folks on both ends of the political spectrum can't come together and decry all violence regardless of the target.

Sure they can, and have. Just because the change in tone on the right is decades too late doesn't mean it isn't welcome. Did someone tell you otherwise? Link?

If you're going to piss and moan about people having the nerve to remember recent history I'm not sure what to tell you. That end of spectrum has accomplished some amazing feats of hypocrisy and flip flopping lately, and has shown itself perfectly willing to lie, cheat and steal if it makes political hay. It is entirely appropriate to not believe the alt-right/tea party at face value based on their recent track record. YMMV.

Instead they spend all their time trying to prove the other side is more violent (wrong, stupid, misguided, racist, sexist, homophobic, fiscally irresponsible, morally corrupt, etc.) than the other side to win points.

Then you haven't been paying attention to the poster you are replying to. Right-wing extremism's dominance in violent crime isn't in debate, you're just ranting because the numbers involved in my link irritate you. Frankly I don't care, I'd much rather you recognize this has nothing to do with a competition of numbers and everything to do with a certain crowd waking up to the true pain of a mass shooting. The 'it's about time, welcome to the party' selection, if you would. You think this is all my time? What is the other side to a moderate centrist anyway?

Like the actions of a few wack-jobs on either side represent everyone of that political belief.

Need some twine for that straw?

You guys are so intent on the battle you don't even know what you are fighting for.

Speaking in plural granted, seems to me you're so intent on criticism you don't know what/who you are criticizing. I know you're trying for the 'patriotic bi-partisan arbiter' here, but its coming across more like the 'ranting reactionary who skipped some of the thread' bit. My input in this thread in no way fully encapsulates my thoughts on the current war between reason and dogma. Please don't make yourself look like an ass by trying to dispute that, I'm relatively sure you don't deserve it.
 
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kage69

Lifer
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Yup. He'll vote for tax cuts for billionaires if they have to wheel him in on a gurney.

I wouldn't be so sure.

It's certainly possible he could go back to 'business as usual' when he's back on his feet.

In my experience, people who have a brush with death end up being awesome people, if they weren't already. In this case specifically, it might be enhanced by FICO(*). I saw that blood trail. He had some time to think about things. People usually change after going down that path.

(*)Fuck I Caught One!
 
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xthetenth

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He is honored and remembered for his "I have a dream" speech, as it captures what America should be.
There are too few who honor that legacy today, including anyone who thinks it "belongs" to any one race.

It belongs to everyone, but there's a lot of people who've renounced any claim by living their lives contrary to its message.
 

Paladin3

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Everyone thinks their dogma is reason. Going to war over it and shooting people is wrong, regardless of how ugly those folks are or how much they've used angry, violent rhetoric. That's all.
 

kage69

Lifer
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Here is a conservative site favorably reviewing a production of Julius Caeser in 2012, featuring an African American in the title role, who the author admits is likely to be understood as a stand-in for Obama. But praises it nonetheless:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/shakesblog/obamas-ides-of-march/

Wow, good find.

Just one more issue the republicans are despicable hypocrites over I guess.

I never in my life thought I'd see a day where a group of grown ass men would wail about a president saluting with a coffee in hand or not having a flag pinned on his lapel, but then go on to give 0fucks about clear obstruction of justice and deeply suspicious connections to the Russians. After savoring just how rank that makes them smell, I feel like my sense of smell is becoming desensitized.
 
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woolfe9998

Lifer
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Wow, good find.

Just one more issue the republicans are despicable hypocrites over I guess.

I never in my life thought I'd see a day where a group of grown ass men would wail about a president saluting with a coffee in hand or not having a flag pinned on his lapel, but then go on to give 0fucks about clear obstruction of justice and deeply suspicious connections to the Russians. After savoring just how rank that makes them smell, I feel like my sense of smell is becoming desensitized.

About this time in Obama's presidency, several months in, Hannity was going on about how when Obama ordered a burger, he wanted "spicy brown mustard" with it instead of the usual yellow mustard that "average people" eat. Apparently this made him an elitist.

Remember - Spicy brown mustard=bad. Firing the FBI director for investigating you=fine.
 

Younigue

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I know a lot of simple folk who like to spice up their food. Trump eats ketchup with his well done steak, more power to him.
 

kage69

Lifer
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Everyone thinks their dogma is reason.

Disagree. Empirical facts still matter to a lot of us.

Going to war over it and shooting people is wrong, regardless of how ugly those folks are or how much they've used angry, violent rhetoric. That's all.

I agree insofar we are talking about our own countrymen (I assume you are American). And while I certainly don't believe in shooting people because they are ugly or mouthy, I am a big believer in the utility of force. The world can be a shitty place, and we're lucky to have such a relatively clean, relatively safe, relatively large chunk of it. It and the people inside it are worth defending.
 

kage69

Lifer
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I know a lot of simple folk who like to spice up their food. Trump eats ketchup with his well done steak, more power to him.

I know it's the height of trivial criticisms, he's an adult and can eat whatever the hell he wants, but this has always really bothered me. I can't help it.

A boy that big shouldn't eat so lean! C'mon Donnie, enough with the NY strips with red corn syrup - send Christie out for a couple more buckets of KFC, heavy on the gravy. You know want to.

You know how this party is going to pan out too. Might as well stick that baby carrot in the mashed potatoes.
 
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buckshot24

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About this time in Obama's presidency, several months in, Hannity was going on about how when Obama ordered a burger, he wanted "spicy brown mustard" with it instead of the usual yellow mustard that "average people" eat. Apparently this made him an elitist.

Remember - Spicy brown mustard=bad. Firing the FBI director for investigating you=fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAvq12Sa3VE

I wouldn't consider this "going on" about it.
 

buckshot24

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Wow, good find.

Just one more issue the republicans are despicable hypocrites over I guess.

I never in my life thought I'd see a day where a group of grown ass men would wail about a president saluting with a coffee in hand or not having a flag pinned on his lapel, but then go on to give 0fucks about clear obstruction of justice and deeply suspicious connections to the Russians. After savoring just how rank that makes them smell, I feel like my sense of smell is becoming desensitized.
What you need to do is find what this person thinks of the current production and call him out for hypocrisy IF he is blasting it. Saying that "republicans" are hypocrites based on some dude's review of a different play is a stretch.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Well, you'll should absolutely LOVE Oscar. You see, his minimalist life style and turning trash into a home speaks volumes about his "Eco-friendly" lifestyle. This should appeal to you all lefests. So in fact, the jokes on you.

The "jokes on you part" doesn't make any kind of sense, but I actually like the rest of your comment.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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That's because we actually paid attention. We know for a goddamn fact that the right literally will not stop threatening and engaging in violence at an utterly disproportionate rate. They have no right whatsoever to go crying about both sides. Unless we drag some actual genuine repentance out of them, they'll just go right on back to ignoring what their guys do or justifying it to themselves. People who need to tell themselves they're oh so above it like the ending of a particularly imbecilic South Park episode are just enabling them to justify themselves.

Think about that when you're trying to tell yourself that your disengagement from reality and your willful ignorance is actually the virtue of being unbiased. All you're doing by claiming that both sides are the same is just giving the worse side a free pass. It's a good thing that your trendy disengagement gives you the basis to know that isn't justifying something truly awful, isn't it?

It's like my analogy in the other thread, or maybe it was this thread, that you can look at a balance:


With the balance representing the entirety of the political left and right, on whatever issue you are discussing, with the weight of each side's contribution on it's respective side of the balance. Yes "both sides do it," but when it comes to condoning violence, lies, abject ignorance and thievery of the public good, you're going to be placing a 1kg mass on the side of the political right, and a 5g mass on the side representing the political left. I am only reflecting reality, here. Conservatives can calm their vapors and rest assured that "both sides do it," but while the rest of us can laugh at their ignorance regarding the absolute value of this statement, one might hope that reality will awaken some of them to the complete dishonesty of their prideful ignorance. But hey--this is why their GOP strives to keep them poorly educated, and they continue to vote for it.
 
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xthetenth

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Yeah, I'm going to point out that when someone on the left does something, the right's all over it, using it as a cudgel to try and get the left to stop complaining about what the right has done and is doing. The left just wants the right to stop.
 
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Ackmed

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Oct 1, 2003
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Self-inflicted? The insanity continues unabated....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHCxuuaTWq8

"It's time to ask whether the attack on the United States Congress, yesterday, was foreseeable, predictable and, to some degree, self-inflicted." - Scott Pelley (CBS)

There’s a whole country out there and a lot of people, at least in my Twitter timeline, and it’s a delicate thing, because everybody is wishing the congressman well and hoping that he recovers, but Steve Scalise has a history that we’ve all been forced to sort of ignore on race ... He also co-sponsored a bill to amend the Constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman. He co-sponsored the House health care bill which, as you said, would gut health care for millions of people including 3 million children and he co-sponsored a bill to repeal the ban on semiautomatic weapons. Because he is in jeopardy and everybody is pulling for him, are we required in a moral sense to put that aside in the moment?
-MSNBC host Reid

Fighting for his life, and getting attacked. All too often, people think violence is warranted like this, that the person deserves it. Pretty pathetic, but not too uncommon sadly. People here have said other people deserved to die because they voted Trump before too.
 

agent00f

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Buckshot helpfully demonstrates what conservatism is about, same as chucky the race realist or roflmouth the muslim genocide fan representing the faith. I'm sure the other conservatives agree or else they would've said something about it by now.

Those who would spend their time here not condemning violence speaks volumes.

I think it's completely poetic when someone drops banana peels on the sidewalk for people to slip on and then slips on one themselves. Same as for people who argue that the 2nd amendment is for watering the tree of liberty and then someone agrees and takes that advice with them. Worst are those who then try to pretend the peel droppers are Real victims; they really are the most despicable human beings.
 
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