Should cable intenet companies be required to disclose the actual speeds they are delivering?

[seemingly random]

And, the apologists have come hither.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.

With that reasoning I could by a Hyundai that advertises "up to 100 miles per gallon" since it does get a hundred miles per gallon if it's going all down hill.
Wait, there's a law that specifies how mpg is rated and advertised.

All your analogies fail when the technology and contracts hit the road. Want the bandwidth and guarantee, then pay for it.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.

With that reasoning I could by a Hyundai that advertises "up to 100 miles per gallon" since it does get a hundred miles per gallon if it's going all down hill.
Wait, there's a law that specifies how mpg is rated and advertised.

All your analogies fail when the technology and contracts hit the road. Want the bandwidth and guarantee, then pay for it.

I never said I want that. I want an HONEST answer to the question of how much speed I will get if I buy their product.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: techs
I thought we lived in a democracy. All "we the people" have to do is elect representitives who pass a law demanding it.
...

Originally said by: George Carlin
Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here? like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: "The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope."

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
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Originally said by: George Carlin
Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here? like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: "The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope."

At the risk of "hating america", I wholeheartedly agree. People don't want to hear this. It confuses them. When people get confused, most tune out.

 

[roid450]

The speed I get is what the cable company advertises for my plan, 200Kbp/s downlaod. 30kbp/s up, sucks ass but its 20$ a month for 40$ a month u get 1500 Kbp/s down and like 500 up

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: roid450
The speed I get is what the cable company advertises for my plan, 200Kbp/s downlaod. 30kbp/s up, sucks ass but its 20$ a month for 40$ a month u get 1500 Kbp/s down and like 500 up

At 200kbps, you might as well look at dial-up...

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: seemingly random
At the risk of "hating america", I wholeheartedly agree. People don't want to hear this. It confuses them. When people get confused, most tune out.

And it goes against the "Everyone's special and wonderful and unique" mindset that's so pervasive now.


Ouch, my precious self-esteem!

 

[jersiq]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.

With that reasoning I could by a Hyundai that advertises "up to 100 miles per gallon" since it does get a hundred miles per gallon if it's going all down hill.
Wait, there's a law that specifies how mpg is rated and advertised.

Except for the fact that the store actually does have items for sale at 50% off.
The car manufacturer would have to have a vehicle that can go 100 mi/gal before stating that.

Relating to the ISP's if the node can serve 10mbps, then it can go up to 10mbps.
Edit: sorry misread what you said.
However, is there a strech of land that is 100 miles downhill?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: jersiq

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.

With that reasoning I could by a Hyundai that advertises "up to 100 miles per gallon" since it does get a hundred miles per gallon if it's going all down hill.
Wait, there's a law that specifies how mpg is rated and advertised.

Except for the fact that the store actually does have items for sale at 50% off.
The car manufacturer would have to have a vehicle that can go 100 mi/gal before stating that.

Relating to the ISP's if the node can serve 10mbps, then it can go up to 10mbps.
Edit: sorry misread what you said.
However, is there a strech of land that is 100 miles downhill?

Probably not. But you wouldn't need to actually go 100 miles. You would be getting 100 mpg if you only went 10 miles on a tenth of a tank of gas.

Here's a better question. If a node has 50 Mb of bandwidth and 10,000 subscribers why not advertise as 50 mb internet? There needs to be SOME qualification other than the full speed of a node.

 

[her209]

Unlimited*

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.

Is it false advertisement if the maximum discount off an item is 45%?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.

Is it false advertisement if the maximum discount off an item is 45%?

Yes, in most areas of the country its illegal.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Jeff7
...

Originally said by: George Carlin
Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here? like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: "The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope."

At the risk of "hating america", I wholeheartedly agree. People don't want to hear this. It confuses them. When people get confused, most tune out.

i believe in a political system that celebrates and endorses dishonesty and corruption in politics.

^_^

 

[techs]

With 63 votes the results are in.
ATOT'er voted 84 percent that cable internet service providers should be required to disclose the actual speeds they are delivering?

 

[sdifox]

There is no way they can guarantee anything. They can't guarantee you don't have a few 24/7 BTer on your segment. Assuming it's a 50Mbps segment, they are saying you can get 10Mbps if there is less than 6 people on and going full throttle.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: roid450
The speed I get is what the cable company advertises for my plan, 200Kbp/s downlaod. 30kbp/s up, sucks ass but its 20$ a month for 40$ a month u get 1500 Kbp/s down and like 500 up

At 200kbps, you might as well look at dial-up...

ya, cuz 53Kbps is totally the same as 200Kbps...



id be good if they could guarantee a daily average of 70% their "up to" claims. i do agree they should have a bit more accountability in their advertised claims.

 

[Fayd]

a slightly more realistic thing might be to limit how much distributors can oversell their bandwidth. (or more accurately, require a certain bandwidth for a certain # customers.)

but that's not enforcable, simply for the fact noone but the distributor knows how much they've oversold.

 

[Baked]

Distance affects actual speed. So does your friend who downloads 200GB *nix distro 24/7.

 

[TwiceOver]

What percentage of the day do you actually use 10mb of bandwidth? Maybe 3%? I guess if you are a torrent freak, maybe 25%? And you want the ISP to guarantee that 90% of the time?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Too many uncontrollable variables that can affect the rate/speed.

Big whoop, advertise it as the minimum acceptable service level that you know you can provide then.

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Too many uncontrollable variables that can affect the rate/speed.

Big whoop, advertise it as the minimum acceptable service level that you know you can provide then.

Then it would hurt your sales.

Or you could just go with your top speed you can provide and go with that.

Hey if it's good enough for the car business where they advertise your top mpg then why not for the internet speed also?

 

[cpmer]

Its kind of funny how if you read the comments you get the impression that ATOT is against this yet the poll tells a different story. I think this kind of situation is common through out ATOT especially in P&N.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: cpmer
Its kind of funny how if you read the comments you get the impression that ATOT is against this yet the poll tells a different story. I think this kind of situation is common through out ATOT especially in P&N.

There is plenty of people voting, but only a few bothered to discuss. Kind of reverse of reality, lots of people talking but no one voting.

 

[cpmer]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Want the bandwidth and guarantee, then pay for it.

Please stop spewing your garbage in here. HSD service has the highest profit margins of any service that cable companies offer. They make plenty of money, this is only another way to suck more money out of the consumers pockets and at the same time a way to prevent their customers from using stuff like hulu and netflix. You also make it sound like companies like twc are doing charity work just for providing broadband internet. Those poor companies, when will they get the money they really deserve. Sorry but I feel no sympathy for them, I sat in the meetings listening to the higher ups brag about their huge profit margins.