Should conservative climate deniers be despised for the threat they pose...

[p0nd]

My only skepticism with global warming is that every activist I have ever seen can't explain the ice age. It's as if they believe everything with the earth is figured out and we know everything. How do we know that the earth isn't a constant loop of ice age when needed? How do we know the earth doesn't evolve as things such as CO2 emissions rise?

The Earth has been in an Ice Age since the beginning of the Pleistocene, about 2.5 million years ago. In formal science, an Ice Age is defined as a period where the Earth still has ice year round at the pole(s). Ice ages are punctuated by glacial minimums and maximums, where the extent of the ice waxes and wanes. Consensus among climate researchers is that variations in the Earth's orbit are the major *long-term* cause of Ice Ages and glacial growth/decay, these variations on cycles from 20,000 to 300,000 years. We are currently in a glacial minimum, the last maximum ended about ~20,000 BC and was followed by the dawn of civilization.

The earth has been both much warmer millions of years in the past, and also much colder. Life persisted. Nobody is really worried about the effects of man-made climate changes on life itself - it's the effect of these changes on ourselves, on society, on international politics. Coming out of the last glacial maximum, global climate has been relatively stable with a few minor fluxes like the medieval cold period or some volcanic eruptions. An unstable climate is what worries scientists, and the data is strongly suggesting that man made developments are warming the climate.

 

[LunarRay]

My question was whether you deserve it. My contention and the scientific research in neuroscience says that conservatives can't logically reason, that they live in an altered reality, that their delusional state makes the dangerous and that the more you show then how wrong they are using logic, the more convinced they become they are right. What a hideously disgusting condition in which to find oneself, no? What should functional people do with you? How are you different than a leper a thousand years ago? Right now there doesn't seem to be a cure for the conservative disease. The majority of the House is completely mad and we are going over a tiny cliff. There are many worse we have to face down the road.

You've used Global Warming while I'd have chosen 'Young Earth' believers to make the point...

But, interesting is the notion that I've not yet found a person who believes that the Earth, Galaxy and Universe are 6000 years old and also accepts Global Warming. They, for the most part, also deny Evolution even when the Pope and his various counterparts accept it. Well.... except for the bit about the Bird Flu Virus back under the Bush Administration where the question was asked, "how long before the virus mutates and kills humans." I guess they don't count that sort of evolutionary process.

To answer the greater question about how to deal with them I'd proffer... Nothing!

Who cares? Under one scenario life in the Universe is finite. Eventually the universe will cease to provide the essentials for any kind of life, carbon, silicone or otherwise. Under another the purpose of the universe will have met its design and the guy in the clouds will swoop down and end it all anyhow and since it is his design he can sort it all out to fit his needs. Either way I'm not concerned with melting ice and rising oceans destroying what it will or altering the conditions for our life needs to the point of extinction... they'll die also under either scenario. Heck, roaches need little to survive and the visitors to earth someday will happen upon them and remark how humans evolved to bugs. But, to determine the politics of the roach will be a study in itself... I suppose I could look to some here and understand how the roach may function with brains little oriented towards human pursuit and if I can I'm sure the visitors can and will too.... They'd better hurry though... IF M31 don't do us in our own star will... 5 billion years ain't long Cosmologically speaking.

Maybe we'll warp into a universe where time is irrelevant and the life forms there are pizza or chocolate malts... We'd simply eat the life and proclaim we are gods... and yummy.

 

[monovillage]

to life on earth?

What do you do when an millions of idiots are holding a gun to your head because they live in an alternate universe too afraid to face reality? What to do when a hallucinating psychopath tries to grab the wheel and drive over a cliff for safety?

Conservatives are bad bad poo poo.

Not only should they despised, they should also be treated for a mental illness according to Professor Norgaard of the University of Oregon.
http://uonews.uoregon.edu/archive/n...break-cultural-inertia-climate-change-respons

or Moonie can call for the death penalty like this professor did.

Prof Richard Parncutt says:

“I have always been opposed to the death penalty in all cases…”

“Even mass murderers [like Breivik] should not be executed, in my opinion.”

“GW deniers fall into a completely different category from Behring Breivik. They are already causing the deaths of hundreds of millions of future people. We could be speaking of billions, but I am making a conservative estimate.”

Consequences

If a jury of suitably qualified scientists estimated that a given GW denier had already, with high probability (say 95%), caused the deaths of over one million future people, then s/he would be sentenced to death. The sentence would then be commuted to life imprisonment if the accused admitted their mistake, demonstrated genuine regret, AND participated significantly and positively over a long period in programs to reduce the effects of GW (from jail) – using much the same means that were previously used to spread the message of denial. At the end of that process, some GW deniers would never admit their mistake and as a result they would be executed. Perhaps that would be the only way to stop the rest of them. The death penalty would have been justified in terms of the enormous numbers of saved future lives.

Damn, he already took it down. lol
http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/climatechange.html

web citation.
http://www.webcitation.org/6D8yy8NUJ

Damn nutcake climate alarmists.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

How do we know your head isn't a rabbit. How did you grow to adulthood not knowing how to think?

s: My only skepticism with global warming is that every activist I have ever seen can't explain the ice age.

M: Global warming is based on science. What activists think has nothing to do with anything, nothing at all.

s: It's as if they believe everything with the earth is figured out and we know everything.

M: One activist may know something, another nothing at all. They are irrelevant to the science. What they think they know or don't know doesn't mean f all.

s: How do we know that the earth isn't a constant loop of ice age when needed?

M: Jesus Christ, I'm still trying to figure if the Moon is green cheese.

s: How do we know the earth doesn't evolve as things such as CO2 emissions rise?

M: Don't ever ask me stuff like that if I'm holding a horse whip.

Thanks for proving my point with no legitimate argument/counter :awe:

 

[Londo_Jowo]

My question was whether you deserve it. My contention and the scientific research in neuroscience says that conservatives can't logically reason, that they live in an altered reality, that their delusional state makes the dangerous and that the more you show then how wrong they are using logic, the more convinced they become they are right. What a hideously disgusting condition in which to find oneself, no? What should functional people do with you? How are you different than a leper a thousand years ago? Right now there doesn't seem to be a cure for the conservative disease. The majority of the House is completely mad and we are going over a tiny cliff. There are many worse we have to face down the road.

Hmmmm, I've never seen anyone deserve one of your profanity filled tirades. I also find it quite disgusting that you treat people so rudely. Maybe one day you will outgrow all this anger and stop displaying this hate towards others that have a different view than your own.

 

[dank69]

Thanks for proving my point with no legitimate argument/counter :awe:

He did have a legitimate argument. You just don't understand it.

 

[dank69]

Hmmmm, I've never seen anyone deserve one of your profanity filled tirades. I also find it quite disgusting that you treat people so rudely. Maybe one day you will outgrow all this anger and stop displaying this hate towards others that have a different view than your own.

Conservative expressing the disgust he feels. Every post you make confirms Moonbeam's observations.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

He did have a legitimate argument. You just don't understand it.

Care to dumb it down to my level? Or a level that anyone else can understand a valid point? I understand you're trying to discern science vs theories of other concept - except you refuse to factor any other possible theories into them. The fact that this much ignorance is going into your thoughts shows how close minded you truly are.

p0nd is the only one that has yet to contribute any useful points.

 

[dank69]

Not only should they despised, they should also be treated for a mental illness according to Professor Norgaard of the University of Oregon.
http://uonews.uoregon.edu/archive/n...break-cultural-inertia-climate-change-respons

or Moonie can call for the death penalty like this professor did.


Damn, he already took it down. lol
http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/climatechange.html

web citation.
http://www.webcitation.org/6D8yy8NUJ

Damn nutcake climate alarmists.

So, in your opinion, if you don't want to believe something, all you have to do is find someone that takes it too far and then you can dismiss the entire thing. That sounds like a logical fallacy. We should invent a name for that type of fallacy.

 

[dank69]

Care to dumb it down to my level? Or a level that anyone else can understand a valid point? I understand you're trying to discern science vs theories of other concept - except you refuse to factor any other possible theories into them. The fact that this much ignorance is going into your thoughts shows how close minded you truly are.

p0nd is the only one that has yet to contribute any useful points.

I am more than happy to dumb it down to your level. Activists are not the same thing as scientists. There. That was easy.

Unfortunately for you, and many other conservatives, any scientist that evaluates data and comes to the conclusion that man does have an effect on global climate conditions is automatically now considered an activist.

 

[dank69]

Sorry clownshoes, I am not the one that is mentally defective, or the "famously known idiot" you have those sole honors. Don't get me wrong, I am glad you post here though, it's fun to laugh at you.

You mock that which you do not understand.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I am more than happy to dumb it down to your level. Activists are not the same thing as scientists. There. That was easy.

Unfortunately for you, and many other conservatives, any scientist that evaluates data and comes to the conclusion that man does have an effect on global climate conditions is automatically now considered an activist.

*sigh* We can sit here and say man plays a factor, my question is simply in relation to the ice age. To simply put it: What is to say (that much like humans) - that the earth doesn't evolve and go into an ice age in order to evolve/adapt as needed?

I'm not here to argue against man playing a factor - no one in their right mind would other than the amount/degree to which a human does.

 

[dank69]

*sigh* We can sit here and say man plays a factor, my question is simply in relation to the ice age. To simply put it: What is to say (that much like humans) - that the earth doesn't evolve and go into an ice age in order to evolve/adapt as needed?

I'm not here to argue against man playing a factor - no one in their right mind would other than the amount/degree to which a human does.

I know exactly what you are saying. What I don't understand is why you think creating a new "ice age" is acceptable.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Conservative expressing the disgust he feels. Every post you make confirms Moonbeam's observations.

So you approve of his profanity laced tirades, so sad.

 

[dank69]

So you approve of his profanity laced tirades, so sad.

Nothing in my post implies that. Perhaps you can explain your logic in detail for me?

 

[Moonbeam]

Hmmmm, I've never seen anyone deserve one of your profanity filled tirades. I also find it quite disgusting that you treat people so rudely. Maybe one day you will outgrow all this anger and stop displaying this hate towards others that have a different view than your own.

What have you ever seen? You are a conservative with a brain defect. You can't think so you can't do the kind of reasoning we refer to as seeing. You are blinded by your ego, unable to look at things that bother it. You are a person with a religion and as blind as a religious person can be. My only question is, since you can't be reached by reason and you definitely and obviously can't, should you be despised. Suppose, for example, that one of your common delusions, that Republicans are fiscally conservative and Democrats have a gene for spending money were true, and Democrats were going to bankrupt the country, would you think them deserving of contempt, my dear, rational, non profane, polite dear friend?

And be sure not to get carried away. The data shows that Republicans ruin the economy and it works better under Democrats, not to mention the fact that no gene for spending money is scientifically proven like the fact of the existence of a conservative brain defect and all those implications we actually observe in conservatives, and even symbolized by their November implosion at the polls. You can't see you f's are sick and that makes you dangerous.

But since you are actually functionally brain dead, should I hold you at fault with all the derision and contempt the guilty deserve, at least according to how conservatives reason. You guys are the ones who are big on personal responsibility, and obviously so since you have none of that but lots and lots of self hate.

By the way, that's where the anger comes from you imagine I'm directing at you. My stand has always been that the brain dead need love. But hey, you crucified the last guy who did.

 

[Moonbeam]

You mock that which you do not understand.

Yes, he's really got his work cut out. By the time he gets done he'll be mock turtle soup.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What have you ever seen? You are a conservative with a brain defect. You can't think so you can't do the kind of reasoning we refer to as seeing. You are blinded by your ego, unable to look at things that bother it. You are a person with a religion and as blind as a religious person can be. My only question is, since you can't be reached by reason and you definitely and obviously can't, should you be despised. Suppose, for example, that one of your common delusions, that Republicans are fiscally conservative and Democrats have a gene for spending money were true, and Democrats were going to bankrupt the country, would you think them deserving of contempt, my dear, rational, non profane, polite dear friend?

And be sure not to get carried away. The data shows that Republicans ruin the economy and it works better under Democrats, not to mention the fact that no gene for spending money is scientifically proven like the fact of the existence of a conservative brain defect and all those implications we actually observe in conservatives, and even symbolized by their November implosion at the polls. You can't see you f's are sick and that makes you dangerous.

But since you are actually functionally brain dead, should I hold you at fault with all the derision and contempt the guilty deserve, at least according to how conservatives reason. You guys are the ones who are big on personal responsibility, and obviously so since you have none of that but lots and lots of self hate.

By the way, that's where the anger comes from you imagine I'm directing at you. My stand has always been that the brain dead need love. But hey, you crucified the last guy who did.

Look at you, foaming at the mouth and blathering on and on about nothing. One day you will grow up and let your anger go.

 

[dank69]

Look at you, foaming at the mouth and blathering on and on about nothing. One day you will grow up and let your anger go.

Look at you, blathering about nothing.

 

[Moonbeam]

Look at you, foaming at the mouth and blathering on and on about nothing. One day you will grow up and let your anger go.

Look at you proving everything I just said. How do you stand your own opaque ineptitude? I know you want me to feel pain because you're a monster and want me to hurt like you do, but I already done lots of that. We're actually brothers. I just know a lot more about myself than you know about you. That's why you clowns despise me. You just didn't count on it being reflected back. The ugly you see in me is yourself. Ain't I a beauty?

So what do we do with folk who are despicable in their own eyes. How do we let them in of the fact that they puke at the sight of themselves? Would calling them everything they really feel about themselves help?

Think about it, because you are in serious trouble. You're lucky you have me as a friend.

 

[Ketchup]

Look at you proving everything I just said. How do you stand your own opaque ineptitude? <snip>

Don't you have anything better to do?

 

[Moonbeam]

Look at you, blathering about nothing.

He has a brain defect and deep down he knows it. It makes him upset and incoherent. The bad news is that while he hopes I am going to help him, I can't. He has to help himself and we were all told we are too worthless to do that. I'm wondering if knowing how despicable he is would help. The reason that conservatives are so despicable is precisely because they are in denial of that fact. So maybe if he just has to face that night and day the need to deny will go away. Conservatives are despicable and there's no getting around no matter how hard they try. They are poisoned inside, so maybe they need some immunity, more of their own poison. We have to figure out something or they will kill us all out of their own unconscious need to destroy themselves.

 

[Ketchup]

He has a brain defect and deep down he knows it. It makes him upset and incoherent. The bad news is that while he hopes I am going to help him, I can't. He has to help himself and we were all told we are too worthless to do that. I'm wondering if knowing how despicable he is would help. The reason that conservatives are so despicable is precisely because they are in denial of that fact. So maybe if he just has to face that night and day the need to deny will go away. Conservatives are despicable and there's no getting around no matter how hard they try. They are poisoned inside, so maybe they need some immunity, more of their own poison. We have to figure out something or they will kill us all out of their own unconscious need to destroy themselves.

Stop referring to people who disagree with you as having brain defects. You have an opinion. He has an opinion.

 

[Moonbeam]

Don't you have anything better to do?

What is better than trying to save the world from fools, not that you'd know. I do have other things I do, however. I'm curious, for example, why Andromeda, with a trillion suns to our 200 to 400 billion, actually has approximately the same mass. I'm curious also as to how to make olives since the last time I tried they got moldy. And it's just this kind of loss of heritage that makes me interested in knapping flint.

 

[Moonbeam]

Stop referring to people who disagree with you as having brain defects. You have an opinion. He has an opinion.

Your opinion has been disproved by science. I simply use the word defect because the differences in conservative brains are disastrous at this point in history, sort of like a fatal mutation, or gills for a snake on land.