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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.
With that reasoning I could by a Hyundai that advertises "up to 100 miles per gallon" since it does get a hundred miles per gallon if it's going all down hill.
Wait, there's a law that specifies how mpg is rated and advertised.
I never said I want that. I want an HONEST answer to the question of how much speed I will get if I buy their product.Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.
With that reasoning I could by a Hyundai that advertises "up to 100 miles per gallon" since it does get a hundred miles per gallon if it's going all down hill.
Wait, there's a law that specifies how mpg is rated and advertised.
All your analogies fail when the technology and contracts hit the road. Want the bandwidth and guarantee, then pay for it.
Originally posted by: techs
I thought we lived in a democracy. All "we the people" have to do is elect representitives who pass a law demanding it.
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Originally said by: George Carlin
Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here? like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: "The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope."
At the risk of "hating america", I wholeheartedly agree. People don't want to hear this. It confuses them. When people get confused, most tune out.Originally posted by: Jeff7
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Originally said by: George Carlin
Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here? like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: "The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope."
Originally posted by: roid450
The speed I get is what the cable company advertises for my plan, 200Kbp/s downlaod. 30kbp/s up, sucks ass but its 20$ a month for 40$ a month u get 1500 Kbp/s down and like 500 up
And it goes against the "Everyone's special and wonderful and unique" mindset that's so pervasive now.Originally posted by: seemingly random
At the risk of "hating america", I wholeheartedly agree. People don't want to hear this. It confuses them. When people get confused, most tune out.
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.
With that reasoning I could by a Hyundai that advertises "up to 100 miles per gallon" since it does get a hundred miles per gallon if it's going all down hill.
Wait, there's a law that specifies how mpg is rated and advertised.
Probably not. But you wouldn't need to actually go 100 miles. You would be getting 100 mpg if you only went 10 miles on a tenth of a tank of gas.Originally posted by: jersiq
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.
With that reasoning I could by a Hyundai that advertises "up to 100 miles per gallon" since it does get a hundred miles per gallon if it's going all down hill.
Wait, there's a law that specifies how mpg is rated and advertised.
Except for the fact that the store actually does have items for sale at 50% off.
The car manufacturer would have to have a vehicle that can go 100 mi/gal before stating that.
Relating to the ISP's if the node can serve 10mbps, then it can go up to 10mbps.
Edit: sorry misread what you said.
However, is there a strech of land that is 100 miles downhill?
Is it false advertisement if the maximum discount off an item is 45%?Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.
Yes, in most areas of the country its illegal.Originally posted by: her209
Is it false advertisement if the maximum discount off an item is 45%?Originally posted by: KLin
ISP's aren't the only ones to use the up to clause. Just look at B&M's doing sales. "SAVE UP TO 50% ALL WEEKEND LONG!". But that's only for a fraction of their products they're selling. It's no different with ISPs and they're not committing fraud.
Originally posted by: seemingly random
At the risk of "hating america", I wholeheartedly agree. People don't want to hear this. It confuses them. When people get confused, most tune out.Originally posted by: Jeff7
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Originally said by: George Carlin
Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here? like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: "The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope."
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: roid450
The speed I get is what the cable company advertises for my plan, 200Kbp/s downlaod. 30kbp/s up, sucks ass but its 20$ a month for 40$ a month u get 1500 Kbp/s down and like 500 up
At 200kbps, you might as well look at dial-up...
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Too many uncontrollable variables that can affect the rate/speed.
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Too many uncontrollable variables that can affect the rate/speed.
Big whoop, advertise it as the minimum acceptable service level that you know you can provide then.
Originally posted by: cpmer
Its kind of funny how if you read the comments you get the impression that ATOT is against this yet the poll tells a different story. I think this kind of situation is common through out ATOT especially in P&N.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Want the bandwidth and guarantee, then pay for it.