Should a white supremacist child-murderer be worthy of the death penalty?

[MomentsofSanity]

Personally I'd rather just end my life than spend 20 years in prison all to be told "my bad, yo".

It's a silly and stupid argument. The question isn't if an innocent person should be put to death.

Yeah who should care if innocent people are convicted and executed. What a stupid thing to be concerned with.

Here's an idea. Eat a bag of dicks.

 

[rommelrommel]

How about a compromise, no enforced death penalty but access to assisted suicide for anyone in prison?

 

[Jhhnn]

Progressives are happy to punch a Nazi but when coming across actual murdering racists like Dylan Roof (shot up a black church) or Timothy McVeigh, then they get all misty eyed about how they deserve to live and how "that's a worse fate than death" for them.

Thankfully we fought WW2 when progressives were better men, else they'd have let Hitler just have Europe.

I don't get all misty eyed. While state sanctioned homicide is emotionally satisfying to some, it's also an expensive waste of tax payer money. Other than vengeance, we can serve the interests of the People with incarceration for life. We don't need to kill.

 

[zinfamous]

Personally I'd rather just end my life than spend 20 years in prison all to be told "my bad, yo".

It's a silly and stupid argument. The question isn't if an innocent person should be put to death.

personally, maybe you should read accounts of death row inmates rather than "what you have deigned that they should think," being as how you are so experienced in living their lives, right?

it's not that I don't get what you're saying there--obviously it sounds miserable--but universally, death row inmates absolutely prefer life in prison with no chance for parole to the death penalty. If you've never had a death sentence hanging over your head--literally knowing the date that you have been given to die, when and where and how it will happen, you simply can't comment on that. You can't. Don't pretend otherwise.

That's not me making a sympathetic argument for real nasty criminals or otherwise, it's one based on actual curiosity for this topic, unlike most bloodthirsty conservatives and people that simply don't engage in issues like this because their first thought is always right. ...and whatever it takes to dehumanize and cause the most misery first, is the right way to go.

and back to the lack of concern for state-sanctioned murder of an innocent person: seriously, what-the-ever fuck is wrong with you? That's a serious question, too. No one can be that seriously broken from a moral perspective. It's monstrous, really. Just TRY to think about that for a second. Challenge your fucking convictions, man. Do it for once. There's not a god damn thing wrong with questioning things you've always thought. Hell, all you have to do is engage the smallest bit of interest when it comes to investigations and the burden of evidence that has put generations of people on death row with false confessions, false witness testimony, absolutely GARBAGE standards for evidence "fibers" "burn patterns" "bullet marking patterns" a lot of the fingerprint work....I mean, the standards for forensics are about as accurate as dowsing rods, and this has put people to death for YEARS. many, many, many innocent people are known to have been wrongly convicted.

This isn't a fucking goddamn mystery. ...and I'm still curious: Do you honestly support the notion of railroading innocent people into a false conviction because "the cop needed to close the case to save the face of the department/because the city "needed to heal."" and sending them to death, knowing full well that the standards for doing so have observably and UNQUESTIONABLY been used to seek the conviction and murder of countless, countless more innocent black people compared to whites that are ever convicted of their actual crimes? These are goddamn facts, and there is literally no way around it without admitting to a profound, socially dangerous form of sociopathy, my friend.

 

[umbrella39]

How about a compromise, no enforced death penalty but access to assisted suicide for anyone in prison?

I feel this should be any option for anyone. Not just those in jail...

 

[dank69]

I'm more in favor of being sure we don't execute the innocent than kill the guilty, so in general I'm against capital punishment. I also feel that the way it is used in the United States makes it not a deterrent, so again, a strike against it. And the Libertarian in me isn't crazy about the government having the right to take citizen's lives.

But, then again, it is hard to shed a tear for some of these people, when I read the things they've done I can't help but not care if they're forcibly kicked out of existence. It is a tough one for me to decide on, but I think I'm more against it than for it.


PS: Bernie Sanders and some of the kooks here think this guy should be able to vote. Democrats, the party of protecting convicted terrorists and child murderer's voting rights.

I also support your right to vote, even though a person stupid enough to vote for Trump is a danger to society.

 

[alien42]

i believe the death penalty should be abolished, let this psycho rot in prison.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I also support your right to vote, even though a person stupid enough to vote for Trump is a danger to society.

I'm a lawful citizen, there is no reason for me not to vote. Disagreeing with my views (and half the country, the half that won) is not a reason for me to not be able to vote. But, rights are taken away when one is incarcerated, and the right to vote isn't the only one. But , Bernie wants convicted toddler rapists to have a voice.

 

[K1052]

The state should not have the power to execute it's people.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm a lawful citizen.

There is literally no evidence of this.

 

[BoomerD]

i believe the death penalty should be abolished, let this psycho rot in prison.

Why should the taxpayers be on the hook to house, feed, protect, and provide medical care for this piece of shit when a couple of .40 rounds applied properly is faster and cheaper?

Kill them, kill them all...and STOP worrying about whether some asshole who terrorized and murdered a family feels a bit of discomfort when he's executed.

 

[K1052]

Why should the taxpayers be on the hook to house, feed, protect, and provide medical care for this piece of shit when a couple of .40 rounds applied properly is faster and cheaper?

Kill them, kill them all...and STOP worrying about whether some asshole who terrorized and murdered a family feels a bit of discomfort when he's executed.

What about the innocent people the government kills? Just tough luck?

 

[brycejones]

Why should the taxpayers be on the hook to house, feed, protect, and provide medical care for this piece of shit when a couple of .40 rounds applied properly is faster and cheaper?

Kill them, kill them all...and STOP worrying about whether some asshole who terrorized and murdered a family feels a bit of discomfort when he's executed.

It costs more to execute him.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

What about the innocent people the government kills? Just tough luck?

You guys that are doing this are all about the whataboutism.

The Boston Marathon Bomber is an open and shut case.

If there is any sort of debate on the case - which at the time of penalty I think there should be a thorough audit - that is completely up for discussion topic.

The point being, all of you that keep arguing "WHAT IF THEYRE INNOCENT!"??!?!" are basically arguing "well, if we can prove they are 100% guilty then I'm fine with it"

The reality is that you are all just partisan bickering - simply because right-leaning folks are for it you ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY MUST ARGUE AGAINST IT AT ALL COSTS

 

[K1052]

You guys that are doing this are all about the whataboutism.

The Boston Marathon Bomber is an open and shut case.

If there is any sort of debate on the case - which at the time of penalty I think there should be a thorough audit - that is completely up for discussion topic.

The point being, all of you that keep arguing "WHAT IF THEYRE INNOCENT!"??!?!" are basically arguing "well, if we can prove they are 100% guilty then I'm fine with it"

If you're going to vest the state with this power what is an acceptable rate of error? What is the objective standard for determination when to use capital punishment? What happens if an innocent person is executed and evidence later exonerates them?

Just because the questions are uncomfortable doesn't mean they shouldn't be asked.

 

[Indus]

I'm a lawful citizen, there is no reason for me not to vote. Disagreeing with my views (and half the country, the half that won) is not a reason for me to not be able to vote. But, rights are taken away when one is incarcerated, and the right to vote isn't the only one. But , Bernie wants convicted toddler rapists to have a voice.

And you and your Trump dick sucking pals don't want convicts who have served their sentence to get voting rights back.

You're insane. People have paid their dues to society, they should be able to vote without delay.

 

[alien42]

Why should the taxpayers be on the hook to house, feed, protect, and provide medical care for this piece of shit when a couple of .40 rounds applied properly is faster and cheaper?

abolishing the death penalty would actually save taxpayers money. if you really want to save money, further prison and legal system reform is the answer, not the lives of a couple thousand people who are more likely to die of natural causes before being executed.

"Many people assume that the state saves money by employing the death penalty since an executed person no longer requires confinement, health care, and related expenses. But in the modern application of capital punishment, that assumption has been proven wrong.

The death penalty is far more expensive than a system utilizing life-without-parole sentences as an alternative punishment. Some of the reasons for the high cost of the death penalty are the longer trials and appeals required when a person’s life is on the line, the need for more lawyers and experts on both sides of the case, and the relative rarity of executions. Most cases in which the death penalty is sought do not end up with the death penalty being imposed. And once a death sentence is imposed, the most likely outcome of the case is that the conviction or death sentence will be overturned in the courts. Most defendants who are sentenced to death essentially end up spending life in prison, but at a highly inflated cost because the death penalty was involved in the process."

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/costs

not to mention that 4% of inmates on death row are innocent.

 

[soulcougher73]

It costs more to execute him.

But it doesn't need to.

 

[UNCjigga]

Solitary for 100 years is better than death penalty.

And, FWIW, cheaper on the state (not that that should decide anything.) I may be wrong, but I’m under the impression some people still believe that capital punishment is less of a “burden” on taxpayers than life imprisonment. And those people are wrong.

 

[IronWing]

The point being, all of you that keep arguing "WHAT IF THEYRE INNOCENT!"??!?!" are basically arguing "well, if we can prove they are 100% guilty then I'm fine with it"

I'm not arguing that at all. I don't want the state to have the power to execute people.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If you're going to vest the state with this power what is an acceptable rate of error? What is the objective standard for determination when to use capital punishment? What happens if an innocent person is executed and evidence later exonerates them?

Just because the questions are uncomfortable doesn't mean they shouldn't be asked.

So just so I understand and to make my point absolutely clear - You are fine with capital punishment if it fits the crime (e.g. cereal rapist/murderer of underage children, etc..) - and that it has been clearly proven. Confessed. 100% No question. No argument from the murderer. Correct?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The point being, all of you that keep arguing "WHAT IF THEYRE INNOCENT!"??!?!" are basically arguing "well, if we can prove they are 100% guilty then I'm fine with it"

The reality is that you are all just partisan bickering - simply because right-leaning folks are for it you ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY MUST ARGUE AGAINST IT AT ALL COSTS

I'm against it because the numbers show that the state can't be trusted to get it right. I'm going to link from a post about the same discussion 6 years ago on here.

Absolutely. When I posted that I did some checking. Found a CNN article saying there were 9722 death sentences from 1970-2009. There were 137 exonerated during the same time so about one in 70. When it comes to the death sentence I'd hate to meet anyone comfortable with those stats.

1 in 70 was determined to be innocent. Who knows how many more who weren't exonerated should have been. I'm not ok with the risk that many innocent people could be put to death by the state.

 

[K1052]

So just so I understand and to make my point absolutely clear - You are fine with capital punishment if it fits the crime (e.g. cereal rapist/murderer of underage children, etc..) - and that it has been clearly proven. Correct?

No, I've already stated my opposition to the state murdering its citizens.

I'm interested in the logic that supporters use to justify their favor given all the practical and ethical problems inherent in utilizing capital punishment.

 

[K1052]

1 in 70 was determined to be innocent. Who knows how many more who weren't exonerated should have been. I'm not ok with the risk that many innocent people could be put to death by the state.

As risk goes would people be comfortable using a product that has such an error rate given the consequences? I doubt it.

 

[SlowSpyder]

And you and your Trump dick sucking pals don't want convicts who have served their sentence to get voting rights back.

You're insane. People have paid their dues to society, they should be able to vote without delay.

Voting form prison is not the same as voting after one serves a sentence and pays their debt to society. Bernie wants them to vote from prison. Rapists' voices matter, ya know.