Should colleges offer grade redemption?

[kyrax12]

Let's say a student did bad on a class and wants to retake it. (I know that some colleges won't let students retake a class if they gotten Cs). Do you think students should be able to?

The grades that they have gotten should be wipe completely from their transcript.

Here's the kicker though. The student would have to pay FULL price for the classes that they want to retake. Any fee waives should not be applied, if they want to take it again for a grade replacement.

I find that colleges could make more money this way and it would offer students more chances at redemption. The only reason why colleges don't accept more students in an impacted program, I think is because many of those students are getting financial aid and some sort.

I mean wouldn't it make sense that if your business is losing money, you would want more paying customers, right?

W's are also an issue in my opinion. If I paid for my classes, why the heck should I receive a penalty for dropping a class late in the semester?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Some colleges and universities do. It varies widely by institution.

 

[Aldon]

My institution has nothing against students retaking a course if they've gotten a C, especially when it's a course applicable towards your major. Advisers typically recommend retaking it. Personally, I think they should be able to, for free.

It's a critical situation. If your business is losing money, then price increases could make it worst as well, e.g. elasticity.

In what way are you paying for your classes? Generally it's the tuition you're paying for, not the classes themselves, or how does it work at the institution you're referring to? And yes, I don't think you should penalized for something you paid for and then didn't like, in that sense. That's nonsense.

 

[kyrax12]

My institution has nothing against students retaking a course if they've gotten a C, especially when it's a course applicable towards your major. Advisers typically recommend retaking it. Personally, I think they should be able to, for free.

It's a critical situation. If your business is losing money, then price increases could make it worst as well, e.g. elasticity.

In what way are you paying for your classes? Generally it's the tuition you're paying for, not the classes themselves, or how does it work at the institution you're referring to? And yes, I don't think you should penalized for something you paid for and then didn't like, in that sense. That's nonsense.

Some state universities charge their classes by units. Like 1 unit can be like $100.

 

[DaveSimmons]

College is heavily subsidized by both the state and federal government, so while you did pay for part of a class you did badly at, you also wasted other people's money. So free re-tries don't make sense to me. Put in the effort to get it right the first time, or pay for your mistake when you re-take the class.

 

[kyrax12]

College is heavily subsidized by both the state and federal government, so while you did pay for part of a class you did badly at, you also wasted other people's money. So free re-tries don't make sense to me. Put in the effort to get it right the first time, or pay for your mistake when you re-take the class.

Wait did you read the OP?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Wait did you read the OP?

Yes, I was disagreeing with this in Aldon's post:

Personally, I think they should be able to, for free.

... which I probably should have quoted

 

[Aaviel]

Let's say a student did bad on a class and wants to retake it. (I know that some colleges won't let students retake a class if they gotten Cs). Do you think students should be able to?

The grades that they have gotten should be wipe completely from their transcript.

Here's the kicker though. The student would have to pay FULL price for the classes that they want to retake. Any fee waives should not be applied, if they want to take it again for a grade replacement.

I find that colleges could make more money this way and it would offer students more chances at redemption. The only reason why colleges don't accept more students in an impacted program, I think is because many of those students are getting financial aid and some sort.

I mean wouldn't it make sense that if your business is losing money, you would want more paying customers, right?

W's are also an issue in my opinion. If I paid for my classes, why the heck should I receive a penalty for dropping a class late in the semester?

So those with affluent backgrounds who have parents to pay for classes would be given additional chances while those that are unable to afford it will be shit out of luck? This is a terrible idea.

 

[kyrax12]

So those with affluent backgrounds who have parents to pay for classes would be given additional chances while those that are unable to afford it will be shit out of luck? This is a terrible idea.

People with affluent backgrounds would probably get the jobs of their choice, no matter that kind of grades they get due to their connections.

 

[Aaviel]

People with affluent backgrounds would probably get the jobs of their choice, no matter that kind of grades they get due to their connections.

Replace affluent with "wealthy".

 

[kyrax12]

Replace affluent with "wealthy".

Same thing?

 

[NutBucket]

Huh? In my experience there's no reason I couldn't retake a class. However, both grades are still used to compute GPA.

 

[FleshLight]

Here in the UC system you can retake up to 4 C- or lowers and the grade you get will replace your previous grade.

 

[NutBucket]

You are right. I am mistaken. However the original grade is still in your transcript! That's how it worked. Been a few years since I had to worry about repeating a class!

 

[Imp]

If it's about making money for the school, why not just let bad students get in and never expel them. As long as they can pay, let them take the same course as many times as he/she wants until he/she finishes his/her degree/diploma. At least they'll obtain an actual goal (i.e. a degree) at the end rather than a bigger letter on a piece of paper that's only really useful for getting into another academic institution to get another piece of paper of higher value.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So those with affluent backgrounds who have parents to pay for classes would be given additional chances while those that are unable to afford it will be shit out of luck? This is a terrible idea.

What does affluence have to do with anything? Student loans aren't exactly hard to get, and for people willing to go for a less prestigious university, college isn't even *that* expensive. The idea that secondary education is some kind of right is silly enough; that students should have a right to get a second chance on their shitty performance in school is well beyond that.

 

[jagec]

People with affluent backgrounds would probably get the jobs of their choice, no matter that kind of grades they get due to their connections.

All the more reason NOT to let people pay to retake (and wipe the previous record).

 

[EagleKeeper]

Here in the UC system you can retake up to 4 C- or lowers and the grade you get will replace your previous grade.

When going to school, we had the policy that you could repeat/erase up to 3 classes with a D or lower. No limit on withdrawals

Given that it was $275/semester, one had to account for needed classes to keep up as well as the replacement class.
Summer and evening classes were very popular for make ups.

 

[Aaviel]

Same thing?

You should probably come back to the real world now... that's not how it works.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

At my University we already do that.

 

[Aaviel]

What does affluence have to do with anything? Student loans aren't exactly hard to get, and for people willing to go for a less prestigious university, college isn't even *that* expensive. The idea that secondary education is some kind of right is silly enough; that students should have a right to get a second chance on their shitty performance in school is well beyond that.

I'm going to guess that you've never been in the situation where you had no money to pay for college...

Also, I'm not agreeing that students should have a right to a second chance.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm going to guess that you've never been in the situation where you had no money to pay for college...

Also, I'm not agreeing that students should have a right to a second chance.

Yeah, FAFSA covered the first year and grants compensated the rest. Not my fault that I didn't go to USC to major in Pop Composition and blow $200,000.

 

[Aaviel]

Yeah, FAFSA covered the first year and grants compensated the rest. Not my fault that I didn't go to USC to major in Pop Composition and blow $200,000.

Grats it worked out for you then. I have $0 in college debt as well due to scholarships, but I know plenty of people that getting loans and such were issues for them.

 

[Rinaun]

Most CSUs and UCs already allow redoing grades. I redid Statistics at West Valley Community College; I'm a visual learner and this teacher did 100% audio lessons with her erasing the board every 3 minutes. I ended up just dropping once I knew I couldn't handle the way she was giving me the information and retook the class a year later.

On the college debt discussion.......I have some friends who are incredibly proud of the prestigious institutions they attended. They mention to me how much more accredited and that you need more requirements compared to a CSU to attend. Every time they mention how good their UC was compared to my CSU I also remind myself at how much more they paid for what amounts to a stamped paper to start ACTUAL career-level learning. It's even worse when these same people criticize students for going the community college route instead of blindly going into a 4 year university.

A degree at the end of the day is just a paper showing you're able to do things related to your major. Networking is a much large portion of career establishment.

......I know plenty of people that getting loans and such were issues for them.

Uh, you can get a loan pretty easy. Sounds like the people you know are either terrible at presenting themselves, or are retarded. I don't even have a credit line and I'm still able to get basic levels of student loans.

 

[Kaido]

Let's say a student did bad on a class and wants to retake it. (I know that some colleges won't let students retake a class if they gotten Cs). Do you think students should be able to?

The grades that they have gotten should be wipe completely from their transcript.

Here's the kicker though. The student would have to pay FULL price for the classes that they want to retake. Any fee waives should not be applied, if they want to take it again for a grade replacement.

I find that colleges could make more money this way and it would offer students more chances at redemption. The only reason why colleges don't accept more students in an impacted program, I think is because many of those students are getting financial aid and some sort.

I mean wouldn't it make sense that if your business is losing money, you would want more paying customers, right?

W's are also an issue in my opinion. If I paid for my classes, why the heck should I receive a penalty for dropping a class late in the semester?

Absolutely. My college has no limit on how many times you can retake a class. As long as you pay for it, you can take it again and the latest grade will be the one that counts. I've had to take some classes 3 or 4 times before I got a passing grade (for full price, each time), which stunk, but the classes were required and I had super bad ADD at the time due to undiagnosed food allergies. Without that, I never would have gotten through school. Made a BIG difference to me!

As far as withdrawls, it's probably because they want people to take school seriously and not just be able to drop out any time they want without any consequences. With that being said, I've had to drop classes for health reasons or for work schedule conflicts, so sometimes there's a valid excuse. I dunno. The landscape of education is changing with flexible classes, online learning, etc. I don't know if having a degree holds the same weight as it did in years prior (it seems better when combined with experience these days), but I still think education is very important.