Should 8 y/o boy be allowed to wear a dress, use a female name, and use female restrooms at school?

[Darwin333]

Uhh, elementary school is still 1st-6th right? So like what, age 5/6-11/12? That top end is easily around puberty for plenty of people. Hell, I knew people in 6th grade that had sex. I also know that my BIL knew he was gay in elementary school.

I thought that elementary school usually ended at around 9 and then off to middle school. I mean maybe some kids at 9 might have a reckoning but I would think it would be rather rare.

 

[JM Aggie08]

This thread has been a real treat to skim through, as expected.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I thought that elementary school usually ended at around 9 and then off to middle school. I mean maybe some kids at 9 might have a reckoning but I would think it would be rather rare.

Where I grew up (Dallas, Tx) it was 1st -> 6th, middle 7th -> 8th, HS 9th - 12th. You start grade school at like 5-6 yrs old (maybe that's when kindergarten starts? that'd push it another year forward), which gets you to 11-13yrs old, depending on birthdays and kindergarten.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

He has a point. It isn't until puberty that your pecker really starts pointing towards the people you are attracted to. I can't imagine that a kid in elementary school would know that he was gay.

Let's put this in a way everyone here can hopefully suddenly come to a logical sense instead of linking stupid YouTube videos as evidence that this is what you should do.... Yes, because personal individual YouTube videos is way more suffice than medical and scientific evidences over the course of multiple participants

Do you support having people marry 8-year olds like they do in Islamic countries? No? Then why would you support someone potentially fucking up the rest of their life with something they could potentially utterly regret in 10 years?

Same goes for marrying an 8-year old, they might be happy and think it's fun at the time, perhaps not so much in 10 years. The purpose of not allowing this is for the protection of the child for a decision that should never be able to be made at an immature age with a developing brain and developing hormones

 

[Darwin333]

Let's put this in a way everyone here can hopefully suddenly come to a logical sense instead of linking stupid YouTube videos as evidence that this is what you should do.... Yes, because personal individual YouTube videos is way more suffice than medical and scientific evidences over the course of multiple participants

Do you support having people marry 8-year olds like they do in Islamic countries? No? Then why would you support someone potentially fucking up the rest of their life with something they could potentially utterly regret in 10 years?

Same goes for marrying an 8-year old, they might be happy and think it's fun at the time, perhaps not so much in 10 years. The purpose of not allowing this is for the protection of the child for a decision that should never be able to be made at an immature age with a developing brain and developing hormones

Not sure why you directed this post at me. I haven't really posted an opinion one way or the other concerning the OP and I damn sure haven't posted any youtube videos.

 

[OverVolt]

Some boys go through a phase like that and basically no one has the spine to tell an 8 year old "NO."

Its always happened, it just never made the news.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Not sure why you directed this post at me. I haven't really posted an opinion one way or the other concerning the OP and I damn sure haven't posted any youtube videos.

Quoted you because you were one of the few that actually had an ounce of sanity

 

[JujuFish]

Okay - so I don't know about you - but I have a pretty good recollection of my youth in elementary school days. How often did you feel sexually aroused by any gender, or any topic of conversation? None? Oh yeah, because it's literally impossible to feel something that you do not yet understand.

You had no idea whether you were interested in boys or girls when you were in elementary school? I really feel like you're the exception rather than the rule here.

 

[mikeymikec]

Quoted you because you were one of the few that actually had an ounce of sanity

Maybe someone should buy you one of those nodding head dog toys so you can challenge it with your views and then feel that your opinions have been validated.

Don't worry, nodding head dog has never had a feeling they didn't understand. That would just be crazy, wouldn't it?

 

[Craig234]

Let's put this in a way everyone here can hopefully suddenly come to a logical sense instead of linking stupid YouTube videos as evidence that this is what you should do.... Yes, because personal individual YouTube videos is way more suffice than medical and scientific evidences over the course of multiple participants

Do you support having people marry 8-year olds like they do in Islamic countries? No? Then why would you support someone potentially fucking up the rest of their life with something they could potentially utterly regret in 10 years?

Same goes for marrying an 8-year old, they might be happy and think it's fun at the time, perhaps not so much in 10 years. The purpose of not allowing this is for the protection of the child for a decision that should never be able to be made at an immature age with a developing brain and developing hormones

More ignorance. You advise ignoring the science of human sexuality because you want to deny other people the right to do what's good for them in order to satisfy your analogy to marrying at 8 years old. Hint: It's an invalid analogy.

And your moronic attack on youtbube videos simply for being youtube videos. Sorry, I'll refer you to books and DVD's you can buy, because you're more likely to do that than click a link.

Your inability to evaluate the quality of the video leads you to the moronic comments.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

More ignorance. You advise ignoring the science of human sexuality because you want to deny other people the right to do what's good for them in order to satisfy your analogy to marrying at 8 years old. Hint: It's an invalid analogy.

And your moronic attack on youtbube videos simply for being youtube videos. Sorry, I'll refer you to books and DVD's you can buy, because you're more likely to do that than click a link.

Your inability to evaluate the quality of the video leads you to the moronic comments.

Science? Your definition of science is obviously YouTube videos you dum dum. Try linking... actual science.... That's a good start ya think? I find it hilarious you babble on about it being scientifically proven, yet all you can do is link YouTube videos of moronic families that embraced the shit out of it with their kids.

(Hint: There is none that proves anything you have said - other than proving your ignorance).

 

[nakedfrog]

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/how-science-helps-us-understand-gender-identity/

 

[Craig234]

Been a while since I added someone to ignore. One more added.

 

[Svnla]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...y-without-consent-zieselman-column/539853001/

 

[ElFenix]

Moved from OT

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[pauldun170]

Some 7 year old boys are taught by their parents that a man died and then came back to life after a couple of days in a cave and that they should thank him for dinner.
Some 7 year old boys are taught by their parents that football is important and he will enjoy football and that they need him to really be enthusiastic when certain teams win.
Some 7 year old boys are taught that its very important that they really should be whoever they want to be and that its ok to play with pink stuff if they really want to play with them so mommy is going to buy lots of girls things for them so she can post on social media that her children do not adhere to social gender norms.


Parent: "Hi. Is this the principals office? I need to pick up my daughter early from school."
Administration: "Ok. Whats her name"
Parent: "Her name? Well its Vikki Smith"
Administration:"We don't have a girl name Vikki Smith"
Parent:"Oh...I mean John Smith. Her name is John Smith"
Administration:"We don't have a girl registered here under John Smith"
Parent:"Oh. Look under boys"
Administration:"You said daughter...."
Parent: "You are not being respectful of our choices and you are being difficult. As a parent I am horrified that you would be so discriminatory. You lack of sincerity is offensive to me."
Administration: "...........Please hold. I'm going to connect you with the asst Principal".


Some 7 years old are taught to do their homework, be nice to people and make friends. Preferably with kids whose parent mommy and daddy likes.
Generally, if parents follow the same rules. Where both of them are friendly with people in the community and involved with their community, shit like this doesn't get to the point of lawsuits.

 

[J.Wilkins]

"knew" a gay kid in elementary school? See this is shit that is just getting unacceptable. No one knew shit about their sexuality when they were in elementary school. Or middle school - hell, even high school - which is when you are finally actually START hitting puberty that STARTS the initial process of identifying those things. You're talking about the years in which a child doesn't even know what sexual organ he has - let alone which one is attractive to him. You're totally fucking insane if you're telling me that is something you can identify at a young age.

This is what is wrong with anyone that encourages this bullshit behavior - We just end up with a society of confused and misguided individuals popping pills 24/7 in the name of "Oh I did something right and supported my child based on his decision!"

I knew since I was about 8 years old that I was straight.

Did you suck a little dick in your early years and that's why you are getting defensive?

 

[Atreus21]

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/transg...vate-school-emotional-distress-174528440.html

Yikes. Tough situation.


The father was my undergrad dorm roommate btw.

No.

 

[Atreus21]

...but they should decide on these life altering actions WHEN THEY'RE AN ADULT.

Why?

 

[Darwin333]

Quoted you because you were one of the few that actually had an ounce of sanity

Fair enough.

While I do agree with most of what you said, I have a hard time saying that simply dressing your kid a different way at 8 will lead to lifelong impairments. More importantly, I don't like the .gov getting involved in how we raise our kids any more than absolutely necessary so I'd still be on the fence about forcing the parents one way or the other.

 

[Jaskalas]

Anyway; this is worth a read.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

"Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure"​

Yikes, I imagine google would censor that website if they knew what it said.

 

[TeeJay1952]

I am unable to care about everything equally and must triage problems. This is bottom 5% of caring. I am so busy worrying about feeding everyone and clean air and water that elimination preference don't register.

 

[brycejones]

People fighting against freedom. Cool cool cool.

Ironically enough its the same asshats who go on and on about how the ebil liburls won't let them live their life.

 

[J.Wilkins]

"Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure"​

Yikes, I imagine google would censor that website if they knew what it said.

Why? It's a very well known fact but did you know that it's not genetic... AT ALL? Women with XY CAIS are genetically male but they would have a female brain because of the hormones.

People have gotten stuck on this bullshit that genetics somehow affects your brain in behavioural senses when it's not true in the least, sociobiology has been a dead science in every nation but the US and Saudi Arabia since the 1980's but it's still going strong in those two nations and for the exact same reason. It's an excuse that religious fundies use to justify their abhorrent beliefs.

I hate Google for other reasons but you are acting like they have something against reality which they sure as hell do not.

 

[hal2kilo]

You had no idea whether you were interested in boys or girls when you were in elementary school? I really feel like you're the exception rather than the rule here.

Started with square dancing in the 4th grade. Dancing with a girl was kinda fun for some reason.