Should 8 y/o boy be allowed to wear a dress, use a female name, and use female restrooms at school?

[Viper GTS]

"knew" a gay kid in elementary school? See this is shit that is just getting unacceptable. No one knew shit about their sexuality when they were in elementary school. Or middle school - hell, even high school - which is when you are finally actually START hitting puberty that STARTS the initial process of identifying those things. You're talking about the years in which a child doesn't even know what sexual organ he has - let alone which one is attractive to him. You're totally fucking insane if you're telling me that is something you can identify at a young age.

This is what is wrong with anyone that encourages this bullshit behavior - We just end up with a society of confused and misguided individuals popping pills 24/7 in the name of "Oh I did something right and supported my child based on his decision!"

It is simply asinine to suggest that signs of orientation are not clearly evident in elementary school. While it may not be fully formed/fully understood I think most kids have a very clear idea of what gender they are attracted to from a very young age (whether or not they feel they can act on it due to societal expectations). And no, that does not have to be binary. If you didn't then you clearly had an unusual childhood.

On topic, my general feeling is leave people alone to be whatever the fuck they want to be. While I will be the first to say the spectrum of sexuality is not overly beneficial to the species and thus probably a biological deviation of some form... Who fucking cares. Let people do what they want, it's not a moral issue,the species isn't going extinct because a few people don't like the way they were born or the gender that would make more babies. However - Society is not fully equipped to deal with this yet so if you are one of those people or are a parent to one of those people sometimes you should take the path of least resistance. If you don't want your kid to be forced to dress like a boy maybe you shouldn't put them in a school that requires uniforms. Pick your battles, change is happening but you probably aren't special enough to be the catalyst. It's going to take some time for gender neutral bathrooms to be widespread you can't turn a century of architecture on it's head overnight. Give society a break on some of this stuff and it will adapt.

We are in the middle of a massive cultural swing and it is not going to be easy for some to adjust. Militant views on both sides of this are not helping matters,and will not expedite acceptance. It IS coming though. This is the civil rights issue of our time so expect it to go about like the last one.

Viper GTS

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Seriously, is there something in the water that is making people "feel" like they are the opposite sex?
Is the actual definition of a man or woman changing? Is that biologically possible?

If I had to make a theory, I would guess his sister was getting more attention so he wanted to reverse it and be the attention whore than his parents focus on more.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

It is simply asinine to suggest that signs of orientation are not clearly evident in elementary school. While it may not be fully formed/fully understood I think most kids have a very clear idea of what gender they are attracted to from a very young age (whether or not they feel they can act on it due to societal expectations). And no, that does not have to be binary. If you didn't then you clearly had an unusual childhood

Okay - so I don't know about you - but I have a pretty good recollection of my youth in elementary school days. How often did you feel sexually aroused by any gender, or any topic of conversation? None? Oh yeah, because it's literally impossible to feel something that you do not yet understand. You don't even have the hormones that would allow for such a thing to declare. There are no "signs", what you're referring to is just mistaken for attention whoring. It's okay for you to stand up and say "I don't know what my child is feeling or doing" when it comes to a topic. You don't need to take them to a psychologist or declare that they are a female in a male body - it's simply the process of growing up.

At the end of the day - like most of you guys I REALLY don't give a shit. You are going to make their life a complete living hell, as they are already seeking "counseling" and at some point you're going to shove some drugs in them that literally don't belong. They will forever live in a depressed state of mind. But whatever tickles your fancy, I hold no regard to human lives - especially ones stupid enough to do shit like this to an 8-year old. I just wish we could find a way to ensure the parents of things like this don't reproduce further to prevent idiocracy in the making.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Okay - so I don't know about you - but I have a pretty good recollection of my youth in elementary school days. How often did you feel sexually aroused by any gender, or any topic of conversation? *snip*

Pretty much daily from 4th grade onwards. Intermittently before that. Don't assume that your late-blooming asexuality is normal.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Anyway; this is worth a read.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

 

[pcgeek11]

I will agree there is something amiss with their brain... What exactly nobody knows.

 

[who?]

This is about gender identity not sexual orientation. Being a girl isn't about being attracted to other people.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I will agree there is something amiss with their brain... What exactly nobody knows.

The available data supports the viewpoint that they are literally a woman's brain stuck in a man's body (or visa versa.)

Even with an incomplete understanding of what's going on, we also know quite a few things that it's not.

 

[mikeymikec]

In cases like this, you fucking know the parents are shoving it down the kid's throats and actively encouraging it.

It's interesting that you apparently think these two are the same thing. Two of my nephews (12 nieces/nephews in total off the top of my head) from two completely different parents (two countries, one family are active church goers, the other is not, the parents of each family have never been in contact with each other) have wanted to do things that most adults would class as distinctively feminine: One nephew has grown his hair to shoulder length, likes painting his nails, and sometimes dresses in 'female' clothing, another has a propensity for dressing up in 'female' clothing on a regular basis (the nail thing too I think). I know the parents well enough that they didn't give the kids the idea of doing any of this; I think it started with the kid seeing the mum with painted nails and wanted to try it. Both parents let the kids lead in this particular respect and seem to be of the opinion that the kids will either grow out of it or they won't. If the kid wants a hand doing their nails or something similar, the parents help. The only issue that I potentially would have with it as a parent is that the kid with long hair refuses to actually take care of the hair in the way that long hair needs to be, so it ends up a greasy tangled mess. Neither kid is spoilt or has their parents wrapped around their fingers, and I don't think I've ever heard the parents even mention transgender stuff. Both kids are pre puberty.

Are these parents "actively encouraging it"? Is "actively encouraging it" also an absence of the opposite reaction?

IMO parents should make sure their kids are polite, do as they're told (as much as that is ever possible in a civilised society), respect others and their property, and should be given room to figure shit out on their own. IMO it's just as fucked up to tell a boy that he can't want things that are 'girly' things (e.g. certain toys, or painting his nails) as it is to say that he has to act a certain way because he's a boy.

Hope it turns out real well in 20 years when their kid commits suicide from being so confused over themselves thanks to stupid mommy and daddy.

This is a fucked-up thing for you to hope for.

Okay - so I don't know about you - but I have a pretty good recollection of my youth in elementary school days. How often did you feel sexually aroused by any gender, or any topic of conversation? None? Oh yeah, because it's literally impossible to feel something that you do not yet understand.

"It's impossible to feel something that you don't yet understand"

?!?!

I guess that's why there aren't any freaking psychologists!

Honestly, please stop making assertions until you've developed even the vaguest clue what you're talking about. Kids spend large portions of their time experiencing feelings that they don't understand. Christ, haven't you ever wondered what a kid's emotional meltdown is about? Why do you think puberty is such emotional turmoil for most kids? If a very small kid knew how to correctly diagnose feelings of hunger or tiredness and act in an appopriate manner to fix the problem, parenting would be a million times easier than it is, let alone every other fucking feeling that they have to learn to understand and manage.

 

[Mai72]

I think they should transfer him to one of the "thug" schools here in Philly and let him wear his dress and make up.
I'm sure the black kids would welcome him with open arms.

Seriously, is there something in the water that is making people "feel" like they are the opposite sex?
Is the actual definition of a man or woman changing? Is that biologically possible?

People are just more likely to come out now.

 

[pcgeek11]

The available data supports the viewpoint that they are literally a woman's brain stuck in a man's body (or visa versa.)

Even with an incomplete understanding of what's going on, we also know quite a few things that it's not.

No, It does not according to the article you linked says quite differently ( see below, I quoted the part I am referencing ):

“Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn.

 

[shortylickens]

No, It does not according to the article you linked says quite differently ( see below, I quoted the part I am referencing ):

“Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn.

Assuming thats true, we're gonna need tranny bathrooms in addition to wang and cooter bathrooms.

 

[Craig234]

So much ignorance here. If you think an 8 year old doesn't realize their gender identity educate yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAHCqnux2fk

 

[amdhunter]

It's time to cut the bullshit and stop calling people male and female and start with X/Y and X/X.

You can't change that. Sick of this bullshit that there are more than 2 genders.

 

[Craig234]

It's time to cut the bullshit and stop calling people male and female and start with X/Y and X/X.

You can't change that. Sick of this bullshit that there are more than 2 genders.

Sick of the ignorance you show.

People like you cause harm to innocent people.

 

[Exterous]

This school wouldn't even let teachers prevent others from harassing this child.

How do you know that? Because they said so? Teacher's can't prevent every aspect of harassment although that is what many parents expect, not to mention the significant difficulties associated with much of the 'he said, she said' stories kids tell. The schools response leads me to lean more towards the parents being an issue as opposed to the school

“We strive to meet the needs and well-being of all children in our schools and have been able to accommodate the needs of other transgender students in older grades at Nobel Learning Community schools without incident.

“We were mindful in this instance of the need to support not just this 7-year-old [now 8], but other young children. We believed it was extremely important to respond, not hastily, but with deliberate care, to decide when and how to inform and educate our entire elementary school community of students, staff and parents about the mid-year change of gender identity expression of a young child. Due to the sensitivity of the issue and age of the child, we believed we needed expert guidance regarding timing (such as, preparing children for a change they would see in spring semester of second grade and fall semester of third grade), process and age-appropriate communication.

“We told the family we had decided to retain an outside consultant to assist us, and we were communicating with the family on a consistent basis to discuss potential experts and specific accommodations (in addition to the other accommodations we had already offered, such as use of the single-unit staff bathroom, specific options as to girl’s uniform clothing and girl’s hairstyle, as well as ceasing to use gender groupings in physical education activities). Unfortunately, these accommodations were rejected and the parents withdrew their child.”

 

[amdhunter]

Sick of the ignorance you show.

People like you cause harm to innocent people.

I'm usually more Liberal when it comes to things like this. But when you have people changing their genders on a daily basis, or marking the wrong gender on medical forms - there's a problem with that.

There are men who identify as lesbian these days - how is this possible? It's one thing to be gay - and it's OK, I have no issue with that - but being gay does NOT make you the opposite gender.

 

[jackstar7]

The real psychological problem on display in this thread is people locked to binary thinking.

Complexity is not an enemy; it is reality.

 

[Craig234]

I'm usually more Liberal when it comes to things like this. But when you have people changing their genders on a daily basis, or marking the wrong gender on medical forms - there's a problem with that.

There are men who identify as lesbian these days - how is this possible? It's one thing to be gay - and it's OK, I have no issue with that - but being gay does NOT make you the opposite gender.

Now THAT is absolutely correct. Sexual preference is which gender(s) you are attracted to. Sexual identity is the gender you are mentally. They have nothing to do with each other. There are straight and gay non-transgender, and straight and gay transgender people.

 

[TeeJay1952]

If bathrooms are stalls instead of halls , no one sees balls!

 

[repoman0]

Okay - so I don't know about you - but I have a pretty good recollection of my youth in elementary school days. How often did you feel sexually aroused by any gender, or any topic of conversation? None?

WTF? Speak for yourself. I have a very good recollection of my youth in elementary school as well and I remember the name of the first girl I was "interested in" in fourth grade. By fifth grade many of us were talking about girls.

Some of you guys are way too judgmental based on your own (lack of?) experience and get way too invested in the decisions of others that don't affect you in any way whatsoever.

 

[purbeast0]

I remember "knowing" that my very close cousin was gay since I was about 4-5 years old which would put him at 5-6 years old, when he used to play with dolls and brush my little pony tail's all day. My older brother also knew that and all of our cousins assumed it. He was always just very feminine and into girl stuff.

I went to his wedding last year and he married his husband up Provincetown which if people don't know, is like gay town USA.

So yeah, I disagree with people saying you can't tell which way people are going to go from a young age.

 

[futurefields]

I wish we had todays technology

 

[interchange]

Saying that all transgender and homosexual identities have the same origin is as dumb as saying people are only one biologically determined gender. Everyone's development is different, shaped by our genetics and environment, and some are readily apparently different far before having an abstract concept of gender or sex or in fact any abstract concept whatsoever. And other people are conflicted and uncertain they identify readily with any group throughout their entire lives.

It is not considered a mental illness unless it causes significant distress and dysfunction, and even then the disorder is not the gender or sexual identification itself but rather the instability in identity which causes the dysphoria. Many other identity disturbances are similar and have nothing to do with gender or sexual identity.

As far as what society should do, well I don't believe that people should have any special accommodation or interrent protection legally, but morally I think it's wrong to discriminate, tease, or dictate values and identifications. Instead, we ought to make reasonable accommodations to treat trans people like they are: people. Basis respect for another as a person is all the guidance you need. And you should not be conflicted by disliking someone asking for treatment that is special beyond reasonable.

 

[nakedfrog]

Bunch of stupid assholes in this thread (not that I expected any different).